Clarification on hardware required to back up dvds

[Gurm]

Ok, let's SLOW DOWN.

If you will read carefully, I ANSWERED HIS QUESTION.

I did so in a sarcastic, snide manner. But I ANSWERED IT.

He got offended by the inference in my answer, which I will come right out and say here for you:

......................

You both failed to think AND failed to do "hours of research" if you felt that you could burn a DVD in your CD burner. The mere fact that you asked the question in such a manner indicated that you already pretty much knew that you needed a DVD burner.

Do you put VHS tapes in your casette deck? Do you put ZIP disks in your floppy drive?

Exactly what "research" did you do on this site that DID NOT include the words "put the blank in your DVD burner and..." or something to that effect? As was previously mentioned in here ALL of the basic guides include the fact that you need a DVD burner.

But y'know what? I shouldn't have to defend my words. I ANSWERED THE DAMN QUESTION. It was a *wink*wink*nod*nod* sort of answer, but an answer nonetheless. I said he would be a bit disappointed with the results of trying to burn a DVD disc in a CD drive. And that says it all.

The forum rules require that before posting you THINK and do a little research. Even the most TINY amount of research would have answered this question.

So I'm not on a moral high horse - those of you who feel that we have an overstated obligation to pander to novices who want us to hold their hands through the installation process of DVD Shrink instead of learning it themselves or reading a guide... YOU are on a moral high horse.

[jimmalenko]

Boy, what an irritable bunch we are today.

Time for milk and cookies I think....


Probably not a good idea for a noob to give a regular a dressing down on forum etiquette, considering part of that etiquette is to perform a web search and/or forum search before posting.

[tekkieman]

The forum rules require that before posting you THINK and do a little research.

Incorrect. There is no such requirement. As I already posted the line from the AUP that says "try", no sense rehashing that one.

So I'm not on a moral high horse - those of you who feel that we have an overstated obligation to pander to novices who want us to hold their hands through the installation process of ....

No one said you were obligated to do anything. Someone asked for advice, not demanded it. If providing helpful information to newbies without snide comments, is too much for you, like I said, maybe you just need to stick to the advanced forums. Otherwise, you are trolling.

Finally, again, if you must have your daily allotment of bashing, come over to OT. We'll be waiting for you! :P

[MackemX]

Gurm, there was no real harm in your post though it wan't really helpful and that's all the guy has asked for, some help, even though it's a simple answer. His reply was rather harmless but do you not get it now?. You are a veteran in this field and yet you keep on having digs at relative newbies asking stupid questions. Why do you keep doing it only to know that it will eventually turn into the shite it normally does?. You have a jibe then he does and what happens next? All the rest of the pack of hyenas jump aboard and it's a feeding frenzy

as mentioned do the piss takes in the off topic forums where most know to take anything that is said with a pinch of salt and it's very salty in there at times

why not try to keep the wise cracks to newbies intelligence to a minimum no matter what the question?

c'mon mate, chill a little and just ignore threads like this instead and put your knowledge into good use instead of getting wound up over absolutely f'all

@jimmalenko, typical attitude it may be etiquette but is it the rules? Nope it isn't, so why do people take it so seriously?. It's just a f'in stupid question that's quite easily ignored

In the end you just force noobs away with the pathetic attitudes I see sometimes in this forum. What if a newb who gets grief wants to ask a very good question in the future?. Will they post here again or will he go elsewhere instead?

'Get over it people, move on nothing to see here' when you come across what you feel is a stupid thread. Let the blind lead the blind instead of taking the piss out of them

[Gurm]

Look, we were all novices once.

I am the FIRST person to be helpful when someone has a post like "hey I'm just totally lost, I have a DVD burner and want to backup my discs and these guides just don't make any sense HELP!"

But there has been a huge influx of posts like:

"I read all the guides but can someone tell me step by step how to backup a disc with DVD Shrink?"

or

"I've spent hours reading this forum, and I installed CloneDVD and AnyDVD. Can you tell me which icon to click?"

or MUCH WORSE.

It gets old. So, in an attempt to not be entirely unhelpful, I answer the question in a way that makes the person think that MAYBE their post wasn't entirely on the level.

And y'know what? His angry response pretty much indicates that he DIDN'T think it through, DIDN'T do any research, and DID just expect us to provide him with yet another regurgitated black and white step by step answer.

