Prodisc S03 Media Code Alert. (MCC?)

[aanaravs]

Those of you that have both S03s and MCC Prodiscs, do the MCCs feel thicker (sturdier) than the S03s, physically?

No. They feel about the same.

[SuperMedia]

We offer 60 day money back guarantee to all Prodisc DVD media.

[chas0039]

As good as the MCC media is supposed to be I am dissapointed that Prodisc has changed from the S03 code and is unable to tell us what we will get in the future. It was fun while it lasted but I thing I will follow Rima's advice and stick with TY for all future purchases. They never stick you with anyone else's media and they are now priced where Ritek was just a few months ago.

[BOGUSID]

10 disks and no coasters, so far. They do seem sturdier than the old s03 Prodisk. I'm glad I have them now.
Bogusid

[freestyler]

I placed an order for some Prodiscs (Part No. 1631-50) from Rima hoping they are MCC media code so I can test them out.

I've used MCC Verbatims in the past with success and I've gone through about 150 S03s with 2 coasters only (first 2 discs, updated firmware to fix).

[chas0039]

I placed an order for some Prodiscs (Part No. 1631-50) from Rima hoping they are MCC media code so I can test them out.

I spoke with Randy at Rima on Monday and as of that date the 1632s were still S03s and the 1631s were now MCC. I got one of each. He indicated that he had no information as to future shipments so I should check before I ordered.

[Alan69]

Those MCC codes are supposed to be used for Verbatim branded DVD only but now they have Verbatim's authorization to use those MCC codes for some Prodisc DVD media. Since MCC coded stampler and dye are made by Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation which has good reputation in the industry, the discs with MCC codes have the same good quality and compatibility as other discs, probably better. For new shippments coming into USA, he said those discs might still have MCC codes but he can't guarantee that. So in my opinion, if you got MCC coded discs, you are lucky.

After filtering corporate self promoting doublespeak, anyone else read this part as "Subbing these MCC discs as Prodisc is going to make us a ton of extra money, since we already had them laying around or got the materials dirt cheap. Hot damn! The cost savings will buy my new house!" -- Prodisc President ? LOL

Not that it's particularly wrong as long as some of the outlets are willing to take any returns necessary, but it does risk the brand a bit if poeple don't like them. Sort of silly thing to do for a solid performer..

[lordsmurf]

I don't know what all the hullabaloo is about. I have 400 PRODISCS03 here, and about 200 MCCRG20 here (Verbatim branded, but same thing). I think the MCC error rate is better than the S03 media, but they're both top quality media. Buy them, and then you get what you get. Either S03 at a great price, or MCC at an excellent price. End of discussion.

Just be glad it's not PRINCO or LD or CMC!

[freestyler]

Just got my order of 1631 Part No. 50 Pack Prodiscs from Rima. Still S03s.

[chas0039]

Nuts! I ordered those just to see what the MCC was like. Now I'll have a bunch of shiny tops around collecting fingerprints.

[madvideos]

i got the thermal top prodisc ProdiscS03 and these are a trip.. my pioneer is choking them out at 25 minutes for only half a dvd.. in other words its just video footage, Now my plextor is writing full dvd's in 15 minutes.. you do the math. I am firmware update round the board. Any suggestions?

[lordsmurf]

i got the thermal top prodisc ProdiscS03 and these are a trip.. my pioneer is choking them out at 25 minutes for only half a dvd.. in other words its just video footage, Now my plextor is writing full dvd's in 15 minutes.. you do the math. I am firmware update round the board. Any suggestions?

Not DMA mode.

[chas0039]

Just be glad it's not PRINCO or LD or CMC!

This week....

[madvideos]

ok some of the prodiscs are just starting to come back.. bad.. skips and no disk errors... this is not good at all. I have just used 400 riteks and no problems.. I am sure it is the writer, the ones that are coming back are the ones I burned on the pioneer dvr107. jeebus I don't need this shit again!

[madvideos]

ok I updated to 118 on the pioneer.. hope this works.. only time will tell. I know when I started to use riteks I had to update my pioneer and my plextor.. things were smooth from then on.. hope this is the key. Lordsmurf.. what you mean no dma, can I turn this off in xp? I notice it is locked on dma in xp. Maybe im a dumb ass..lol

[lordsmurf]

No, it NEEDS to be in DMA and not PIO.

[Stuporman]

I bought "Prodisc Pioneer certified 4x DVD-R Matte Finish in cake box" from supermediastore. I recieved them today.




Here is what DVD Identifier told me:
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:MCC 01RG20 ]
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Disc Type : [DVD-R]
Manufacturer ID : [MCC 01RG20 ]
Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.]
Disc Application Code : [Unrestricted Use : Consumer Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2x , 4x] (8x Cannot Be Detected)
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4,489.3MB = 4.38GB (4.71GB)]
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[DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com]
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** INFO : Data Below Is Formatted For www.DVDrHelp.com/DVDmedia
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Present But Has Been Cleared To Zero
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
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Complete DVD Media Code =
00 00 00 00 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 87 0d 11 .....@....R.....
66 78 80 00 03 4d 43 43 20 30 31 00 04 52 47 32 fx...MCC 01..RG2
30 20 20 00 05 a8 82 00 20 00 02 00 06 09 11 11 0 ..... .......
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DVD Media Type=DVD-R
DVD Media Code=MCC 01RG20
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Here are some pictures I took:





So is this good media?

