Why isn't there any useful software?

[priapos]

I have been using a number of the local favorite software including dvdshrink/dvd2one/decrypter/fab/santa/nero/dvdcopy/clonedvd/etc... I try almost every new product that comes out.

There is still one terrible problem, the process is just way too slow. Computers have more than enough computing power to make the process faster, but software seems to lag. 45 minutes to an hour is just too long. Even with faster burners, the ripping takes forever. Further, most of these software titles tie up the processor rendering the computer unusable for hours.

The only software that I have found useful is dvdcopy2. It is much much faster than anything else out there. It also doesn't tie up the processor. You hardly know its running. Problem is that you get pixelation from time to time. I am watching this developer closely, since they seem closest to perfection.

Does anyone else find the copy process too cumbersom, or is everyone more patient than present company?

Thoughts?

[DVD_Ripper]

Personally, for what the system has to do (transcoding the entire movie) I think most apps run in a reasonable amout of time... but that IMO.

[yoda313]

Hello,

priapos-Even with faster burners, the ripping takes forever

I have read in other posts that some dvd drives are locked at slow speeds. Maybe you could search the forum for your drive and see if there is a way to boost the rip speed .
Kevin

[smearbrick1]

Hmm... Interesting. I backed up "We Were Soldiers" last night (movie only, compression 84%). I used the deep analysis and the new sharpness feature on DVDShrink 3.2 and it only took about 15 minutes to transcode and another 10 to burn.

10 + 15 = 25 Min.

Not too bad in my book.

[yoda313]

Hello,

smearbrick1-it only took about 15 minutes to transcode and another 10 to burn.

Well, you are running a p4 3ghz. I'm on a AMD 850mhz and for a long movie it can take me close to a half hour to transcode. Burning depends on media (obviously), I average about 25 minutes for 2x blanks on my 4x drive

---Individual Results May Vary-----

Kevin

[junkmalle]

most of these software titles tie up the processor rendering the computer unusable for hours.

There's an easy fix for this. Once you have started the program use Alt-Ctl-Del to bring up the Task Manager. Go to the Processes tab and find the program. Right click on it and select Set Priority -> BelowNormal or Low.

[Treebeard]

I have been using a number of the local favorite software including dvdshrink/dvd2one/decrypter/fab/santa/nero/dvdcopy/clonedvd/etc... I try almost every new product that comes out.

There is still one terrible problem, the process is just way too slow. Computers have more than enough computing power to make the process faster, but software seems to lag. 45 minutes to an hour is just too long. Even with faster burners, the ripping takes forever. Further, most of these software titles tie up the processor rendering the computer unusable for hours.

The only software that I have found useful is dvdcopy2. It is much much faster than anything else out there. It also doesn't tie up the processor. You hardly know its running. Problem is that you get pixelation from time to time. I am watching this developer closely, since they seem closest to perfection.

Does anyone else find the copy process too cumbersom, or is everyone more patient than present company?

Thoughts?

Patience is a virtue. Learn it.

[Harryford]

a disc can only spin so fast, considering wut the computer is doing I am amazed it even boots, think about thet transistors are so small they are smaller than the wavelenght of light, meaning that you cannot see them in our sense of "seeing" things its physically impossible, you have to use an elecctron microscope, BTW there are close to a 130-150 million transistors in the new proccesers!

[gitreel]

I have been using a number of the local favorite software including dvdshrink/dvd2one/decrypter/fab/santa/nero/dvdcopy/clonedvd/etc... I try almost every new product that comes out.

There is still one terrible problem, the process is just way too slow. Computers have more than enough computing power to make the process faster, but software seems to lag. 45 minutes to an hour is just too long. Even with faster burners, the ripping takes forever. Further, most of these software titles tie up the processor rendering the computer unusable for hours.

The only software that I have found useful is dvdcopy2. It is much much faster than anything else out there. It also doesn't tie up the processor. You hardly know its running. Problem is that you get pixelation from time to time. I am watching this developer closely, since they seem closest to perfection.

Does anyone else find the copy process too cumbersom, or is everyone more patient than present company?

Thoughts?

Why don't you upgrade your processor?

That will speed up your transcoding time.

[ZippyP.]

I'm on a AMD 850mhz...

There's the obvious answer to your problem, your processor is outdated. Time for an upgrade.

[yoda313]

Hello,

ZippyP.-yoda313 wrote:
I'm on a AMD 850mhz...

