random pauses/ glitches in backed up DVD's

[DVD_NDN]

hello

I am new here, and have looked over the posts and could not find anything that sounds quite like my problem.

I am using:
"LG GSA-4120B" Super multi DVD drive
Toshiba 1800 standalone dvd player
Maxell DVD-R
Memorex DVD +RW
DVD shrink
Nero smart start (software that came with the burner)

computer is a P-4 1.77
256mb ram.

After backing up my DVD's, I test them on my standalone, and find a re-occuring problem - Random pauses in the movie. The frame will freeze and stay there for approximately 1minute. Occasionally the frame will freeze and will not resume play at all.

I am at a loss to explain whats going on. at first I though some sort of copyright protection, then just crappy media/ hardware.

please, if anyone can tell me what the problem is, and how to best remedy it or get around it, let me know. Its frustrating as all hell.

thank you for your time.

[spongecake]

Thats funny..

because basically I have the same computer and dvd burner and ive been trying to figure it out....

read the guides and try and get rid of some of the usless crap on a dvd to reduce the size....

i get good quality when i dont compress...

anyways someone else will follow up..

[blinky88]

1. Use Shrink to re-author and backup.
2. Use imgTool Classic and make an ISO image.
3. Burn with DVD Decriptor.

No coasters, no skips and a backup that is hard pick from the original DVD, more importantly, I use the cheapest DVD media I can find.

[MackemX]

with DVDShrink 3.2 you don't need to create an ISO as it has an option to output to ISO now

[DVD_NDN]

just a follow up to my original post

I've found that the performance varies from player to player.
The glitches occur on my home standalone in different places each time (and with one backed up disc in the same place).
While on at least one dvd player (I dont know the exact model - but its a panasonic dvd+vcr player) my movie played flawlessly, however on my home player 'hellboy' keeps freezing. not just frozen but my dvd player refuses to scan ahead or back, it completely freezes.
try to skip to the next scene from the scene selection menu? wont work.

I can accept that the player is not up to snuff, I've had it for two years, and I dont know how much older than that it is. and I could accept it if it were the media I am recording it to isnt the best either.

I am more inclined to believe the standalone is shotty.
but... could anyone explain to me why its not able to perform as well as other players? "because its old" is funny, but... I want to learn..

anyone?

thanks.

[guns1inger]

I have owned a Pioneer 414 for almost 6 years. It has done good service and I have been very happy with it. Recently, however, it started to get very temperamental. It would have problems playing disks with even the finest scratches one day, then play it happily the next. Some backups would work without a hitch, others would suffer audio drop outs or stuttering. I tested these in other players without a problem.

In the end, the only conclusion was that it was running out of puff. It could have been a number of things, including dust on the lens, laser drifting out of alignment after some many years usage (it has averaged 3 - 4 hours play a day over than time) . . . . in the end it doesn't matter because it is cheaper to buy a replacement than get the old one serviced (gotta love a throw away society). I now have a Pioneer DV-466 (Pioneer make the best stand alones, even if they do hold slavishly to -R only). It plays more formats than the old one, and all my backups play without issue.

Moral of the (long winded) story - shit gets old. When it does, get a new one.

[DVD_NDN]

thanks MackemX for the tip 'bout dvdshrink 3.2 - should make things a bit easier for me.

[bingolong]

DVD_NDN

Do the stand alone player and dvd feel warm when you
freeze up? If so, the freezing could be due to over heating.

I have a daewoo dvd 3000n that freezes after about 1 hour of
playing time. The player is warm as is the dvd.

I also have a sony dav-fc7 on which the same dvds play flawlessly.
Also, the sony is much cooler to the touch than the daewoo.
I noticed that on the sony, there is a fan in the back of the unit
pulling air out of it.

I decided the do some mods on my daewoo's cover. I drilled some
holes in the rear of the cover where I felt the most heat. Also, I
used a "y" power connector to attach a small computer fan to the
side vent of the unit. After doing so, I replayed the dvds that were
freezing, and they played without a hitch. Also, the unit was cooler
to the touch.

