Burning with Nero vs DVD Decrypter

[oncall]

I use DVD Shrink to rip the movie then I can either burn it with Nero (in DVD-Video) or DVD Decrypter (in ISO mode). I burned movies with Nero and DVD Decrypter and both plays fine on the DVD player.

So is there a big difference burning the movie with Nero versus DVD Decrypter?

Does burning the movie in DVD-Video different than burning it in ISO mode? Does it playback differently?

Thanks!

[bdf24]

Your opening up a can of worms
Do what works for you. If you don't have any troubles with either one then use whatever one's best for that particular time. I use both frequently with no troubles either way.

[pippas]

I've burnt with Nero - mostly OK, and ISO's with DVD Decrypter - so far, always OK!

but as bdf24 says - this is a can of worms!

[Sifaga]

DVDDecrypter is better

and the answer to the next question is

"Just Because"

[Gurm]

If you want to get complex - probes by various measurement programs of burns by both Nero and Decrypter... of the EXACT SAME source material... show that Nero is inferior in burn quality. Why that might be, I just don't know.

- Gurm

[Muppet Meat]

Its a shame DVD Decrypter cannot burn a VIDEO_TS folder, standard audio cds or anything other then image files or I would have trashed Nero a long time ago.

[wulf109]

CloneDVD has a burning module that works from VIDEO_TS folder.
But I prefer to burn with Nero,never had a problem with it's burns.

[garryheather]

If you want to get complex - probes by various measurement programs of burns by both Nero and Decrypter... of the EXACT SAME source material... show that Nero is inferior in burn quality. Why that might be, I just don't know.

Do you have any links to hand demonstrating this ? This isn't a dig at Gurm, just that since it's the recorder that determines the write strategy and not the software, I'd be interested in following this up. I've got the necessary hard and software, I'm on about articles here.

I would suspect the issue is a difference between ISO's created by DVD Decrypter and a file based author from Nero in which case it is possible there are minor differences when it comes to placement, but none that should impede playback. If this is the case, you could argue the source material is NOT the same - the original material may have come from the same disc for example, but files and an ISO is not identical since one has been processed and the other is effectively raw. In this instance, it is possible for the authouring software to place the content onto the disc in a different layout to the original which wouldn't happen with a descriptive ISO.

Most tests I have seen along these lines have been flawed in such a way, and don't take into account the processing done to the source like removal of prohibitions, file size splitting and other such "tweaks" (often made by the ripper) that may not be apparent to the user but sure as hell are to the player.

[Gurm]

It's easy enough to replicate... if you have a Liteon drive and Kprobe, you can see the difference quite easily. I'll try to find the articles, but you can go look for yourself on CDFreaks.

- Gurm

[dphirschler]

Its a shame DVD Decrypter cannot burn a VIDEO_TS folder, standard audio cds or anything other then image files or I would have trashed Nero a long time ago.

You don't need Nero. You can generate an ISO image file using Imgtool Classic (also free). So go ahead and trash it.


Darryl

[Muppet Meat]

"ImgTool Burn uses the Nero API to burn DVD root directories directly to DVD. Because the Nero API is used, you need an installed version of Nero Burning ROM"

The above is copied from the Imgtools site. http://www.coujo.de/ib/index.php?act=html_include&incl_name=download

So why bother with Imgtools if you still need Nero installed. It defeats the purpose really.

[MackemX]

apparently Imgtool burn still works after the time limit of Nero has ran out , so it's free in one respect if it's trrue

[handyguy]

Nero has a Xbox compatibility mode.

[tompika]

Nero has a Xbox compatibility mode.

It had.

[cyflyer]

One slightly 'sidetrack' question on the burning aspect of Nero. While burning my "used read buffer" reads a steady 100%, and the "buffer level" reads 97-98%. Is this the norm, or should it be otherwise ? I just had the impression that its at the extremities, which may not be so good.

[bdf24]

The higher the better.

[blinky88]

When I first started using my DVD burner I was advised by a member on this board to use the following software and method.
1. DVD Shrink to re-author, decript and backup.
2. Img Tool Classic to convert the image into 1 gig ISO files.
3. DVD Decriptor to burn the ISO.

ALL of these applications are F R E E .... since adopting this proceedure, I have not had a single coaster even though I use the cheapest media I can find (Princo 4x DVD-R). More importantly, my backups play flawlessly and it is almost impossible to see any difference between the backup and the original DVD.

This method may take 15 minutes longer however the B I G bonus is NO COASTERS.

[bdf24]

I've used this method as well. But I also have used Nero just as much and have never made any coasters. Maybe it's not "as" compatible as creating and burning an ISO image. But it still is reliable in my opinion.

[Shocker Milwaukee]

I burn with both apps & find the results equally effective.

[zod5000]

I use dvd decypter to burn all my images and nero to handle anything i get that comes as a video_ts folder. I never have any problems with either program. I couldn't be bothered to take a video_ts folder and turn it into an image just to burn it with decrypter. Nero works fine for me

and i use a crappy LG GSA-4040b burner

[dphirschler]

"ImgTool Burn uses the Nero API to burn DVD root directories directly to DVD. Because the Nero API is used, you need an installed version of Nero Burning ROM"

The above is copied from the Imgtools site. http://www.coujo.de/ib/index.php?act=html_include&incl_name=download

So why bother with Imgtools if you still need Nero installed. It defeats the purpose really.

ImgTool CLASSIC. I have never installed Nero. "Classic" does not require Nero.


Darryl

[akrako1]

One plus for Nero burns... there's the option to 'verify written data' (or something similar) which will examine the disc bit-for-bit and verify it's exactly as on your hdd. I don't have time to watch every movie I burn end-to-end and watch for anomalies. I burn on R04's, verify each burn, and sleep very soundly

[johns0]

Ive burned with nero,recordnow 4.5,dvd decryptor,alcohol 120%,tmpgenc dvd author and tested the results with kprobe and didnt find any noticeable differences and found nero 5.5.10.56 to burn ps2 backups with better loadups.

[Gurm]

Johns:

What DVD burner and media did you use? That makes a HUGE difference.

- Gurm

[johns0]

Gurm:
Burners i`ve used are liteon 411s and 812s and media is mxlrgo2 and RICOHJPN01 mainly.

[Gurm]

RICOHJPN is VERY GOOD media. It will of course burn largely the same regardless of what program you use.

- Gurm

[Muppet Meat]

I noticed my latest vesion of DVD Decrypter doesnt recognize my drives while in ASPI mode with Adaptec ASPI installed on my system. To remedy this problem I found the Nero ASPI DLL file from the Nero site and I put that file in the DVD Decrypter folder and DVD Decrypter recognizes my drives in ASPI mode now finally. Did anyone else have this issue at all with adaptec's ASPI.
Im guessing I dont understand Adaptec's instructions on how to install ASPI for XP. The instructions for installation of ASPI is to use the command line but that didnt work. Hmm

[Muppet Meat]

I tried IMG Tools Classic and it asks for a VIDEO_TS when trying to create a image file. It wont make a image file from plain ole data files like text documents, zip files and mp3s I guess IMG Tools is strickly for DVD images

[Gurm]

ASPI has been a pain to install correctly since Windows XP was released. It's not you - it's Adaptec.

- Gurm

[djelimon]

rip with anydvd, split with dvdremake, burn with Nero, verify data.

What coasters I've had have all come from one very bad batch of DVD blanks.