When do you do a Deep Analysis in Shrink ?

[scottb721]

What is the minimum compression value you'll accept for the main movie before deciding a Deep Analysis is called for?

What other factors influence your decision to run a DA ?

[Gurm]

Lately I always use it (PC speeds go up, IDCT stays the same, hehe!), but as a general rule I would say 75-80%. However, it really does depend on the movie and where I intend to play it.

- Gurm

[Cholerabob]

Never...Use Big3 instead

[Darth Paris]

%100

[Gurm]

Big3? Wow.

*sigh* Must refrain from pointing out irony of fact that someone who can afford $50k in software could probably also afford duplicate DVD's. *sigh*

- Gurm

[Cholerabob]

50K ? CCE basic is 58$.....

[Sifaga]

90% and below

[RowMan]

When I decide to back-up a particular DVD, time really isn't of the essence. I use DA all of the time just to make sure I'm getting the best quality copy possible with the software.

[Sifaga]

Are there people that use Deep Analysis when its 100% ?

just curious

[ricky1756]

i used it on analyse this

[Madz]

Are there people that use Deep Analysis when its 100% ? just curious

I find that Deep Analysis is grayed out when I get 100% (movie smaller than disk capacity) for reauthor. I always use it for any smaller percentage. Never hurts.

[MackemX]

didn't the big 3 consist of Doitfast4u, CCE, Scenarist?

CCE hasn't always had the basic version and Scenarist was 20K plus last time I saw though it was 35K plus one time I think

so when people mention the big 3, it does raise an eyebrow as Gurm rightly mentioned, especially previous to the basic CCE version

I would always use Deep Analysis, why wouldn't you unless you were at your PC 24/7

[overloaded_ide]

Most the disks I backup I don't want extra's or forieng language on anyway. I find quality is about the same for the movie if I just shrink the junk to the max it will shrink and kill the extra audio I don't want or use at all. So normally I never use DA!

Sometimes I watch the extras after shrinking to the max, their ok too generally, sometimes not great quality but watchable if I actually want too.
Movie seems to be fine all the time, can't tell it was shrunk.

[freestyler]

Anyone know if there's a porno flick named Deep Analysis, so I could deeply analyze it and post some samples of the compression?

Seriously though, I always use DA when the movie is dual layer. Just a rule of thumb for me.

[Gurm]

Yeah, thanks for the clarification Mac.

Scenarist has, until recently, hovered around $35,000 (yes, thirty-five THOUSAND dollars) to license. And CCE Basic hasn't always been an option. So that left CCE SP ($1,500) or Pro (LOTS OF MONEY). So it does raise a bit of an eyebrow when someone casually mentions using the Big3 exclusively as a home user...

- Gurm

[888888]

I always use DA when any compression is involved. I am obsessive when it comes to issue of perfection vs time.

[Gurm]

Well, supposedly in Shrink 3.2 the analysis is supposed to get even BETTER, although at a cost of time.

So instead of doing DA in 45 minutes, and transcoding in another 15, followed by however long it takes to burn (15 minutes at 4x)... it'll be a couple hours of analysis. Maybe even 3 from what I'm hearing, but it'll allow you to achieve nearly flawless results at compression ratios as high as 30-35%, which is AMAZING.

- Gurm

[ddlooping]

Hi all.

So instead of doing DA in 45 minutes, and transcoding in another 15, followed by however long it takes to burn (15 minutes at 4x)... it'll be a couple hours of analysis.

Well, the Deep Analysis will not be any slower/faster than it's ever been.
The new "Quality Options" settings are the ones that actually lengthen the transcoding process.

When selected, these options will automatically kick-in when the compresion required gets to 30% or thereabout.
For anything below that (Ratio > 70%), v3.2 will behave as v3.1.7 and be as fast.

[noki]

ddlooping
thanks for the info. you mentioned 3.2 might be out this week. any update as to the timeline? thanks again for all inside info on DVD Shrink!

[duhmez]

50K ? CCE basic is 58$.....

Busted! Big 3 supports only CCE Sp = $1995.00

[ddlooping]

noki, v3.2 release was indeed scheduled for this week-end, but dvdshrink has decided to try and improve the quality of the new compression algorithm even more.

ETA is now sometime next week.

[Gurm]

50K ? CCE basic is 58$.....

Busted! Big 3 supports only CCE Sp = $1995.00

D'oh!

Some people should learn to just keep their mouths shut.

- Gurm

[Stuporman]

noki, v3.2 release was indeed scheduled for this week-end, but dvdshrink has decided to try and improve the quality of the new compression algorithm even more.

ETA is now sometime next week.

Oh I can't wait!

[bdf24]

I'll do it 99% or higher. Why not. Just let it go and walk away. I've got three kids running around. So it's not like I don't have anything better to do then sit in front of the computer and watch it take forever to finish. Hell most of the time I just rip them to the drive and don't even get around to burning them onto DVDr's for a few days, sometimes a week or so.

[adam]

50K ? CCE basic is 58$.....

Busted! Big 3 supports only CCE Sp = $1995.00

The big 3 just means Doitfast4u, CCE, and Scenarist. If neither DoCCE4u nor BatchCCE support the basic versions of CCE, (I'll take your word for it) then you just have to do the encoding manually in CCE. You can still use the "Big 3 Method" with CCE Basic and I know that you can use DoCCE4u and BatchCCE with CCE trial versions too, if you don't mind the logo.

I always do the encoding in CCE manually anyways. CCE supports batch encoding, so a frontend isn't all that useful in my opinion, though Do/Batch CCE is still a great program and it is necessary to turn the "big 3" into a 1 button process. Otherwise its more of a 3 button process.

[Byronleehk]

Are there people that use Deep Analysis when its 100% ?

just curious

I use DA everytime.

[Shocker Milwaukee]

At 100%, no transcoding takes place. At this point, Deep Analysis is not a an option (it is greyed-out).

[DVD_Ripper]

Always... it will increase the quality of the 'shrunk' movie... Looking forward to the next version Gurm mentioned.

[Gurm]

50K ? CCE basic is 58$.....

Busted! Big 3 supports only CCE Sp = $1995.00

The big 3 just means Doitfast4u, CCE, and Scenarist. If neither DoCCE4u nor BatchCCE support the basic versions of CCE, (I'll take your word for it) then you just have to do the encoding manually in CCE. You can still use the "Big 3 Method" with CCE Basic and I know that you can use DoCCE4u and BatchCCE with CCE trial versions too, if you don't mind the logo.

I always do the encoding in CCE manually anyways. CCE supports batch encoding, so a frontend isn't all that useful in my opinion, though Do/Batch CCE is still a great program and it is necessary to turn the "big 3" into a 1 button process. Otherwise its more of a 3 button process.

Ok, so you can use CCE Basic ($50 vs. $1500). So that lowers the total cost of legally using the Big3 from $36500 to $35050. Still a WEE bit pricey for the average user, eh?

- Gurm

P.S. To stay on topic, the release of Shrink 3.2 seems to have been pushed to this week sometime.

[adam]

Ok, so you can use CCE Basic ($50 vs. $1500). So that lowers the total cost of legally using the Big3 from $36500 to $35050. Still a WEE bit pricey for the average user, eh?

Without a doubt. Scenarist really isn't an option for the average user and it really isn't a viable option just for backing up DVDs, but if you've got it why not use it? I don't see anything ironic about using Scenarist to backup your DVDs. If you spend that much on an authoring program I'd expect that you'd use it for all your authoring needs however trivial any given project may be.