I am keeping the unit on for a 24 hour period, and I will replay the
dvds that froze again this evening. If they play through this time,
I feel that the problem is solved.

Hope this info helps.

[oncall]

DVD_NDN,

This issue could be related to the NERO burning software you are using. Stop using NERO and use a different burning software. Or from blinky88's post, you can use DVD Shrink then imgTool Classic with DVD Decrypter. There has not be any issues using this method.

Also are you using DVD labels after you burn your movies. If so stop using them and just use a fine permanent marker to title the movie. There is a post where DVD labels can cause freezes and/or skips because when the DVD player heats up, the DVD media will heat up as well thus causing the glue on the DVD label to come off. This will cause the DVD media to be unbalanced when playing in the DVD player. Now if you use DVD labels then there are some DVD players (like cheap DVD players) can be without any issues. Only the high end DVD players could have a problem.

Bottom line...use blinky88's suggestion and stop using DVD labels and see what results you get.

[DVD_Ripper]

Use DVD Identifier to determine the media ID of those Memorex's ... some DVD media has a known problem of skipping and freezing.

Tim

[MysticE]

Sounds like a classic case of bad/mismatched media. Try some other brands and run a Transfer Rate test in Nero CD Speed. You want a result like this:

[bingolong]

DVD_NDN

Just to report back. The computer fan and holes I
drilled in the stand alone player's cover have solved
my problem with freezing. I ran the player for approx.
24 hours and replayed backed up dvds that were having
problems. They played through without a hitch.

Before considering the heat problem, I ran my
authored dvds through nero speed tests and dvdinfopro
tests. The graphs were good and the discs read with
no errors. I only use TDK -r 2X (riteks) and Maxell -r 4x.
The problem did not lie with the authoring process
(dvd decrypter > dvd shrink > nero) or with the media.
Again, problem discs played on my sony dvd player without
incident.

The only difference between the two stand alones players
was the heat problem.

If you don't want to do the mod, take the cover off the
player and play the same problem dvds. If they play
without freezing, then the problem may be overheating.

Here is a link to a thread from this forum on overheating.

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=218275&highlight=overheating

[Jah_Rankin]

Media, Media, Media. Bad media.

[MackemX]

Standalone, Standalone, Standalone, Bad standalone

I think there's more than just media to blame in this instance . It's probably just the fact his standalone struggles to read that type of dye and overheated. I've seen it in a few players but I wouldn't blame the media, I would blame the crap laser in the standalone instead as why do $20 DVD-ROM's have such a greater playback success Are they using some state of the art technology? lol

simple table for this thread anyway

bad media + bad standalone = bad playback
bad media + good standalone = OK playback
good media + good standalone = good playback

there is the method of burning and the burner used which is another 2 factors to bear in mind but it's always easy for some to point the finger at the media :P

[Jah_Rankin]

I tried to burn the Fuji +rw media that were allocated to burn @ 4X speed with nero and it failed most times, burned with RecNmax and paused every sec.

[DVD_NDN]

the suggestion about removing the top to my dvd player is quite good.
I mean, as far as cost goes anyway - take off the top - if it fixes it, well hoofreakinray, if not, then that would eliminate at least one possibility.

I dont use any labels, so it couldnt be the glue. and my dvd player isnt exactly top of the line.

Media. now, theres another likely possiblity. I bought a stack of 25 dvds at futureshop for .. 30 bucks I think (I bought em when I bought the dvd burner).
I couldnt tell you what type of... dye was used on the bottom, looks blue.

I'm going to follow through with that suggestion however, opening the lid. I feel a little foolish I hadnt considered that myself. if not, then a new brand of dvd.
failing those first two - an entirely new standalone.

any suggestions on brands and/or brands of dvd's I should look into considering my system?

thanks everyone. its all been really helpful

[bingolong]

DVD_NDN

Look to the left sidebar under "Lists" and seach for your unit under
"DVD Players."