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    Ok, I have gotten a little tired of hearing how magically delicious DVD Shrink is. So, while in no way do I wish to denigrate or belittle the work put into it, I felt that a little post about its mysteries and wonders (or lack thereof) might serve a useful purpose.

    Myth #2: DVD Shrink is "free".
    Not if you consider 'total cost of ownership'. You WILL sometimes need another ripper. That could be free (DVD Decrypter) or it could cost you money. Then you NEED a burning program. None of those are free, or very few. The only one that integrates with Shrink is Nero, and while that might have come with your drive, that can hardly be considered to be "free". Maybe it's better to say that for some people DVD Shrink has a low additional cost incurred.

    Myth #1: DVD Shrink is the best ripper out there.
    Simply not true. DVD Shrink is a GOOD ripper. There are better. I can think of three off the top of my head - AnyDVD, DVD Decrypter, and SmartRipper. I've personally used all three, and know for a fact that they all rip movies that Shrink doesn't, and that they do it FASTER than Shrink can.

    Myth #2: DVD Shrink is the only program that "gets rid of" the sticky FBI warning screens and previews you have to watch.
    Also flatly untrue. Virtually every ripper out there allows you to remove PUO's (Prohibited User Operations), those pesky things which prevent you from skipping over those screens and previews.

    Myth #3: DVD Shrink lets you "remove" those things.
    Yes and no. If you rebuild a disc and only take the main movie, DVD Shrink will let you trim it a bit. But then, of course, you lose the menus. You lose the extras. You monkey up the running time of the movie, and CAN screw up chapter jumping for the first chapter. To remove these items takes more effort than most people want to expend on making a backup. It gets ugly. Trust me.

    Myth #4: DVD Shrink lets you "remove" extras.
    Just not true. It lets you reduce them to still pictures, but they will still suck up a few hundred megs, regardless. Other transcoders let you replace them with a single image - CloneDVD, Nero Recode, and InstantCopy8 come to mind. But to completely get rid of them you need DVD Remake, maybe Menu Edit, and a lot of elbow grease.

    Myth #5: DVD Shrink makes "perfect" backups.
    It's a transcoder, people. There's only so much it can shrink the file without SERIOUS loss of quality. Anyone who says that they routinely use DVD Shrink to do 50% reductions, with all the extras, and that it's a PERFECT copy... is lying. It's a darn good transcoder, and with 3.2 it'll be an even BETTER transcoder, but it is NOT a re-encoder and hence it CANNOT do well at compression rates over 25% or so. Will it do "well enough" to make you happy? Sure, maybe. But don't pretend that it's "perfect". I don't care if you have a "50 inch plasma tube" or a "75 foot projection football field" and can't see the difference - your obliviousness to artifacting is irrelevant.

    Myth #6: DVD Shrink is worlds better than ... (Insert other transcoder here).
    It depends on the movie, the compression level, and the price of tea in china. Version 3.2 may very well be better than most. IC8, on the other hand, has always had a leg up due to their long processing time. CloneDVD excels in certain scenarios. DVD2One is better at hitting the target size. They all have their ups and downs. But DVD Shrink is ... FREE, which makes it attractive. But please stop with the damn comparisons.

    Myth #7: DVD Shrink has ... (Insert mythical feature X here).
    It's a TRANSCODER. It rips and shrinks movies. That's it. It does NOT walk your dog. It does NOT play the piano. It does NOT do your calculus homework.

    Myth #8: DVD Shrink is "easier to use" than any other program.
    It's pretty easy. Then again, so is DVD Decrypter. CloneDVD is easier. It's not a "one click" solution. It's not even a "two click" solution. It's a "several click" solution.

    Myth #9: DVD Shrink is an all-in-one program.
    Nope. You need Nero in order to burn. And sometimes you need DVD Decrypter to rip, if Shrink's ripping engine can't hack a particular movie.

    Myth #10: People who talk smack about DVD Shrink are stupid.
    Nope. We just know more than you.

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  4. Cool post. I have and use all of the free rippers, but use DVD Shrink to backup commercial DVD's. I guess it seems like the easiest one to use. Most of the time, I rip and save the movie only without menus, subtitles, commentaries, additional languages, extras, etc. I try to minimize compression as much as possible rather than save all the other BS. Some DVD's (like many Disney titles) have a complete full frame and widescreen version on a single DVD-9, so I save one of each version at 100%. I personally haven't run in to a commercial DVD that Shrink wouldn't rip.

