JVC DR-M10SL user's thread: techniques and tips

[videobuyr]

I dont understand -TITLE DELETION - If you are NOT able to Erase
a DVD-R . Why is it when you delete a title, the disk says " EMPTY"
Isint that the same as erasing ? Is the disk really blank ?

[gshelley61]

Oh, I see. DVD-R. Hmmm... in that case, no. Whatever was burned is still physically on the disc. Now, whether you can get to it after deleting the title - I don't know. Maybe on your computer? Perhaps you will be able to see all the files that way, and then maybe extract the one you are talking about.

[gshelley61]

maybe encode at FR 1 hour 30 minutes using two DVD-RW's

Why do you need two DVD-RWs ? I thought FR means for that available space you specify the time of video and then the recorder finds best possible VBR for that time.
Please clarify
Thanks because I just ordered my JVC-DR-10s
Thanks again

What TheMadHatter asked about is something I've noticed as well. I just recorded a 118 minute movie using the FR 1 hour 50 minute setting (there is a bit of leeway in those times - about 8 to 10 extra minutes can actually be recorded using the 1 hour 50 minute setting before it stops). You would think that should "max out" the file size of the MPEG2, but it doesn't. This most recent one resulted in a final DVD that was 4.16GB, somewhat below the 4.46GB maximium. I think the extra room is there so that cheap DVD media will record OK in the JVC... poor quality writeable DVD's tend to crap out at the end of a max file size burn.

So, to push the file size a bit larger in the interest of improved video quality, you could record at a little bit shorter FR setting and spread it over two DVD-RW's. Then, just edit them together and author the final DVD on the computer, trying not to exceed the 4.46GB maximum.

[ejai]

I've just recently started noticing the "LOADING" statement popping up while I'm recording, causing the unit to shut down. I've been using the JVC for a little over a month now and have experienced this statement at least 6 times. The "LOADING" statement has appeared 4 times in the last 7 days.

I have no idea what it is that is causing the unit to shut down and startup again. I have taken note that some people who have also experienced this bizarre behavior with the JVC. I was wondering if anyone knows what could be causing this to happen.

[lordsmurf]

My 4-hour recordings, full disc, usually take up 4.27GB of the DVD-RW.
That's close enough to a full disc.

[gshelley61]

I've just recently started noticing the "LOADING" statement popping up while I'm recording, causing the unit to shut down. I've been using the JVC for a little over a month now and have experienced this statement at least 6 times. The "LOADING" statement has appeared 4 times in the last 7 days.

I have no idea what it is that is causing the unit to shut down and startup again. I have taken note that some people who have also experienced this bizarre behavior with the JVC. I was wondering if anyone knows what could be causing this to happen.

It happened once for me - after I disconnected the power form the unit for a few minutes, when I plugged it back in the "LOADING" message flashed for about 15-20 seconds. Then it came back up normally and has not done it since. I wonder if power surges/dips or something like that could be causing the problem?

[ejai]

Thanks I will try that now.

[ejai]

I turned it off for over 30 minutes and plugged it back in and tried again. Same problem the unit shuts off after about 1 hour and 20 minutes, the movie is 2 hours and 10 minutes. My settings are set to FR-135 which is more than enough time.

I decided to unplug it last night and plug it back in today. I am trying again but this time I am using a different movie and different -RW. It's staring to get really annoying. I must admit I never had so much trouble with the Panasonic unit in which I have sitting on a desk not being used at all.

I feel like plugging the Panasonic back in, ( I know the quality in most cases isn't as good as the JVC but I never had so mcuh trouble).

It almost feels as if I'm back to computer recording. I've already past my 30 day trial period, the way I feel right now I would return it. Yes it records well but I feel it has a few kinks that need to be worked out.

[gshelley61]

You should give JVC tech support/service a call. Maybe they know about this issue and have a fix. Have a close look at the -RW you were using, too. Maybe there is a problem with the media itself. It sounds like the recorder might be having trouble with that particular disc.

[ejai]

Thats why I changed it and the movie as well. I have it recording at this moment. I am hoping it goes all the way through this time. I will report back as to what happened. Thanks again.

[gshelley61]

What brand of -RW's are you using? I have been recording to the Memorex -RW's I got from Wal-Mart without any problems so far... I just "maxed" one of them out last night (wrote 4.46GB on it with the JVC).

[ejai]

I've been using TDK since I had the unit. Only now the unit cuts off and the disk is empty. I tried to use RAM and it keeps making artifact errors on the video. The ram disks are Panasonic brand.

With all signs considered it seems as if the unit has crapped out. It took about a month to do so, I used it everyday for several hours at a time. I only wish I was able to send it back. My Panasonic works like a champ.

Well I'll give the store I bought it from a call and try to see about returning it for a replacement or getting it fixed.

I will no longer tell anyone to buy this product, first impressions are lasting impressions.

[gshelley61]

Sorry you are having problems. Since it is barely over the 30 day return policy, I would insist that the retailer swap you for a new one. They can worry about fixing the broken one.

