Canopus ProCoder 2.0 inferior to 1.0?

[cirving]

It seems you can't set the bitrate as high in Canopus 2.0 that you could with 1.0 because they added fixed maxiums and stuff. Like if I choose PCM I'm limited at something lower than what I want to put in (a higher figure that a bitrate calculator gave me).

I used to be able to plugin these values that the bitrate calculator gave me no problem (in Canopus ProCoder 1.0) however now when I try to, it decreases the value to what Canopus feels the maximum is. Any ideas how I can fix this? Sometimes it's a much much lower bitrate.

Another problem I have with this setting maximums is this. They're assuming you're either gonna choose PCM or Mpeg-2 audio from within ProCoder, well the only way to get the WAV file to encode to AC3 is if you choose PCM, but if you choose PCM it forces your to have like a 7500kbps bitrate (approximately) and not the 9406kbps I'd like I'd like it to be since I'm gonna convert that PCM wav to 384kbps AC3.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
cirving

[erratic]

Load the System -> MPEG Target preset instead of the DVD preset. Then you can more or less do what you want.

[lordsmurf]

No.

1.0 was FAR inferior to 1.5
And supposedly 2.0 has some good gains on 1.5

[cirving]

Oh I just meant in this respect alone. So far I love ProCoder 2.0, it integrates BEAUTIFULLY with Premiere Pro.

If the Mpeg target works better than the DVD target then awesome, I have no problems with it !

[cirving]

I always wondered what the difference was between 1.0 and 1.5 though. Wasn't 1.5 only available in "express" version?

Maybe I'm mixing up my versions but I meant to compare the previous non-express version.

[BJ_M]

1.5 was not a express version , it was around a long time and was pretty good (1 was not) ...

2.0 is MUCH improved over 1.5 ....

express is version 1.0 and is new since last dec. ..

express and 2.0 use basicly the same mpeg encoder but 2.0 has a lot more features and can encode to a lot more formats ..

[disturbed1]

Procoder express is based on the 2.0 engine.

1.5 - 2.0, 2.0 is faster than 1.5 in mastering quality setting, and is higher quality than 1.5 in highest quality setting (IMO). The GUI is also different, and an option to not output audio when doing elementary streams, since 1.5 (I think) always outputs .m2a or .wav audio. Slight improvements in 25 to 29.970 FPS conversions, new noise filter.

1.5-2.0 fixed a couple of bugs in MPEG source handling, but 352x480 4:3 mpeg sources are still not handled correctly.

[cirving]

So yeah, my bad... I mixed up 1.5 and 1.0, but my sentiments are the same. just a mixup in numbers. I was confused because ProCoder 1.0 Express is newer than ProCoder 1.5 (so I wasn't sure)... I guess if you dont' care about having more options, that the mpeg encoding is better in 1.0 express since it uses the 2.0 engine, huh? Anyway, that's not my concern.

My ONLY real concern is that I just VNC'ed to my computer at home and tried out the MPEG target instead of the more specific MPEG-2 DVD target.... no dice. It still won't let me set a bitrate higher than 7000 if I choose PCM stream (cause I want to take that PCM wav and turn it into a 384kbps AC3)

This is important, cause I'm losing quality unnecessarily. I wish they'd fix this. I wonder if 1.5 forces a bitrate. Thing is, there's PLENTY of room on the DVD. It's only a 40 show I'm encoding. So I should be able to set a bitrate of 9000 with a 384kbps audio stream like I used to be

[lordsmurf]

Procoder 1.0 <- barf
Procoder 1.5
Procoder 2.0

Procoder Express 1.0 <- new software name, LE version of full PC

[cirving]

Hey I just discovered that one thing about ProCoder that I LOVE and that's the ability to take your DV AVI file and go straight to Mp3. Nice.

[disturbed1]

I can set upto 15000 with 2.0 and PCM audio.

[cirving]

Damn, guess I should've specified. I'm using CBR.

[erratic]

My ONLY real concern is that I just VNC'ed to my computer at home and tried out the MPEG target instead of the more specific MPEG-2 DVD target.... no dice. It still won't let me set a bitrate higher than 7000 if I choose PCM stream (cause I want to take that PCM wav and turn it into a 384kbps AC3)

Works for me (up to 15000) if I choose Generic ISO MPEG stream as the Stream Format.
I still kept Create DVD Compatible Stream checked.
I used CBR. Works fine.

[disturbed1]

Same difference, generic ISO MPEG with MP/ML allows for upto 15,000 bitrate, 1pass VBR, CBR, or 2 Pass VBR, high speed, quality, what ever.

You're choosing DVD output, since most DVD authoring packages won't accept M2V's stamped over 8000, Procoder uses that when you choose DVD MPEG output.

[cirving]

Got it, thanks! I didn't choose Generic Mpeg Stream, I still chose DVD in the drop-down.

Everything's great now, thanks all for the help.

[awhitney]

What is the point of using a 15000 bitrate for dvd? Won't be compliant for dvd players unless you're using it for some other purpose.

[BJ_M]

What is the point of using a 15000 bitrate for dvd? Won't be compliant for dvd players unless you're using it for some other purpose.

mpeg2 is used for a lot of other things besides dvd's

we have mpeg servers that work at 14.5meg/s for D1 and 44meg/s for HD

[SatStorm]

DVB transmissions for example can be 15.000kb/s