    If it is a high bitrate, relatively low-motion film that is not too long (like Mystic River, for example), even if I have to compress 30-35% to fit to a single DVD-R it still looks pretty darn good (not as good as the original, of course). It depends on the length of the movie, how much action there is and the original bitrate/file size. Long movies (over 2 hours 20 minutes) I usually have to split with DVD-Fab or the quality suffers too much.

    When it's done, I have the typical IFO and BUP files (two each) - plus one set of VOB's which as far as I can tell contain only the MPEG2 of the movie (with chapter stops). You mention Shrink really doesn't get rid of all that other stuff when you re-author... where is it? Or am I misunderstanding your point?
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    Thanks Gurm, I always wondered what a PUO was
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    Originally Posted by gshelley61
    I personally haven't run in to a commercial DVD that Shrink wouldn't rip.
    I have.

    When it's done, I have the typical IFO and BUP files (two each) - plus one set of VOB's which as far as I can tell contain only the MPEG2 of the movie (with chapter stops). You mention Shrink really doesn't get rid of all that other stuff when you re-author... where is it? Or am I misunderstanding your point?
    No no. When you re-author, the extras and menus are gone. If the FBI Warnings and/or previews are part of the menus, they're gone. If they're attached to the main movie, they're still there.

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    lol , hit the nail on the head a few times there Gurm, some good points raised

    regarding comparision debates all the time that you see in forums, if people want to do a 'true' comparion then think about it as if the other tools were also 'free'

    other tools may be better than some in certain areas but the fact they cost more or less money shouldn't affect how you rate it's performace and features etc . The money part comes into it when you think about whether this price is worth the little extra you may get in other tools and for some it is

    look at Recode which is Shrink and a little more and in parts a little less but Recode costs $'s. Does it mean all it's performance and features are suddenly worse than Shrink's though? What if Recode was free, how would people compare the two then?

    $ for $ Shrink may well be worth it but for some it's still worth paying the $'s for other software and for some it isn't. It will never change but it's amazing how a price can affect peope's judgements on performance and features sometimes

    also why is that if one program takes a click less than another (all of one nanosecond) it is better than another? . Most programs require very little user 'time' once you know the basics. It mostly depends on user 'effort' with most transcoders these days

    it's nothing to do with DVD's but what baffles me also is why do people buy fancy bottled water when its free from a tap (apart from water rates of course)? It's because they want extra bits I suppose as it suits them for whatever reasons and its the same thing in most places. Why do people buy really expensive toilet roll to wipe their ass with?

    as mentioned each program excels in a particular field in a particular situation so what works for one user doesn't necessarily work for the next guy. The day everyone accepts this, is the day the flame war comparisions will cease to exist
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    Personally I just use DVD REBUILDER for backups of my fav dvd movies which have stunning results. For some movies DVD SHRINK just doesn't cut it. This is just in my opinion. Anyway bottom line is use whatever program works the best for you.
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    Myths #1 & #2 I couldn't agree more.

    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Myth #3: DVD Shrink lets you "remove" those things.
    Yes and no. If you rebuild a disc and only take the main movie, DVD Shrink will let you trim it a bit. But then, of course, you lose the menus. You lose the extras. You monkey up the running time of the movie, and CAN screw up chapter jumping for the first chapter. To remove these items takes more effort than most people want to expend on making a backup. It gets ugly. Trust me.

    Myth #4: DVD Shrink lets you "remove" extras.
    Just not true. It lets you reduce them to still pictures, but they will still suck up a few hundred megs, regardless. Other transcoders let you replace them with a single image - CloneDVD, Nero Recode, and InstantCopy8 come to mind. But to completely get rid of them you need DVD Remake, maybe Menu Edit, and a lot of elbow grease.
    If the extras are a crock of shit, I do movie only. Movie Only generally gets rid of the FBI warnings. It also removes extras ...... altogether
    So people saying this are technically correct in this context.


    Myths #5 & #6 I couldn't agree more.


