Prodisc S03 Media Code Alert. (MCC?)

[noki]

my order for 100 -R 4x inkjet printables from supermediastore will come in Monday and I will report my findings.

got them yesterday, they are MCC 01 RG20, burned backed up DVD w_NEC 1300a @4x. it burned well, plays back. Only negative is KProbe's PI was higher than old SO3's (average was about 103 for MCC and 50 for SO3)). PIF was 0.70 average (old SO3's was 0.69).

the finish on the dvdrs' look fine, as well as the dye. So looks good so far.

[Bodyslide]

Received my order of 200 (white inkjet printable)from Supermedia on Friday, I have already burned 30 dvd-r's all at 6x on my Pioneer 107. I also have viewed 3 movies that I backed up. So far the new media code seems to be working with my setup. I also have printed covers on all of them with my Epson 900, and no issues with playback on both my DVD players and my PS2.

[Stuporman]

I have a bad feeling that MCC and my Pioneer may not mix.

Same here, I have a 107. I'm burning coasters and the discs that arent coasters have huge amounts of read errors which is why im having a lot of playback issues.
Thats why I returned them today. I'm going to get Ritek Ridata G04 silver matte finish, I just wish that they would bring the Ritek Ridata branded back, those were the best discs I ever owned *sniff*.

And to be honest, the only reason I bought the Prodiscs were because they were "Pioneer Certified". Now when ever I see Pioneer Certified, I'm staying away.

[DVDDave]

maybe a dumb question, but, if you burn a disc and have no read errors, tested wih dvdinfopro, but high numbers on k probe, how bad is that??

btw, i am using 8X MCC prodisc with a 812@832

[noki]

but high numbers on k probe, how bad is that??

as other posters (lordsmurf, etc.) have stated sometimes it means nothing. just numbers. high/low numbers does not necessarily predict if a dvdr will play (ie w/o errors) well on any given set of playback equipment.

[chas0039]

chas: So there's so3s now, but they're lower quality?

I have burned 100 S03s before this problem and they all scaned with PI errors in the 40-60 range. The last batch of S03s I got (that were supposed to be MCC in the blue wrapper) scaned with PI errors in the 60-90 range. Interestingly when I burned the new ones at 2X the errors dropped 60% and when I went to burn the old S03s at 2X the errors stayed the same. There are comparable error changes for PIF as well.

So in some ways, at the rated speed, these new S03s are inferior but at lower speeds they are better. Go figure. As to the question of whether the S03s are the same disc as the MCC ID code I would be very suprised. Since they both burn with the same write strategy they should turn out the same results on a 107 drive. More than one person has reported problems with MCC and not with S03.

I emailed Pioneer USA yesterday and they said they are looking into their "Certification" of Prodisc media based on the substitution and confusion they are causing. Hard to say what will happen but maybe they have enough clout to get us an answer.

For those of you who are looking for an alternative you might want to check out Ritek G05s. Only a few bucks more and their scans look fantastic, at least on a Pioneer 107D.

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=87408&page=4

[stimpy1864]

I just got a 100 disc pack of the MCC 4x prodiscs this is my first venture into prodisc so I can't compare to the older stuff but I haven't had any problems with them in my Pio 107. I have burned about a dozen and at 4x I get very low PI and PO at 6x it starts getting a little high but they still play just fine better then I expected for a sub 50 cent injet hub printable disc.

[chas0039]

Just when S03 is starting to become scarce I have now seen 2 reports from disappointed users who have ordered Prodisc -R 8X expecting S04 and have gotten F01, whatever that is. Needless to say they are not happy campers. I have seen the scans and they are not good.

[lordsmurf]

Is there an S04?
Or is that just somebody's dumb assumption (we all know what ASS-U-ME means).

F01? Isn't that the (+) code?

Anyway, I'll likely test some in the future.

[jawgee]

I decided to not take the chance with this whole Prodisc controversy. Instead, I ordered the Linkyo 4x DVD-R white hub printables from Supermediastore. I should get them on Tuesday of next week & will post back my burning experiences.

Thanks,
jawgee

[Gregg]

Hi,

I burned 100 of the 'new' Prodiscs without any problem so far. They burn at 4X both on my Pioneer 107 and Sony DRU500AX. Tested several of them with DVDINFOPro no mistakes. No complaints from my customers so far.

Enjoy!

[dfluke]

I've burned about 8 of these MCC 01RG20 and I am sad to report that 2 of them failed verification with NERO. I then did a scan with DVDInfoPro and each of them had 1 bad sector. The strange part is that the bad sector was at the begining of the DVD, NOT at the end.

I am not a happy camper!

[jawgee]

It's this kind of inconsistency that's scared me away from Prodisc for right now. I've burned 200 "old" Prodiscs & only had 2 coasters (one had a nick in the surface before the burn & the other skipped at the end of the movie), so I want to stay loyal to them, but I don't want to risk the time involved with being a guinea pig.

The printable Linkyos had great reviews on Supermediastore's site & they are cheap & print to the hub. The only other print-to-the-hub discs out there that I would buy would be the BeAll discs since they provided awesome burns for me in the past. Their print surface took too long to dry, however, compared to the Prodiscs.

jawgee

[chas0039]

Is there an S04?
Or is that just somebody's dumb assumption (we all know what ASS-U-ME means).

