The Big3 - Oughtta Be Stickied

[Gurm]

Ok folks, because I've seen this happen several times in the past week or so, I feel compelled to provide yet another public service announcement regarding the "Big 3".

I have, in the past, made such blanket statements as "nobody here has a legal copy of Scenarist". And that's not fair, is it? Some people might have it.

But let's call a spade a spade.

1. The "Big3" costs anyone who wants to get it right now a BARE MINIMUM of about $25,000. Yeah, TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS. Scenarist is between $20k - $25k to license, and since Big3 only works with CCE-SP, that'll run you another couple grand minimum.

2. It is unreasonable to suggest to a newbie that is backing up DVD's that he or she "use the Big3". If I post "hey how do I defragment my hard drive" and someone tells me "spend $10,000!" that's not a reasonable answer.

3. While you can CLAIM that you have perfectly legitimate copies of CCE-SP and Scenarist, that you got for free... that's pretty rare. Not impossible, and certainly there are users on here who have them. But most people who use these programs in this combination have obtained them illegally. There are NOT hundreds of users on this forum using what was until recently a $50,000 piece of software to back up $15 DVD's.

So my message is quite simple - while it's ok to talk about the Big3, or to discuss your problems with it, or trade tips and techniques - tread lightly, and don't try to push it on others, since they have no legal means of obtaining it.

[dphirschler]

I thought the Big 3 was DVD Decrypter, Virtual Dub, and DVD Shrink! Man, I have a lot to learn.


Darryl

[tekkieman]

I thought the Big 3 was DVD Decrypter, Virtual Dub, and DVD Shrink! Man, I have a lot to learn.


Darryl

Maybe that's the "Little Three"....

[indolikaa]

When your post count is less than 20, you can't spell worth a shit, and you're claiming to have a legitimate copy of that kind of software...


Never happens.

[Suntan]

Hey man, what do you have agaisnt people who can't spell?

-Suntan

[Gurm]

Nothing against people who can't spell - provided that they aren't native English speakers. If English is your first language, go back to gradeschool.

HOWEVER, the point is more along the lines of - the only people with access to Scenarist, usually, have jobs in DVD production. Not a job for the semiliterate.

[MackemX]

Hey man, what do you have agaisnt people who can't spell?

-Suntan

@MackemX

2) Don't tell people to grow up and be civilized when you use vulgarity (even stupid kiddy misspelled vulgarity) in your posts.

lol

anyway, I agree though Gurm in most cases it's true what you say

[ddlooping]

1) CCE-SP
2) Scenarist
3) ??

[MackemX]

Yo dd!

DoItFast4U was the other 'original' one

[ddlooping]

Thanks Mackadude.

[smearbrick1]

Does this have anything to do with the illusive "Big O"?

[menes777]

Probably the same people that claim to have the "Big3" legit, probably are the same people who claim to have the "Big O" on a regular basis.

Ok that was out of line, I withdraw my statement your honor....

[noki]

Scenarist is between $20k - $25k to license

actually is it not $34,000 -39,000 for the Pro version? I think there are at least 3 versions of the app.

[Supreme2k]

1) CCE-SP
2) Scenarist
3) ??

3) PROFIT!!!

[Gurm]

Scenarist is between $20k - $25k to license

actually is it not $34,000 -39,000 for the Pro version? I think there are at least 3 versions of the app.

That's entirely possible. I was being extremely conservative.

CCE Pro is quite a lot more than SP as well - like $20,000 or so last time I checked.

The point is that the "Big3" represents anywhere from $25,000 - $50,000 worth of software.

[BJ_M]

Scenarist is between $20k - $25k to license

actually is it not $34,000 -39,000 for the Pro version? I think there are at least 3 versions of the app.

There are 6 versions plus 4 Authoring Extras


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[Gazorgan]

LOLOLOLOL go Girm!

Can I start my "No legitimate public Domain 700 MB AVI's" thread now? Or my "Legitimate Downloaded DVD" debate?

[TheFamilyMan]

Casual talk about using massively expensive software around here always annoys me a bit. There are obviously pros out there that use this stuff. IMHO a lot of them probably consider this site rather mickey mouse. Here's a related poll that would be interresting to run:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=911483&highlight=#911483

[jarvis1781]

The original Big3 was:

DoItFast4U
DoCCE4U
ReAuthorist

Those apps are pretty much all but dead.