    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Myth #7: DVD Shrink has ... (Insert mythical feature X here).
    It's a TRANSCODER. It rips and shrinks movies. That's it. It does NOT walk your dog. It does NOT play the piano. It does NOT do your calculus homework.
    I'm interested to hear what tales you have heard, Gurm. Care to share ?


    Myths #8 & #9 & #10 I couldn't agree more.


    I think a lot of the comparisons between transcoders come from NOOBs that are oblivious to the fact that these things have been done to death by possibly millions of people before them. Gurm, can you add or edit to include side by side still frame comparisons ?


    The most important part of all of these myths IMO is that they probably need the words "...for me..." added to the end of them to make them opinions, as opposed to untruths as such.
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    I agree with your sentiment about DVD Shrink. I use DVD Shrink from time to time, but for movie only (I know I'm going to get slammed for this) DVD X Copy gives me what I need without having to mess with any settings. Yes, I know, I'm lazy. I still rip with DVD Decrypter before anything else. That's the first thing I do once the shrink-wrap comes off. Going back and forth between the two I hardly ever saw a great difference between the output from DVD Shrink and DVD X Copy. Aside from that, I don't need Nero (which is a bit bulky) to burn my movie and it only takes 3 or 4 minutes to 'rip' before it burns. I like Shrink for some things. But it does seem in most forums, people speak of it as the be all and end all of anything but high-end authoring. I get the feeling a lot of people get turned on to Shrink as soon as they get here and try to do any and everything possible with it, whether it's meant to do it or not.
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    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Myth #1: DVD Shrink is the best ripper out there.
    Yes it IS!

    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Myth #2: DVD Shrink is the only program that "gets rid of" the sticky FBI warning screens and previews you have to watch.
    Actually, it will even get rid of the FBI (DVDShrink 4.0 Patriot Act Version)

    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Myth #3: DVD Shrink lets you "remove" those things.
    Yes, remove those "things"! This is a family site.

    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Myth #4: DVD Shrink lets you "remove" extras.
    Yes it does let you "remove" them, as opposed to remove.

    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Myth #5: DVD Shrink makes "perfect" backups.
    It DOES! Macroblocks are the true myth. You just need the KVCD plugin for best results.


    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Myth #6: DVD Shrink is worlds better than ... (Insert other transcoder here).
    Hasbro's My First Transcoder.


    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Myth #7: DVD Shrink has ... (Insert mythical feature X here).
    ...secret knowledge where all the WMDs are hidden.


    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Myth #8: DVD Shrink is "easier to use" than any other program.
    Is so!

    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Myth #9: DVD Shrink is an all-in-one program.
    NOT A MYTH! It has word-processing and spreadsheet capabilities.

    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Myth #10: People who talk smack about DVD Shrink are stupid.
    Nope. We just know more than you.
    Stupid-heads! It's Stupid-heads, I keep telling you.
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    I find that dvdshrink will rip movies where smartripper will skip vobs due to the ifo structure of certain movies such as Rose Red plus screw up on blank cells.
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    Nero Recode - $50
    DVDRemake - $25
    Menuedit - $17
    DVD2One - $40
    CloneDVD - $50

    DVDShrink - FREE
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    FREE <> BEST (all the time), it's only sometimes

    FREE = CHEAPEST and only that is a 100% 'true' fact . In fact maybe it isn't true as I'm sure the InstantCopy rebate was once more than you could buy it for in some places (or was it just the same?)

    the price of software (and most other things in life) is just one of the many factors to consider but if something is 'free' I don't let it cloud my judgement of all the other features


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    Free isn't always better.

    Your mom will GIVE you her beat up old Ford Escort, but for a few hundred bucks you can BUY a more reliable car.

    It's a matter of what a given item is WORTH.

    If, however, you have rich parents who can GIVE you their used BMW or Volvo... then yeah free is better. LOL.

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    I use DVD Shrink and am very happy with it. I have never associated it with any "myths" but I would recommend it to other people because in my opinion, it is an, easy and fast to use program that produces good results. There may be programs that are a little more advanced in terms of features or decrypt or compress faster. But my results are excellent and I am very serious about my DVDs. Anyway, you can have your opinions Sargent but don't be obnoxious about it.
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    "I use DVD Shrink and am very happy with it. I have never associated it with any "myths" but I would recommend it to other people because in my opinion, it is an, easy and fast to use program that produces good results. There may be programs that are a little more advanced in terms of features or decrypt or compress faster. But my results are excellent and I am very serious about my DVDs. Anyway, you can have your opinions Sargent but don't be obnoxious about it."