F01? Isn't that the (+) code?

Anyway, I'll likely test some in the future.

The Prodisc -R codes are F01 G02 S03 and S04 and have been for a while. The +R codes are R01 R02 and R03. +RW codes are W01 and W02. The -RW codes are DW04 DW06 and DVDRW.

[chas0039]

It's this kind of inconsistency that's scared me away from Prodisc for right now. I've burned 200 "old" Prodiscs & only had 2 coasters (one had a nick in the surface before the burn & the other skipped at the end of the movie), so I want to stay loyal to them, but I don't want to risk the time involved with being a guinea pig.

The printable Linkyos had great reviews on Supermediastore's site & they are cheap & print to the hub. The only other print-to-the-hub discs out there that I would buy would be the BeAll discs since they provided awesome burns for me in the past. Their print surface took too long to dry, however, compared to the Prodiscs.

jawgee

Could you share the media code?

[jawgee]

The media code for my old Prodiscs is "ProdiscS03". I don't know what the media code is for the Linkyos as I won't receive them until Tuesday of next week.

Thanks,
jawgee

[chas0039]

The media code for my old Prodiscs is "ProdiscS03". I don't know what the media code is for the Linkyos as I won't receive them until Tuesday of next week.

Thanks,
jawgee

Thanks, I'll check back. If you are able to do Kprobe it would be interesting to see. I can't recall where but someone reported some half decent media. With house brands you never know.

[SPIFF-DVD]

Is there an S04?
Or is that just somebody's dumb assumption (we all know what ASS-U-ME means).

F01? Isn't that the (+) code?

Anyway, I'll likely test some in the future.

The Prodisc -R codes are F01 G02 S03 and S04 and have been for a while. The +R codes are R01 R02 and R03. +RW codes are W01 and W02. The -RW codes are DW04 DW06 and DVDRW.

8X -R IDs i have seen: S04, F01, and the MCC. 8X +R is R03.

[chas0039]

For any of you who want to see some Prodisc F01 8X scans look here:
http://www.supermediaforum.com/showthread.php?t=249

These are really going to drive the nail in the Prodisc coffin.

[kamuixtv]

I have a bad feeling that MCC and my Pioneer may not mix.

Same here, I have a 107. I'm burning coasters and the discs that arent coasters have huge amounts of read errors which is why im having a lot of playback issues.
Thats why I returned them today. I'm going to get Ritek Ridata G04 silver matte finish, I just wish that they would bring the Ritek Ridata branded back, those were the best discs I ever owned *sniff*.

And to be honest, the only reason I bought the Prodiscs were because they were "Pioneer Certified". Now when ever I see Pioneer Certified, I'm staying away.

Sounds true with S03...I can only burn 2GB files when burning on 2x with my Pioneer104, the rest of the files seems like a "ghost" file...I will try 1x later.

[lordsmurf]

So far, I'm seeing the "prodisc" problem as being more of a problem with unofficial firmwares and/or Pioneer 8x drives.

I'd like to see a list of drives/firmwares that are having issues.

[aanaravs]

LiteOn 812s
NEC 3500AG v2.17
Pioneer AO5
Plextor 708x
Optorite DD0201

I have tried this media in all the above drives and still the results are crappy every time.

[Shudder]

So, seems like the 8x ones are poo, but the MCC ones are still fine.

I haven't had any issues yet that I could tell, though I don't have a kprobe device.

[lordsmurf]

LiteOn 812s
NEC 3500AG v2.17
Pioneer AO5
Plextor 708x
Optorite DD0201

I have tried this media in all the above drives and still the results are crappy every time.

Well, I have an A05 in my primary, 1.00 firmware, never changed it, and these PRODISC work flawlessly in this drive. Zero coasters on it.

[samijubal]

I finally got some S04s from Rima last time. Am I going to have problems burning these at 2X on an LG 4120B? I'm doing a bunch of stuff to send to other people and don't want disc problems. Burned 500 of the S03s and never had a problem.

[aanaravs]

Do the Prodiscs with the MCC code work(these are the white inkjet printables that I got from SMS?

[nufan292]

I haven't had any problems with the MCC Prodiscs, yet. I have tried about five discs from two spindles. I'm using a NEC 2500A with hacked f/w. The K-probe scans looked good (peaked pi 120ish, avg pi 33ish), and so did the transfer test and surface scan with Nero Tools.

[samijubal]

I see people posting bad results on the F01s. Has anyone tested the S04s?

[DVDDave]

i just bought 100 of the white ink jet printable prodiscs. 8X -R and all are MCC. near perfect burns so far on my 812, and 812@832. just my 2 cents.

[Bullworth]

Got a 50 pack of MCC. So far I've burned about half and no problems. Best disks I've bought so far. My only other experience was with Ritak and I was very happy with those. This really sucks though. I saw on the Meritline and Supermedia store how these discs were Pioneer Certified and two days before the purchase I ran into this post. At least I haven't had any problems so far, just hope Pioneer clears this up before there are too many on the market.
Are there any utilities to test discs with on Pioneer drives? So far the ones I've seen are brand specific.