Is Prodisc better than...

[aanaravs]

Since Prodisc and Ricoh are both considered second class media and prodisc is generally considered to be the best of the second class media, so is prodisc better than ricoh?

[888888]

Since Prodisc and Ricoh are both considered second class media and prodisc is generally considered to be the best of the second class media, so is prodisc better than ricoh?

By Ricoh, do you mean Ricohjpn media code for +R? or Ritek in general including -R. For +R, I believe Richohjpn has a better reputation. Never tried Prodisc +R's myself.

[aanaravs]

Yes, I did mean the Ricohjpn ones. I did get them when I got TDK+Rs.

[chas0039]

It all depends on the burner and the firmware. I have seen scans for Ricoh that are better than the S03s and also I have seen worse. S03s seem to have Kprobe errors consistently in the 60s but they pass the CDSpeeds transfer test all the way up to 14X (whatever that means).

I also have never determined clearly that there is a quantitative benefit to getting a Kprobe error rate that is 30 lower. If it plays perfectly it plays. Given the price of Prodisc it seems to be the leader in overall value, but for my recorders I would buy Ricoh if it was the same price.

Also given the uncertainty of what Prodisc might be shipping it is important to clarify that this pertains to S03s only. Also I haven't seen anyone do tests on the 8X -Rs yet.

[DupMJ23]

I noticed that both Rima and Supermedia store took away their S03 media code on the 4x injek printable dvd-r. Does anyone have any experience with the one they are selling currently? If not is there anywhere you can buy the S03 ones still?

[chas0039]

Supermedia store has had communication with Prodisc and they say they might or might not be shipping S03 or they might be shipping MCC media and we should be happy with what we get. I spoke with Rima and they said they were not sure of what they were getting either. Their 1631 media was supposed to be MCC but one poster said this week they just got S03.

I am staying away from Prodisc until they are willing to give a straight answer. Good luck, nothing seems to be assured anymore with them.

What a great way to ruin a good reputation.

[DupMJ23]

Thanks for the quick info
I guess i'll order some and see what happens

[888888]

Supermedia store has had communication with Prodisc and they say they might or might not be shipping S03 or they might be shipping MCC media and we should be happy with what we get. I spoke with Rima and they said they were not sure of what they were getting either. Their 1631 media was supposed to be MCC but one poster said this week they just got S03.

I am staying away from Prodisc until they are willing to give a straight answer. Good luck, nothing seems to be assured anymore with them.

What a great way to ruin a good reputation.

Chas, I don't understand your position on this Prodisc\MCC issue. It is not like they're substituting a WORSE brand. They are throwing in a few highly compatible 1st class media spindles in with their other good stuff. How is that "ruining their reputation"? IMO, that is actually quite a classy thing to do. Most other companies often end up switching to crappier media codes, ie. Memorex to CMC and even Maxell to Ritek.

[Treebeard]

Supermedia store has had communication with Prodisc and they say they might or might not be shipping S03 or they might be shipping MCC media and we should be happy with what we get. I spoke with Rima and they said they were not sure of what they were getting either. Their 1631 media was supposed to be MCC but one poster said this week they just got S03.

I am staying away from Prodisc until they are willing to give a straight answer. Good luck, nothing seems to be assured anymore with them.

What a great way to ruin a good reputation.

Chas, I don't understand your position on this Prodisc\MCC issue. It is not like they're substituting a WORSE brand. They are throwing in a few highly compatible 1st class media spindles in with their other good stuff. How is that "ruining their reputation"? IMO, that is actually quite a classy thing to do. Most other companies often end up switching to crappier media codes, ie. Memorex to CMC and even Maxell to Ritek.

Agreed, I have been using Verbatim 4x -R discs which are MCC code and have nothing but good resluts. I would be happy if prodisc were So3 or MCC codes.

[noki]

Chas, I don't understand your position on this Prodisc\MCC issue. It is not like they're substituting a WORSE brand. They are throwing in a few highly compatible 1st class media spindles in with their other good stuff

I would think it is WORSE for some users; a few posters here have never had burn/playback issues w_S03, but now they are experiencing it occassionally with the MCC ProDiscs. Others of course are enjoying the MCC just like the S03.

[chas0039]

My position is simple. I want what I order and I would appreciate a straight answer from the company when they start to substitute. I am not angry at Prodisc because you are right; for most people the substitution is an improvement. However, as has been noted, for others it is worse.