There's the obvious answer to your problem, your processor is outdated. Time for an upgrade.

No Duh! I was just pointing out not everybody is on a p4 3ghz like the member I was responding to. Actually, most of my rips run pretty fast for my taste. And I plan on upgrading this year, hopefully .
Kevin

[gitreel]

The software does it's job, you just need a faster cpu.

Processor speed is like ten years ahead of software.

[Sam Ontario]

Hello,

smearbrick1-it only took about 15 minutes to transcode and another 10 to burn.

Well, you are running a p4 3ghz. I'm on a AMD 850mhz and for a long movie it can take me close to a half hour to transcode. Burning depends on media (obviously), I average about 25 minutes for 2x blanks on my 4x drive

---Individual Results May Vary-----

Kevin

AMD is slow for videos. Get a 2.4GHz Celeron and buy 4x media next time and I am sure you can do it in less than 30 minutes!

[gitreel]

Hello,

smearbrick1-it only took about 15 minutes to transcode and another 10 to burn.

Well, you are running a p4 3ghz. I'm on a AMD 850mhz and for a long movie it can take me close to a half hour to transcode. Burning depends on media (obviously), I average about 25 minutes for 2x blanks on my 4x drive

---Individual Results May Vary-----

Kevin

AMD is slow for videos. Get a 2.4GHz Celeron and buy 4x media next time and I am sure you can do it in less than 30 minutes!

Amd is not slow for videos. You have no clue of wtf you are talking about.
I have a 1.5Gh Athlon xp and I can rip a dvd in about 10-15 minutes and 10 minutes to burn.

[yoda313]

Hello,
Take it easy guys!! If you read part of my original post in this thread I included this line:

---Individual Results May Vary-----

I was just pointing out slower computers naturally mean slower processing speeds.
Kevin

[Kool_Aid]

If you have several hard drives (not partitions) you can speed things up by choosing different drives for each operation.

It's faster to read from one drive and write to another, than to work on one single drive.

[adam]

I bet your problem has absolutely nothing to do with software. As someone already mentioned, almost all dvd burners are locked at 2x for ripping. That means its going to take almost an hour to rip a full dvd9. The transcoder can't process the data any faster then it can pull it off the disk. So try this, rip to an iso with DVD decryptor first. It will take just about as long as your current transcoding process, since its the ripping that is really slow you down.

Then load that into somethingl like DVD Shrink and watch it process the whole thing in like 15 mins. If you can read from one drive and output to another, it will go even faster.

If you want to increase your dvd->transcode process then you need to buy a cheap dvd-rom that rips fast like a Lite-On. You need something that isn't locked at 2x.

[priapos]

I'm running a p4 northwood, so I don't believe that is really the problem. Further, the fact that certain software is able to do the job in a fraction of the time, is proof enough that it aint the processors fault. I also have 2 gigs of ram. I blame the software.

[smearbrick1]

"As someone already mentioned, almost all dvd burners are locked at 2x for ripping. That means its going to take almost an hour to rip a full dvd9."



For ripping? My god... I can rip a dvd in about 12 minutes. Full DVD9.

[adam]

I blame the software.

The fact that your pc is that powerful should make it obvious that the problem is not the software. If your dvd burner is locked at 2x then anything you do is going to be slow if you are using that dvd as your source. It has nothing to do with the power of the computer, you have a physical barrier which is specifically intended to slow you down.

Get a dvd-rom, period.

[priapos]

Adam,

I am using a dvd rom.

[priapos]

This is the exact dvd rom drive I'm using:

Model ID Manufacturer Device Type Speed
AXV CD/DVD-ROM SCSI CdRom Device Alcohol DVD-ROM Virtual
Generic DVD-ROM SCSI CdRom Device ? ? ?
LITEON DVD-ROM LTD163D Lite-On DVD-ROM 16x/48x

[adam]

Ok, well you still need to ensure that the ripping isn't going slow, since that is still the most likely culprit. On that system something like DVD Shrink shouldn't take that long at all.

Make sure your IDE channel is set to DMA. If not then your ripper relies on your CPU to rip and even with the fastest of computers its still slow as hell. Try ripping a DVD in DVD Decryptor and looking at your task manager. If your CPU is hitting 90-100 then DMA is either not enabled or not working.