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    I always recommend DVD shrink to my newbie friends (most of them will be able to use them without asking me any questions) and if they have trouble ripping, then DVD decrypter which I need to explain how they could use it!
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    Look, I'm simply dispelling the myths. I can't count the number of posts lately where people have said "oh you can use DVD Shrink for that".

    I was prompted to do this by someone posting how they had used DVD Shrink to back up a disc to a DUAL LAYER +R MEDIA.

    My response was "why bother?" - why bother wasting your time running the DVD through shrink when you could pop it in, hit "copy" (or Read and the Write) and be done with it?

    And I got crap from the Shrink fanatics. "it's easier to use shrink! it's faster to use shrink! there are less clicks involved! it's cheaper!"

    Well it isn't all that AND a bag of donuts. It's just a good solid program.

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    Myth number #1- "Free isn't always better. "

    It's always better if price is your primary concern.
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    It's not always better. It's not really as though price is anyone's "primary concern". Maybe you're willing to accept the shortcomings of something because you can't afford something better, but that's not the same thing.

    You can get a Ford Escort from your mom for free. It barely runs, and you'll spend more money fixing it than you make each week, but it was FREE. Now, you could instead spend a few hundred at the used car lot for a more reliable vehicle with an extended warranty...

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    Originally Posted by Sam Ontario
    I always recommend DVD shrink to my newbie friends (most of them will be able to use them without asking me any questions) and if they have trouble ripping, then DVD decrypter which I need to explain how they could use it!
    I don't want to be argumentive but I do find it hard to believe they ask how to rip with DVDDecrypter, as you did mention if they have problems ripping with DVDShrink they use DVDDecrypter

    in my ancient guide HERE it shows how to select all files but there is an option to Select all files automatically, so let's look at the process if it is set to all files

    start DVDDecrypter
    tell it which Drive you want, normally automatic after you do it once
    press the green button if you are happy ripping it to the HD with the greatest space

    is it honestly really that hard to do? as I cannot really see what would need to explained if they can use DVDShrink

    on most occasions it's only 2 clicks, 1 to open DVDDecrypter and 1 to start the rip if you are not bothered about where it goes. If people want to be really clever then create a simple .bat file that starts DVDDecrypter and rips instantly making it a 'one click' DVD ripper

    if anyone is interested in being real lazy or does not know how to use DVDDecrypter when ripping a DVD then you could use this line in notepad and save it as DVDDecrypter.bat

    C:\PROGRA~1\DVDDECRYPTER.EXE /MODE FILES /FILES ALL /OVERWRITE YES /START
    this assumes you have DVDDecrypter.exe in C:\Program files and you just want to use the drive listed in DVDDecrypter when you start it and rip to the drive with the largest space

    C:\PROGRA~1\DVDDECRYPTER.EXE /MODE FILES /FILES ALL /SRC D: /DEST "C:\RIP" /OVERWRITE YES /START
    this will rip the DVD from your stated DVD-ROM (D:, change to the same drive letter as your DVD-ROM) to your stated destination (C:\RIP, change to your default destination folder) overwriting any files (folder should be empty anyway )
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    > It's not always better. It's not really as though price is anyone's "primary concern". Maybe you're willing to accept the shortcomings of something because you can't afford something better, but that's not the same thing.

    If someone is willing to accept the shortcomings because they can't afford something better, then price is their primary concern.

    Maybe you just needed to define "better" better. A general desciption of "better" doesn't necessarily mean "the best quality in the end result.

    To use your car example- is a $200,000 Rolls Royce "better" than a $30,000 Ford pickup truck? Maybe- but not if you're going to use it to haul garbage.
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    Originally Posted by Gurm
    I was prompted to do this by someone posting how they had used DVD Shrink to back up a disc to a DUAL LAYER +R MEDIA.
    Yeah, I remember that one (not long ago). My reaction:

    But I think that is a general misconception with some people (about which tools to use).
    Maybe along the lines of:
    person 1 - I need to edit a 3k DOS text document.
    person 2 - Use Adobe Pagemaker
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    Originally Posted by Supreme2k
    Yeah, I remember that one (not long ago). My reaction:

    But I think that is a general misconception with some people (about which tools to use).
    Maybe along the lines of:
    person 1 - I need to edit a 3k DOS text document.
    person 2 - Use Adobe Pagemaker
    nice example

    why use Wordpad or MS Word to edit a simple .txt file instead of notepad? could be another variation of it
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    Originally Posted by Gurm
    Free isn't always better.