When Prodisc sends out a statement that tells me nothing about what they are doing and gives me no clue as to what their plans are to clarify what they will ship with which media code I have no faith that they will not stiff me with WORSE media in the future. They little dance about Verbatum sounds like crap. The companies that distribute their media don't like this behavior either. I realize that both Rima and SupermediaStore stand behind what they sell and I would be perfectly happy to order Prodiscs coded as MCC if that was what I ordered. In fact I was told by Rima that the 1631s I just received would be MCC, because that was what they had been led to believe. Guess what...S03.

I have suffered no damage as yet so I have no axe to grind. I just don't want to be surprised each time I open a box of discs. I also do not want to be stuck returning something, at my cost, because it is not what I ordered. On a scale of 1-10 this is a 3 as far as problems, not a big deal. But it is enough to keep me on the sidelines until things go back to normal and Prodisc goes back to doing what they had a perfectly good reputation for doing; providing consistently what the customer expected. That was what killed Ritek's great reputation.

[Sam Ontario]

Since Prodisc and Ricoh are both considered second class media and prodisc is generally considered to be the best of the second class media, so is prodisc better than ricoh?

The prodisc 4x -R (S03) I burnt cannot be played on some DVD players. Ricohs -R and all other +Rs no problem playback at all!

[888888]

My position is simple. I want what I order and I would appreciate a straight answer from the company when they start to substitute. I am not angry at Prodisc because you are right; for most people the substitution is an improvement. However, as has been noted, for others it is worse.

When Prodisc sends out a statement that tells me nothing about what they are doing and gives me no clue as to what their plans are to clarify what they will ship with which media code I have no faith that they will not stiff me with WORSE media in the future. They little dance about Verbatum sounds like crap. The companies that distribute their media don't like this behavior either. I realize that both Rima and SupermediaStore stand behind what they sell and I would be perfectly happy to order Prodiscs coded as MCC if that was what I ordered. In fact I was told by Rima that the 1631s I just received would be MCC, because that was what they had been led to believe. Guess what...S03.

I have suffered no damage as yet so I have no axe to grind. I just don't want to be surprised each time I open a box of discs. I also do not want to be stuck returning something, at my cost, because it is not what I ordered. On a scale of 1-10 this is a 3 as far as problems, not a big deal. But it is enough to keep me on the sidelines until things go back to normal and Prodisc goes back to doing what they had a perfectly good reputation for doing; providing consistently what the customer expected. That was what killed Ritek's great reputation.

I see your point. Manufacturers have to be consistent with their media codes.

[chas0039]

888888:

Thanks, it is nice to have an opinion without being dumped on. It is very considerate of you.

Here is the last detail that will probably drive me to TY. I just burned a few of the S03s I recieved (two different burners) and they all, so far, have 100% more PI errors than the prior batch. The burn on the Liteon 812S was quadruple the number of errors that I usually see. This is within playback range so I am content (at the price), but it is one more thing to make me concerned. Hopefully they won't degrade in quality any more. They are were such a great working quality disc.

[aanaravs]

I have also gone back to TY and returned my prodisc batch. Too many problems, too little time.

[bruceb3]

I just received a spindle of 50 Prodisc Inkjet hub printable disks. Out of curiosity, I used DVD Identifier to check them. To my pleasant surprise, they id'ed as MCC (Mitsubishi). The Imation disks I was using were id'ed as CMC. I've burned 12 disks from the Prodisc spindle and havn't had a problem. I read in the forum that Prodisc DVD-R's are 2nd grade disks. Maybe they were, but they aren't now (and you can't beat 59 cents a piece from www.americal.com!). I'm also really amazed how nice my labels come out printed directly on the disks with my new Epson R200.

[888888]

I've burned 12 disks from the Prodisc spindle and havn't had a problem. I read in the forum that Prodisc DVD-R's are 2nd grade disks. Maybe they were, but they aren't now

12 discs does not mean much in the world of DVDR quality. I have burned more than 12 ProdiscS03 discs without problems but I wouldn't call them 1st class media because of it.

(and you can't beat 59 cents a piece from www.americal.com!).

WHOA! Yes you can. Try RIMA.com which has Prodisc 4x IJ Printable for 44 cents each including shipping. Their 8x media is also cheaper.

[DupMJ23]

Is there a good TY inkjet printable dvd-r since prodisc is questionable on their media codes?
Or any other inkjet printables anyone reccommends?