That's what a lot of novices are looking for nowadays - they want not only a step-by-step, which THE GUIDES PROVIDE, but a "customized" step-by-step, in a thread they started, tailored to them.

We are not a paid helpdesk. There is a wealth of information here, just click the "guides" link on the left and have at it!

[jimmalenko]

@jimmalenko, typical attitude it may be etiquette but is it the rules? Nope it isn't, so why do people take it so seriously?. It's just a f'in stupid question that's quite easily ignored.

I call it courtesy.

[MackemX]

let's look at this again, take out your reply and put bugsters next. Where would this thread be now?

probably on page 3, I rest my case

if veterans think it's stupid and they are being lazy ignore and it will either disappear or someone like bugster will give the simple answer and then it will disappear sooner than it appeared

how can you not accept the fact you will not stop it no matter what you do?. the only thing you contribute by trying to be clever is just increase the thread life by getting into a slanging match with whoever you have upset

think about it people

[jimmalenko]

Thanks to this site, and several hours of research, I am ready to back up my first DVD movie onto DVD-R.

One can only wonder where you spent those hours.

[MackemX]

I call it courtesy.

lol, and you are courteous all the time?

[tekkieman]

Thanks to this site, and several hours of research, I am ready to back up my first DVD movie onto DVD-R.

One can only wonder where you spent those hours.

OT?

[jimmalenko]

I call it courtesy.

lol, and you are courteous all the time?

I am when someone has tried their guts out and researched but gets stuck.

Those who walk into a room looking at the ceiling and not noticing the instructions on the walls, well...

They get what they deserve.

[MackemX]

I am when someone has tried their guts out and researched but gets stuck.

Those who walk into a room looking at the ceiling and not noticing the instructions on the walls, well...

They get what they deserve.

lol, that's exactly the pathetic attitude in this forum that let's it down

show me where it says that in the rules? :P

[MackemX]

If only the rules read something like

You agree not to post any abusive, disrespectful, offensive, discourteous, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any applicable laws or upset other members.

things might be different

[jimmalenko]

lol, that's exactly the pathetic attitude in this forum that let's it down

show me where it says that in the rules? :P

Who died and made you moderator ?

I consider the practice of research by way of a google search to be fairly elementary. I have found the answers to many of my own problems in all sorts of fields doing this. I am constantly amazed at how much stuff is on the net.

My ideas are loosely supported by

Please try to do some basic research before posting.
Most fundamental questions are answered on the How To's on this site.

Use the Forum search feature.
Using the search can yield rich rewards as most questions have already been previously answered.

We won't go through the semantics of the word "try" again will we ?

If so, don't forget to include the word "use" in your analysis.

For anyone still following the thread looking for the answer:

CD burners do CDs only.
DVD Burners do DVDs & CDs.

[MackemX]

For anyone still following the thread looking for the answer:

CD burners do CDs only.
DVD Burners do DVDs & CDs.

lol, got the answer out you eventually

maybe you can answer a question I asked many moons ago in this thread? You can burn a MiniDVD onto a CD. I did it with a DVD burner and luckily enough my standalone played it but can you do it with a CD burner?

[jimmalenko]

You agree not to post any abusive, disrespectful, offensive, discourteous, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any applicable laws or upset other members.

What a happy little family we'd be then, eh

disrespectful... discourteous... upset other members...

I would hate to fart while browsing the forums just in case it fell into any of the these three categories.

[Suntan]

Ok, so lets all praise bugster for his polite and helpfull response. But come on bugster, deep down you were thinking this guy was an idiot while you were responding to the post...


...and MackemX, before you post stating how poor my atitiude is, why don't you helpfully reply to all of the posts from the last week that go something like this "I downloaded some Xvid movies and when I convert them to DVD the audio is out of sync..." That should keep you buisy for a while.

-Suntan

[jimmalenko]

maybe you can answer a question I asked many moons ago in this thread? You can burn a MiniDVD onto a CD. I did it with a DVD burner but can you do it with a CD burner?

so technically you can burn a DVD structure onto a CD

From Nero Express:



I only have CD burners on this computer. It appears that you can do it with just a CD burner.

[jimmalenko]

I guess you would say that miniDVD is a DVD structure in a CD format.

