Example of Media being different in a spindle

[HAMP]

When I first bought my 712A(original firmware) I had gotten a spindle of Verbatim 8X media, at that time the media was on Plextor's recommended list. Plextor had updated the firmware and changed Verbatim to the compatible list and stated 8X is for 8X. The rest of the DVD's in that cake was only able to write at 8x. I could not go back to the first frimware and was pissed at myself for updating when nothing was wrong.

Recently I was a little bored and wanted to look at a graph of the first burns with the first firmware, and I noticed that the Certified Write Speed stated 12X. I decided to look at all of the DVD's from that spindle to see, and I realized that only the first 4 were 12X Certified while the rest was 8X. Talk about being pissed @ Verbatim GEEEEEEzzzz

[HAMP]

Something else has been brought up about Verbatim putting 2 media codes in 1 spindle.

00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 4D 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 .......MCC.....0
00000020 30 33 00 38 23 54 37 15 02 52 6C 02 B4 63 15 15 03.8#T7..Rl..c..
00000030 0B 0A 08 08 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 ................

If you look above and notice the "Rl..c", these disk are buring @ 8X

00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 4D 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 .......MCC.....0
00000020 30 33 00 38 23 54 37 12 02 42 6E 02 A8 6B 15 15 03.8#T7..Bn..k..
00000030 0B 0B 08 08 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 ................

and if you notice the "Bn..k" these are burning @ 12X

Both of these are Verbatim MCC as you can see and both were in the same spindle but they have a bit of a code difference.

[hech54]

I don't get it. They were advertised as 8x. You bought them as advertised at 8x....and they burn at the advertised speed of 8x.
So what is the problem?

[HAMP]

The problem is, when I bought the drive, it had Verbatim 8X as a recommended DVD to push as 12X. Verbatim 8X since changed to compatible, I wonder if this is the reason Plextor took Verbatim 8X off of there "Recommended" list!!!!!!

Also the reason for this POST, check the title of the thread

"Example of Media being different in a spindle"

[PJGS]

The media is advertised as 8x and u are angry because it fails to burn at 12x?.

[HAMP]

Yea I am, They have a return policy right? If I buy them and not happy I can return right? but If I use so many of them out of the pile, they not gonna take back half a spindle or with so many missing. If I knew that down the spindle was something less then what was the first DVD, then I would have returned. Yes I am pissed, Why do they have 2 different Media Codes in 1 spindle, and I am not the first to notice this. I do agree if it says 8X then burn @ 8X, then why put some of the Media with Write Descriptor 12X, I could have made the decision to buy another brand with the FULL spindle with 12X Write Descriptor and advertised as 8X such as Taiyo Yuden, Ricoh and Maxell, but as I stated before, they were pulled off of the recommended list, so im not the only 1 who is thinking something is wrong.....

[TerminalVeloCD]

I don't understand. They're advertised at 8x, they work at 8x. What's the big problem? 12x burning on 8x media should only be considered as a bonus.

Regards,
TerminalVeloCD

[HAMP]

12x burning on 8x media should only be considered as a bonus.

No it should not be considered a bonus, I check into media before I buy, Verbatim had a 12X Write Descriptor with the top disk, they either should all have them or none of them, NOT some or just the top few. Give me a chance to return or choose another brand, NOT use some and then find that the rest does not have the same quality as the beginning of the spindle.

[Cobra]

If the media is advertised as 8x then you probably can't return it because it doesn't burn at 12x. The fact that you recieved some 12x discs should be considered a bonus, but nothing more.

Just because you were told you could potentially push the media higher than the rating does not mean Verbatim have to live up to it. They said you were buying 8x capable media, and that's what they have provided. 12x is also 8x capable, and so they haven't let you down.

I bought an AMD Athlon XP2500 CPU a few months back, as a lot of people said that they can reach XP3200 speeds easily. Mine didn't. Do you think AMD would take it back? I don't think so. It's the same with your media.

Cobra

[HAMP]

I bought an AMD Athlon XP2500 CPU a few months back, as a lot of people said that they can reach XP3200 speeds easily. Mine didn't. Do you think AMD would take it back?

Two diffrent things, you are talking about OC. I'm talking about having 2 different Media codes in a spindle.

1. You buy the spindle
2. You open it, and check the media codes
3. You like, you keep
4. You dont like, you take back

Not use 5 or 6 of them and try and take back, thats not gonna happen. IF they are not gonna use 12X write then dont put it on any disk. If I wanted to burn @ 8x, I would buy the 4X media and pay alot less. I also guess you believe burning 8X with 4X is a bonus?

