combined bitrate? exceeding?

[robvs]

putting an mpg onto a dvd...
i tried to load it right onto tmpgenc author, but it gives me a bunch of errors....GOP is too big, bitrate is messed up, frame rate is screwey.....so, i loaded it into tmpgenc and fixed the audio and such. tried again, same errors.

than, like a good boy, i went searching for a solution, so i reencoded the mpeg with tmpgenc.....fixing all of the problems.

now, i loaded it into tmpgenc without a problem, i added a simple menu and began to start the author process.

problem is, now my "combined" bitrate is exceeding the allowance for a standard dvd and the file is too big. how do i fix these, it's driving me crazy. i thought i already did.


Rob

[Baldrick]

what is the video source bitrate?
what is the audio source bitrate?

[Gillies]

the total bitrate needs to not go over 9848kbit. so if ur audio bitrate is 384kbps then the video cant go over 9464kbps. (9848 - 384=9464). even if ur encoding in vbr the video cant ever peak over 9848. so when ur encoding take the audio bitrate setting into account and subtract it from 9848 to get ur max video bitrate setting (9848 -audio bitrate = max video bitrate). hope that makes sense.

[robvs]

okay, now should i encode and change these settings from the original file or from the new file that has the high bitrate??? i guess it doesn't matter, right?

now, more importantly, why is the file too big to put on disk??? it's a standard size telesync, from a kvcd. i've fit several vcd's onto one dvd before, why is this one so large? dvdshrink says it will have to be compressed to 68%...this doesn't make sense. is there another way to change the size of it, maybe something i overlooked in the encoding process?


also, dvdshrink says that the file is NOT ENCRYPTED- as they shouldn't be, however, when attempting to create the new compressed files, about two minutes into the process it tells me that it can't decrypt the files for an unknown reason. wtf?

i know i've asked some new questions here, i guess if no one answers them i should repost somewhere else- is that kosher?

[Gillies]

u'll need to encode from the original file again with the settings modified. the size is most likely caused in the encoding process. i'v had files come out too big and instead of re-encoding them i use clonedvd. dvdshrink will give the same results. if u can use dvdshrink to shrink down the file, then that will lower the bitrate to an acceptable and should come out fine.

dvdshrink says that the file is NOT ENCRYPTED- as they shouldn't be, however, when attempting to create the new compressed files, about two minutes into the process it tells me that it can't decrypt the files for an unknown reason. wtf?

it could be that dvdshrink doesnt like mpeg files. it probably wants vob files. if that wont work, try find an mpeg transcoder that will. if not, re-encode.
update: just a thought the dvdshrink process may be failing because of the high bitrate. dvdshrink may be expecting the bitrate to not go over 9848kbps and around 2 minutes in the video may peak and go over 9848 and stop the process.

[robvs]

i'm not sure how you bypass the encoding process when we're dealing with a mpeg file here, and go right to clonedvd?? clonedvd doesn't accept mpeg files, neither does dvdshrink.



i've read several guides, nothing seems to be fulproof here. let me know if i'm completely off here. pretty much what i've been doing is taking an mpg file...whether it be downloaded as an mpeg or taken off a vcd/svcd with isobuster. from there i've been de-multiplexig in tmpgenc. i've been changing the audio to the correct settings with ssrc within tmpgenc. then i've been joining the files back together. from there i've been patching the header with dvdpatch. then i've been opening tmpgenc author and tried to load the new mpg. usually i encounter some sort of problem, and seem to have a very difficult time troubleshooting.
(the most recent problem has been made evident)
can someone point me in the right direction of a different guide if i'm going about this the wrong way.

seems as though the mpg's i'm getting are mostly kvcd, xvid or svcd- at least that's how their labeled during download.


why isn't there a simple one step program that just converts everything to dvd. this is crazy.

[Gillies]

u seem to be doing way too many steps. if ur converting from xvid to dvd, u only really need 2 programs. tmpgenc and tmpgenc dvd author (and virtual dub for xvids with vbr audio). if u'v taken the mpegs off a vcd then u should be able to load them straight into dvd author, possibly even as a .dat file. that's if they're svcd. not sure with vcd cause they're mpeg1, though dvd players usually have a mpeg1 decoder built in for vcd, so it could work.

[robvs]

so if i try to load an mpg into dvd author, what should be the steps that i follow if i get an error saying the gop is too long and the framerate is off?

[jimmalenko]

If you load an MPEG into TMPGEnc DVD Author and it gives you errors, then you need to re-encode with TMPGEnc (The encoder version) to eradicate these errors..

[robvs]

thanks guys, can any of you lead me to a guide which will take me through the encoding process step by step with tmpgenc (encoder) each setting to make sure that i can burn to dvd without a hitch.

my dvd creations seem to be hit or miss, probably because i have been going about this all the wrong way.


i will be upgrading to tmpgenc plus (the encoder) tomorrow morning, i don't know if the interface is different from the trial.


searching around to look for a way to do this is essentially impossible, why do all of these guides seem to have bass ackwards ways to get the same results. why has no guide ever just said" usetmpgenc to encode"

[robvs]

holy moly, why on earth hadn't i upgraded to tmpgenc plus. it's actually very user friendly.

nevermind, need no further help!

wow


Rob