Check out the reported rip speed in Decryptor as you do this. Lots of 16x dvd-roms still only rip at around 1x-2x. Who knows why.

[Suntan]

3 possible conclusions:

1 everybody is lying to you
2 every software maker has it in for just you
3 Your burner is locked at 2x/your system is configured wrong

Take your pick.

-Suntan

[MackemX]

lol, for all the impatient people wanting everything now now now!

go back and look at the history of backing up DVD's and you will soon be thanking the makers of the current software for the stage it is at now instead of wishing the programs would do it in nanoseconds

the actual 'usertime' is the main factor here for a 1:1 copy and you should look at the time you actually need to attend the PC to do this. The overall processing time is all down to you PC setup and not the programs and this is why you get such a variation from one user to the next . You can set the Prority as junkmalle mentioned (you could be really clever and create a shortcut that does it for you) and although it's a little slower you won't notice the program running in the background

Obviously most processes are faster if you have a higer spec PC but sometimes the hardware limits the process. I bet you can read a DVD and burn a DVD on a prehistoric PC in probably the same time as you can on a P4 3.6 or whatever as DVD ripping has generally been the same and burning is limited by your burner

I don't give a 'cahoot' if someone can copy a DVD in 1 nanosecond or 10 nanoseconds on their superfast highly expensive PC, in fact who does really care? . You don't have to sit and stare at the process bar and the DVD is still going to be there later if you don't do it there and then unless you are making an illegal copy . I can quite easily backup a DVD in half a nanosecond as all it takes is a click of the mouse button

All I'd be bothered about was quality and not just the quickest process to copy a DVD 1:1. One reason is that doing it direct chances making a coaster for starters if there was something as simple as a read error due to a speck of dust

nobody would really need to spend that much 'usertime' per day to backup their collection 'legally'. Not the case here but it's the rental guys who normally want to copy so many DVD's per day and this thread HERE is a classic example as it was just a repost from this thread HERE reworded

@priarpos, were you talking about Intervideo DVDCopy2?

[gitreel]

3 possible conclusions:

1 everybody is lying to you
2 every software maker has it in for just you
3 Your burner is locked at 2x/your system is configured wrong

Take your pick.

-Suntan

#1 is wrong. We have no reason to lie to you.
#2 is just plain retarded
must be #3.

[jameshgross]

There are many reasons for such long processing times:
1. lack of memory
2. Spyware on the computer.
3. Additional tasks you are running.
4. Not running in DMA mode.
5. You have a virus.
6. Your HD is fragmented

You can:
1. Have at least 256M of memory More is better. I see you have a gig
2. Use Spybot or AD-Ware
3. Close all unneeded tasks. EnditAll is a good program.
4. Check the drive properties to make sure DMA is enabled
5. UpgradE and run your virus checker.
6. Defrag the HD.
7. Get the Resource Kit for your version of Windows. The Kit will explain how to tune Windows for best performance.

Problems such as yours are almost always curiable.

Try the site http://www.blackviper.com

As with most computers problems, studying and learning the operating system is the best way to cure your problems.

My C600 Dell Latitude will rip a DVD in about 30 mins.

If you fill in your profile more help can be given.

[MackemX]

lol , 10 replies while I was typing my post

anyway, take our word for it because all the software's work fast. People can copy a DVD using DVDShrink in next to no time just as they can with CloneDVD or whatever else they use

if the software isn't working right then it is your system setup and/or data transfer method that is limiting the software

good list jameshgross

another could be location of the Drives on the EIDE channels

[gitreel]

[priapos]

Ok, well you still need to ensure that the ripping isn't going slow, since that is still the most likely culprit. On that system something like DVD Shrink shouldn't take that long at all.

Make sure your IDE channel is set to DMA. If not then your ripper relies on your CPU to rip and even with the fastest of computers its still slow as hell. Try ripping a DVD in DVD Decryptor and looking at your task manager. If your CPU is hitting 90-100 then DMA is either not enabled or not working.

Check out the reported rip speed in Decryptor as you do this. Lots of 16x dvd-roms still only rip at around 1x-2x. Who knows why.

Adam,

I think I may have found part of the problem. My primary IDE channel is set to pio. I am not able to change it to dma. I have 'dma if available' checked, but it is still in pio. Do I need a driver update?

The secondary ide is fine, in ultra dma.

I should add that 'device 0' is fine as well. It is only 'device 1' of my primary ide that is stuck in pio.