DVD-RB is definitely the way to go these days!

[BJ_M]

Casual talk about using massively expensive software around here always annoys me a bit. There are obviously pros out there that use this stuff. IMHO a lot of them probably consider this site rather mickey mouse. Here's a related poll that would be interresting to run:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=911483&highlight=#911483

no -- most do not consider this site mickey mouse or even donald duck at all

[haloblack]

1) CCE-SP
2) Scenarist
3) ??

3) PROFIT!!!

No, no, no... it's:

1) CCE-SP
2) Scenarist
3) ???
4) PROFIT!!!


You give /. meme jokes a bad name!

But as long as we're on the subject... "In Soviet Russia, DVD transcodes YOU!"

[indolikaa]

In Soviet Russia, KeyGen needs you.

[jarvis1781]

In Soviet Russia, KeyGen needs you.

Can we keep to the topic?

[Faustus]

While you may indeed have a point, it is not the policy to stomp on people for what they may or may not have done or payed for. Personally I could care less if you have never owned a legit piece of software in yoru life as long as you dont talk about it or advacate it here.

The Big3 is/was a backup method, and therefore one that can be discussed. The same argument could be applied to any commercial software reguardless of price really. Just because it cost so much more or so much less doesn't change things.

Innocent until proven guilt is the motto of the day.

As far as not suggesting it, I have no idea what someones budget may be, or how much they are willing to spend. If they wanted to do a specific task and wanted the best software to do so and the Big3 was the best way to do it then I would suggest it. IF they said yeah but thats too expensive, then its time to suggest other alternatives.

My point is that this topic shouldn't even come up. If you say HEY GUYS I JUST waarezed Big3 omg cool. Welcome to yellow card land. Otherwise leave people be.

Your zest for following the rules may perhaps be violating the spirit of it. On other sites I'm on we call this "Hawking". Its not an insulting term, it just shows that some people have a drive for getting others in trouble by applying the rules int he strictest means possible

[Pop's]

?????????????

[Supreme2k]

The Big3 is/was a backup method, and therefore one that can be discussed. The same argument could be applied to any commercial software reguardless of price really. Just because it cost so much more or so much less doesn't change things.

On the other hand, C'MON

You have to be a little suspicious sometimes. There's a huge difference between "I just bought TDA for $75. How do I use/get the most out of it?" and "I just 'got' $75,000 worth of software. How do I use it? I am doing homework for Middle School."

[Faustus]

The Big3 is/was a backup method, and therefore one that can be discussed. The same argument could be applied to any commercial software reguardless of price really. Just because it cost so much more or so much less doesn't change things.

On the other hand, C'MON

You have to be a little suspicious sometimes. There's a [u]huge[/i] difference between "I just bought TDA for $75. How do I use/get the most out of it?" and "I just 'got' $75,000 worth of software. How do I use it? I am doing homework for Middle School."

You should reread my post again I think. I'm saying that you care to much about the difference.

Stop witch hunting.

[Supreme2k]

But this isn't about the law, or real life even. Most of what is said on these boards is based on opinion, even if it is very experienced opinion. When someone makes the slightest hint that someone else is talking about warez, in general, they are not really doing anything. That is left to the descretion of the mods. If one person wants to say "You can't afford BIG3", the other person is welcome to say "Sure can!" or ignore them altogether.

There may be a fine line between so-called "hawking" and being a little over-zealous in protecting this site, but I tend to believe that people who cry warez usually have the best of intentions. Someone may think that a person is an a-hole if they answer "Read the guides", but that person is just as helpful as a hand-holder, if not moreso. One person may think that the warez cryer is a jerk, but it may also show his loyalty to this site.

[MackemX]

it all depends on the attitude that is shown when crying 'warez warez'

[Supreme2k]

True, true. Kind of like "Check the guides to the left" vs. "If you weren't such a total ass, you would have checked the guides!"

Or "Scenarist isn't run-of-the-mill software. Is your copy legit?" vs. "The only people who come here have no jobs. There's no way you could afford anything, especially Scenarist!"