If the media is advertised as 8x then you probably can't return it because it doesn't burn at 12x

I dont have to have a reason to return anything, just say I dont like it and thats good enough.

[HAMP]

AMD Athlon XP2500 CPU a few months back, as a lot of people said that they can reach XP3200 speeds easily. Mine didn't

Mine did!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cobra]

Does it say 8x or 12x on the packet?

If it says 12x then you're right, you are being ripped off.

If it says 8x then you have no legitimate reason to return the discs. Verbatim have given you what they advertised. They sold you 8x capable discs. It does not matter that some are capable of a higher speed, all are at least 8x.

Two diffrent things, you are talking about OC.

In a way, you are also overclocking. You are taking a product rated at one speed, and driving it to go faster. I know they are different but there is a parallel there in that you can't expect a higher speed, only hope.

Cobra

EDIT - Yeah, I got myself an XP Mobile which now runs at 2.34GHz - that's a 500MHz overclock. I'm very happy.

[RottenFoxBreath]

x8speed discs advertised as x8speed-and burning at x8speed! ---CHECK.
you aint got any chance of a refund,or an exchange,as they were sold for a purpose and are fit for a purpose.
there not faulty,they do exactly what they say on the tin.
if you cant burn at x12speed,then really,noone here is going to back you up,in an"x8speed dvd-rs burning at x8speed,and not at x12speed shocker."

and you have to remember,not ALL discs will work in ALL writers and all dvd standalones ALL of the time.
GET OVER IT.

[HAMP]

Does it say 8x or 12x on the packet? If it says 12x then you're right, you are being ripped off.

Never said I was ripped off, and I was not ripped off, the disk are doing as labeled. I said I was pissed because I checked the first few and they stated they were 12x write and they were(I dont consider that a bonus) but you get into the rest at a much later time, there is no return(this is what I am pissed about) I could have bought another brand, like the Yuden's I am using now, the entire spindle has a 12x write on them(I checked them)

Also what I was pissed about, was that these Verbatim were on Plextor's website as being able to do 12X(I understand that Plex stated this and not verbatim). Plextor has since taken that off of there website, which means that plextor is now saying Verbatim is not a recommended media for doing 12X with a 8X brand. Do I blame Plextor for saying it or Verbatim for changing(the answer is none of them). but the topic is called "Example of Media being different in a spindle"

I have come across so many topic of people complaining about thier drives, and some responses have been it might be the media, and that person who is complaining feel that since they had a few good burns out of the spindle, all in that spindle will burn fine. I'm just saying I have come across a spindle that had 2 media codes in it, and im not the first.

you aint got any chance of a refund,or an exchange,as they were sold for a purpose and are fit for a purpose.

I'm not sure where you live, but I dont have to have a reason to return, except for " I don't like them and they are not living up to my expectation"

[hech54]

You sure are having a hard time finding any sympathy for your heart wrenching problems aren't you?
A wise and very humorous teacher once told me:

If that is the worst problem you'll have today...you're gonna have a damn good day

[HAMP]

@ RottenFoxBreath & Cobra

After looking at you guys Spec's, I see why you 2 feel it's a bonus, you both get Pioneer burner's and that aint push any DVD's. You guys are use to buying and burning at the Certified write speed, I'M NOT, I have Plex's and they have been pushing and going beyond the number's on the label's, such as 4X=8X, 8x=12X, PowerRec and GigaRec.

[Cobra]

Well, the media is performing perfectly. If you're unhappy about Plextor telling you Verbatim 8x would work at 12x then take it up with them. This isn't Verbatim's fault - they have sold you a flawless product.

Just because you got a few higher-spec discs in a packet that was meant to be all 8x does not make it reasonable for you to complain that they aren't all of a higher spec.

If you want to burn at 12x then buy 12x media. Don't whine when you buy 8x and it won't go to 12x. It's also quite unfair that you are talking about ripping off whoever sold you those discs too.

RottenFoxBreath probably lives in the UK (as I do) where you have to have a good reason to return a product. Here, if the media was faulty then we could return it. If we bought it and didn't like the fact that we couldn't drive it to 12x (as opposed to buying 12x-rated media) then we'd be kicked out of the store and laughed at.

What you are proposing is unfair to the retailer, and personally I consider it a form of theft. They will lose money on what was a legitimate sale. Still, if you can return it under the guarantee and still not feel guilty about it then do so. But next time, buy some 12x media if you're going to burn at 12x!