    Your mom will GIVE you her beat up old Ford Escort, but for a few hundred bucks you can BUY a more reliable car.

    It's a matter of what a given item is WORTH.

    If, however, you have rich parents who can GIVE you their used BMW or Volvo... then yeah free is better. LOL.

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    I personally never said DVDShrink was better because it was free....I was just making an easier to read list of some of the software mentioned.
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    here's a good question then

    does anyone think the software listed is overpriced? and don't say all but DVDShrink because it's 'free' lol

    I don't think any are apart from maybe one being just a little over (say 10%) I'd rather not mention names due to disagreements and maybe it's better if others don't
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    This thread is a load of laughs.

    Its time I put my 2 cents in. First of all, I think DVDShrink is great! Not because its easy to use or because it produces the best quality, not even because its free. Its because you can do things with it that 99% of the people wouldnt think of with it. It truly is a powerful little app.

    A while back I decided to backup Return of the King. I used DVDShrink to do the main movie only. Everything went OK, but I thought that 55% compression was a bit low (the movie was 3 hrs). So I decided to do it the old fashion way, I rencoded it manually. I ripped the movie only using Shrink to one single Vob (about 7 GiGs w/ 100% compression) I then demuxed the Vob to m2v and ac3 with Rejig. I opened the m2v in VirtualDub-Mod and FrameServed it out to MainConcept encoder 7 hrs latter I had a nice rencoded m2v that was 4 Gigs.

    Problem: The movie industry through a monkey wrench in there. It encoded the first 3 sec @ 30i and the rest of the movie @ 24p. I of course rencoded the whole movie @ 24p. Can you guess the results? Audio sync issues baby! I could have coped out and did the easy route (change ac3 to wave and add 4/10 of a sec of silence in the beginning) but then Id have to reconvert to ac3 and end up with a best of 2- channel ac3 file (not good). I could have imported the m2v file into Premiere and cut about 4/10 of a sec off the beginning, but the Id have to rencode the whole thing again (not good). Can you guess what I did?

    I used DVDShrink to crop the first 16 frames off the beginning of the movie and saved w/ 100% compression. It worked perfectly, it was just black frames before the logo anyways. I was also able to extract the animated menu with Shrink, then I rencoded it with my own buttons and authored it in DVD-Lab using my own chapter points. The DVD came out perfect, you cant do that with other rippers.

    Believe it or not, the version I made using DVDShrink only looked every bit as good as the manually rencoded version. Whats the moral of that story? Just use DVDShrink and forget about it!

    Another great use for Shrink: Say you want to rip a scene out of a movie to use in your own videos, like an exploding building for instance. You can use Shrink to crop out the scene only, demux the Vob to m2v and ac3, convert ac3 to wav, then import to your NLE. Sure you can use DVDDecryptor, but youll have to rip the whole chapter.

    All the other rippers could be free, but Id still only use DVDDectyptor and DVDShrink. Theyd have to pay me to use anything else!

    Just my 2 cents worth.
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    nobody's really comparing authoring between the two, it's the ripping, burning and user clicks that seems to be the main issue in a few threads at the minute

    I think the start/end cropping is a brilliant feature 8) though I do guess myth 3 does mean something if you are doing a 1:1

    I would use all the free tools if they did everything I require to the standard I want, in the way I want but sadly this never seems to be the case with every 'free' software on a PC

    that's why hybrid methods are cool 8)

    If someone did make the all in one ultimate tool that satisfied 99.99% of people then they would be stupid to release it for free

    one thing I'm very appreciative of DVDShrink being free is that it has maintained/brought/kept (whatever) the cost of the most DVD backup software down to a reasonable level. How much was DVDXCopy when it first came out? $100? and again with the $58 CCE basic instead of $2000 , so imagine what they would cost now if DVDShrink didn't exist
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