[ejai]

I tried calling Goodguys.com and asked them if they could exchange it or send it in for repair. They said they can't do anything after 30 days, I will have to get in touch with JVC and use the warranty. This sucks.

[JSquare]

ejai,

I experienced the same problem a couple of times but after un-plugging the unit from AC(as gshelley61 suggested you) is working fine so far.

[ejai]

I haven't given up hope I'm still trying.

[ejai]

Good News so far! I did as you said and went to CircuitCity and purchased new TDK and Memorex DVD-RWs and so far the first dvd worked fine. I was able to record the full 2hr 10min video.

I also purchased a dvd cleaner set just in case the disks are the problem.

Thanks again for the suggestions. The unit hasn't shut off yet, so far it looks as if the JVC is very picky about the condition of the disks, more so than the Panasonic.

[gshelley61]

After cleaning/resurfacing your older -RW's, maybe try formatting them in the computer, then re-format with the JVC. Perhaps that will help, too.

[nysoftwareman]

30 day trial period, the way I feel right now I would return it. Yes it records well but I feel it has a few kinks that need to be worked out.

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[ejai]

It happened again while trying to copy the same video that gave it trouble before. I'm wondering if the tape is feeding a signal to the recorder that is causing it to fail. The reason I say that is because it seems to happen at the same location each time.

I have 2 different vhs recorders. I am now trying to tape the same movie using the other vcr. Before I did this I tried another movie and it copied fine. This has me a little confused, but if my theory is correct the tape might be the culprit. The other strange thing is that I made a copy of this same tape using the JVC a week ago. Also the Panasonic is able to copy it right now with no problems. I'll report my findings.

[gshelley61]

It happened again while trying to copy the same video that gave it trouble before. I'm wondering if the tape is feeding a signal to the recorder that is causing it to fail. The reason I say that is because it seems to happen at the same location each time.

I have 2 different vhs recorders. I am now trying to tape the same movie using the other vcr. Before I did this I tried another movie and it copied fine. This has me a little confused, but if my theory is correct the tape might be the culprit. The other strange thing is that I made a copy of this same tape using the JVC a week ago. Also the Panasonic is able to copy it right now with no problems. I'll report my findings.

I hadn't thought of that... but it does sound possible. Maybe if too many frames are dropped or something like that, the JVC hiccups. Let us know.

BTW, I guess we must be nearly rid of this nysoftinthehead f*cker by now..

[ejai]

Well after buying new disks and changing the movie I still get the same problem the unit, it shuts down after 1hr and 57mins. Something is definately wrong with the recorder. I will send it in for servicing.

[lordsmurf]

Maybe you got dirt in it. A cleanig may help, but good luck pulling that thing apart. I tried to open it to find the chips and drive model, but figured "f--- that" after I opened it only to see an inner case.

[gitreel]

30 day trial period, the way I feel right now I would return it. Yes it records well but I feel it has a few kinks that need to be worked out.


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[ejai]

Maybe you got dirt in it. A cleanig may help, but good luck pulling that thing apart. I tried to open it to find the chips and drive model, but figured "f--- that" after I opened it only to see an inner case.

I've tried everything, I even tried using one of those dvd laser head cleaners, still no dice. If only JVC had a help line maybe they could give me some suggestions. All I get from their service line is to send the unit in for service using one of their JVC Service Centers.

I like the recorder but this has left a bad taste in my mouth.

[lordsmurf]

I guess I'm lucky to have a JVC shop near me. The few times my JVC VCRs acted up, I got them cleaned/fixed/tested and back again within a few days.

[EricS]

ejai,

Did you try a few other movies that are longer than the 2 hour mark to test your theory that it was that particular tape?

[gshelley61]

ejai, sorry you are still having problems. I hope there is a simple explanation for the issues you are having...

UPDATE on the video processor testing:

I have reached some conclusions on the Elite Video BVP-4 Plus vs. the Sima SCC Pro Color Corrector. I have also been testing a FOR-A FA-210 broadcast TBC/Frame Sync with video correction adjustments.

Without going into great detail right now, the Sima (believe it or not) is actually giving me the best overall finished results. The Elite Video processor has some unique and very powerful correction and enhancement features, but the "resolution boost" is not that impressive. The Sima does a better job of sharpening and enhancing detail without introducing too many other artifacts or noise, while providing reasonably good color/black level adjustments.

The FOR-A TBC is impressive and delivers an extremely stable, noise free image; but it softens the picture too much for my taste.

I am now in the process of acquiring some other pre-owned video enhancers/processors to see how they perform. I will be testing three more pretty soon - a Kramer Composite Video Corrector, a Videonics VE-1 Video Equalizer, and a Vidicraft Detailer III. I'm also having a look at a few others.

[xiaNaix]

Let me know if you're going to be selling off any of those spare corrector units.

[gshelley61]

Let me know if you're going to be selling off any of those spare corrector units.

Sure, no problem... only if they don't suck, though! :P