[lordsmurf]

Yeah, good stuff.

[aanaravs]

Hmm...I did not get it in the blue wrapper. Anyway, I just returned my discs as I had over 30 red blocks in the 15 discs that I burnt.

[QuaiBoy]

Betting that the people who are having problems with MCC vs. Prodisc ID'd discs have burners that have better support for the Prodisc media code than the MCC. My Pioneer 106 prefers the MCC with the current firmware.

Just a theory. Best of Luck to all,
-Evan-

[Denvers Dawgs]

I just backed up a dvd on a Prodisc R03 disk. When I tested it for errors, @ 99% the last 6-7 blocks had errors. Now what does that mean? I went to the end of the dvd and everything played back fine. Could this error cause the movie to freeze at the end of the movie, if i where to watch the entire thing. I recently watched another movie burned onto a R03 disc and it froze with 5 mins left, but when I did a quick scan after I had burned it, it looked fine at the spot where it now freezes.

DvdInfoPro:

Media Information
Disc Regions are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Media code/Manufacturer ID PRODISC R03
Media Product Revision Number 03h
Volume Name 2933jd3343sdf33r3
Application id
Implementation id VSO Software CopyToDVD
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 8/22/2004 17:05:07
Format Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD-ROM
Media Type DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed 8.0x 11080KBps
Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 23053Fh
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

This is the 1st time I went for cheaper media (usually use verbatim/memorex with no problems, 150+ backups) but I couldn't find any printable discs from them. Did I just get bit in the ass for being cheap?? And should I return them.

What are other good printable dvds 25/50/100 packs(price isn't an issue)

[chas0039]

I just backed up a dvd on a Prodisc R03 disk. When I tested it for errors, @ 99% the last 6-7 blocks had errors. Now what does that mean?

I would have to say that your scanning software is not giving you a reliable indication of readability. I know I have seen some weird results with CDSpeed scanning and I have abandoned it as a method of checking the disc. As to the R03 being cheaper media, I seem to recall that Memorex has sold R03 before, just at double the price. So price is not always an indication of quality when there is someone else putting their brand name on it. If you really want quality with no media code substitutions, the best way to go is TY. I wouls check out comments on their printable as I recall some peole were not as happy with it.

[lordsmurf]

Your scanning ROM drive is having issues.
Those test simply mean the drive cannot read the disc.

If several drives cannot read the disc, and then the DVD player will not play that segment, then the disc is bad.

[Denvers Dawgs]

I think I may have confused you both when I had said I did "a quick scan". What I mean is that I put it into my standealone dvd player and it seemed fine. I had burned a movie onto an R03 that my sister said had froze with 5 mins left. So when she brought it downstairs to me I put it in my standalone and played the last 15 mins and it didn't freeze at the spot she had said or anywhere else, so I thought either the disks are bad or maybe her player got was running hot and that caused the errors.

Now about my dvdinfopro information: Does this show that the disc is bad?

Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 23053Fh

[chas0039]

There are three software programs I have noticed that keep showing up to look at the quality of a DVD burn. Kprobe, Plextools, and CDSpeed. All of these are used to measure PI and PIF errors. Kprobe only works with Liteon drives; Pextools only with Plextor and CDSpeed only with those makers who cooperate. Check out CDFreaks.com for more info on the meaning of PI and PIF errors. It appears as though DVDInfo Pro will also report PI and PIF tests but I almost never see anyone use it. Maybe it is just that all the diehard scanners have Liteon.

[Gen-An]

I bought "Prodisc Pioneer certified 4x DVD-R Matte Finish in cake box" from supermediastore. I recieved them today.

I'm curious, what is the serial number on these discs? It's on the dye side, printed on the darker dye-colored ring around the hub if you don't know what I mean. Proper Verbatim 4x -Rs I've gotten (MCC 01RG20) had the following serial numbers:
DataLifePlus in jewel cases: ZC1946-DVR-H47A
DataLifePlus thermal printable (bulk 50 disc): ZC6134-DVR-H47C
DataLife retail 50 disc spindle: ZC6134-DVR-H47C

[jaxxboss]

I just got my order from supermedia stores, a couple 50 packs of pro disc +R 8x inkjet printable. R03 burn fine and play fine. I didnt scan and dont plan on it. If they play fine then Im happy. Too many times peeeps get caught up in kprobe and PI & PO and goobly gook and rectumitis etc ..
I did order a set of legacy 8x inkjet printables from newegg. 100 for $25.00.. couldnt resist. LOL. We'll see how they turn out. should be in within 5 days or so.

[Shudder]

These look 100% identical to me. Old ones were Prodisc s03, these are MCC 4x-R.

Same font, same numbers (well, different numbers, but they're printed the exact same way). Same exact opacity on the inner ring.

My guess is that they're the exact same discs and sometimes they're printed with MCC codes, sometimes they're S03 codes.

[chas0039]

If they were the same disc we would get the same results when we burn them on the same burner. This is far from the case. S03s do not come out as good as MCC. Something else is going on; as lordsmurf has said, Prodisc got help from MCC on the S03 media so they already have a business relationship.

[Bodyslide]

I have a 200 pack of 4x Prodisc White Printable being delivered tomorrow from supermediastore.com. I will report back on how they do.