Cobra

[HAMP]

You sure are having a hard time finding any sympathy for your heart wrenching problems aren't you?

hahahahahahaha, I'm not looking for any sympathy and im not trying to start a riot. It's called giving information on some experince I have had. I'm in a good mode as always.

when I bought those Verbatim's, they were $2 each, now I can get Yuden for $1 each of 8X which burns @ 12X, so it really don't matter. No more Verbatim's for me......

[Cobra]

No more Verbatim's for me......

Sorted.

[HAMP]

RottenFoxBreath probably lives in the UK (as I do)

Sorry to hear that, I live in America

If we bought it and didn't like the fact that we couldn't drive it to 12x (as opposed to buying 12x-rated media) then we'd be kicked out of the store and laughed at.

Thats kinda ruff!!!!!! Over here, if we buy something and take it home, and if we not happy with the product, we can take back and say "I'm not happy with this product, and they will refund you the money"

and it's not stealing, I'm not happy with product, take it back, sell me something I will be happy with!!!!!!

But next time, buy some 12x media if you're going to burn at 12x!

Who sells 12X, because they dont sell it over here, they sell 8X media with write code of 12X.

[HAMP]

HAMP wrote:
No more Verbatim's for me......


Sorted.

What does that mean?

[ggrussell]

we can take back and say "I'm not happy with this product, and they will refund you the money"

Which store? NOT ALL stores have such a generous return policy. You make sound as if you can do that anywhere. That certainly has not been my experience.

[pg55555]

Going back to the title of the thread, I share Hamp's concern about finding a reputable vendor as Verbatim puting two diferent media in the same spindle.

When I buy a spindle I open it and check one or two discs to verify I got what I have bought. So if there is a problem I can make a claim and have some chance of changing them.

But if after one week I start getting coasters and I find the media for the rest of the spindle is different, no change anyone would accept them back

Of course I would be changing brand / store for my future business.

In another case, if I buy 4X media and find that they are really 8X and perform flawlessly, I would run to buy another spindle and recommend them to my friends. If in the middle of the spindle I found the media is now 4X instead of 8X, I'd feel pissed, even when the media behaving at they specification.

Other issue: Ham, where are you buying the 8X Yuden at $1, with such liberal return policy? No that I will have any opportunity of buying them (I live in Argentina, where a 50 pieces spindle 4X Ritek at $1.45 each is considered a great deal and TY in unheard of) but I like to dream

Pablo

[HAMP]

I wonder if you are talking about all the stores I do it with or media stores? but

Bestbuy
Compusa
CurcuitCity
Sears

I even taken software back to

Babbages(did I spell that right? the store that sell mostly games)

If I can't return like this, I don't really shop at the stores. I check return Policy before I shop. Once I am committed to a brand then thats what I stick with. Do you live in a small town or a large city?

[HAMP]

@ pg55555

here is the link for the Yuden's

http://supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-silver-thermal-8x-dvd-plus-r-media.html

I was speaking of walk-in stores but this place seem to have a cool return policy

[pg55555]

@HAMP

supermediastore is out of stock of TY 8X +Rs. And its return policy is cool, but it charges a 15% fee for any non-defective product.

The other stores you mentioned (bestbuy, circuitcity,....) don't even carry TYs. And the price of their offerings can rival Argentina's (not really fair as I'b be comparing "full service" sores to mail order shops). And their return policy is also 15% fee for any non-defective product. And there is this "original package" issue: How do you return a shrink-wraped spindle in its original package?

But anyway the lesson form your póst should be: Check several disks from different parts of the spindle, to be sure you'd got what you expected.

[lenti_75]

WHAT'S THE POINT OF THIS POST?????
you got what they said.....


HELP>>>>

[PJGS]

I guess HAMP is right. On my way back home, I realized that my car's speedometer has 240 Km/h as the top mark but my car can't reach that speed.
I'll return it and ask for a full refund


I guess this is a serious case of too much spare/free time!.

[HAMP]

I realized that my car's speedometer has 240 Km/h as the top mark but my car can't reach that speed.

Sounds like you need a tune-up or just got a piece of a $h!T car, I'd take it back, Because it starts up and rolls down the street don't make it a car!

[HAMP]

@ pg55555

the example's of bestbuy and circuitcity was for a reply for ggrussell

where are you buying the 8X Yuden at $1,

I was just giving the link for the Yuden's

I was speaking of walk-in stores