Good luck explaining that to a noob

[MackemX]

Ok, so lets all praise bugster for his polite and helpfull response. But come on bugster, deep down you were thinking this guy was an idiot while you were responding to the post...

he acted the way a moderator should act regardless of what he feels. Why do other find it hard to follow his example. Bugster probably answered before the hyenas could get hold of him

...and MackemX, before you post stating how poor my atitiude is, why don't you helpfully reply to all of the posts from the last week that go something like this "I downloaded some Xvid movies and when I convert them to DVD the audio is out of sync..." That should keep you buisy for a while.

-Suntan

my speciality is DVD to DVDR's as I have no interest in Xvid movies conversions to DVD and as I haven't replied then they are gonna disappear quicker aren't it?

again, just ignore them if you think it's a stupid question unless they are directly breaking the rules by saying what movie it is

[gitreel]

http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/terms/minidvd.cfm

Glossary
Glossary
miniDVD

Full description not available yet.

miniDVD is not a real format, but a hack instead that uses standalone DVD players' abilities to play back regular CDs.

Basically miniDVD is a regular CD that has the same structure as regular DVD-Video has. Most of the standalone DVD players can be fooled to think that the disc inserted is a regular DVD-Video disc and to play it.

Biggest problem with miniDVDs is the fact that DVD movies tend to take appx. 4GBs of space and in CD you can just fit ~700MB of data -> one movie ends up taking 6 or more CDs. Therefor most of the people don't use miniDVDs, but use some other standalone DVD player-compliant formats instead, like VCDs, SVCDs or their varieties.

[MackemX]

Good luck explaining that to a noob

I guess you would say that miniDVD is a DVD structure in a CD format that was created with a CD burner would be even more confusing

You would get a question like, If I put a DVD-R blank into the CD, seeing as it holds 4.37GB's can I burn a 4.37GB Mini-DVD on that?

thanks for confirning what I thought would be true without me searching for it because I was lazy

[jimmalenko]

http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/terms/minidvd.cfm

Glossary
Glossary
miniDVD

Full description not available yet.

miniDVD is not a real format, but a hack instead that uses standalone DVD players' abilities to play back regular CDs.

Basically miniDVD is a regular CD that has the same structure as regular DVD-Video has. Most of the standalone DVD players can be fooled to think that the disc inserted is a regular DVD-Video disc and to play it.

Biggest problem with miniDVDs is the fact that DVD movies tend to take appx. 4GBs of space and in CD you can just fit ~700MB of data -> one movie ends up taking 6 or more CDs. Therefor most of the people don't use miniDVDs, but use some other standalone DVD player-compliant formats instead, like VCDs, SVCDs or their varieties.

And from our glossary here:
https://www.videohelp.com/glossary?M#miniDVD

miniDVD
miniDVD is a DVD video written onto a CD-R(W) instead of a DVD disc. miniDVD is also sometimes called cDVD. A miniDVD only fits about 15 minutes of DVD quality video on a 650 MB CD-R(W). Not many DVD players will play miniDVD - see the DVD Players miniDVD list for compatible players.

Isn't it amazing what a search yielded ?

I guess you would say that miniDVD is a DVD structure in a CD format that was created with a CD burner would be even more confusing

You would get a question like, If I put a DVD-R blank into the CD, seeing as it holds 4.37GB's can I burn a 4.37GB Mini-DVD on that?

[MackemX]

I'd seen the MiniDVD description here and had an idea of what they were, but I just wanted to be sure that a burning software would allow you to burn a Mini-DVD using only a CD burner and it does

I admitted I couldn't be bothered to search (I would have eventually if nobody knew here) but it's still an interesting question that very few could have answered without research

the search would have taken me a few seconds as I went straight to DVDemystified and searched for 'mini. It's rather informative on this subject and I was thinking it would be something like DVCD but it's also known as cDVD according and I've seen elsewhere that DVD just means DVD and it's not an acronym
http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#5.7

just in case anyone missed jimmalenko's earlier post here is a line from http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#2.4.3

CD-R burners can't read or write DVD discs of any kind.

but they can read/burn cDVD's (miniDVD's)

[Gurm]

So since we're on the topic, what do they call the little itty bitty DVD's then?

[MackemX]

DVDmini I think if you mean the 3" ones