Spidey Record

[adam]

I realize its fiction, and involves completely fanciful themes, but that doesn't mean you have the liberty to do whatever you want. Its a story about certain characters with certain special abilities, living in our world. Just because he can climb walls doesn't mean he could sustain a 50 story fall, and when he does its unrealistic and detracts from the movie.

You don't have to abide by the laws of physics in a fantasy movie, but if you are going to break fundamental rules of the universe then you have to explain why. Spiderman 2 didn't do that.

[Marvingj]

Spiderman 1 & 2 were good. Army of Darkness was good. Evil Dead 1 & 2 SUCKS! Catwoman is good if both Halle & Michelle can scratch me!

[ViRaL1]

Not that I'm an expert, but whatever let Spiderman survive a 50-story fall is probably the same thing that enables him to get hit with enough force to do serious damage to the side of a building when he smacks into it and still get up. But the real question is, has CG finally made it to the level where they can incorporate Venom and at least make it visually realistic?

[Moloko_Plus]

Wasnt the real Catwoman white? (not trying to push any buttons here, just wondering)

I didnt know sam raimi had any part of the spiderman movies. Oh well, always the last to know. Evil dead 1 was ok, 2 was basically the same movie, AOD was kinda lame except that one part the skeleton is like "c'mere ahl cutchar gizzard out!"

[Nilfennasion]

Like most characters conceived in the 1950s, Catwoman is unashamedly white. It just reflects the cultural experiences of the creator and has little to do with any racism or malicious intent.

I think this new Catwoman film is just another case of tokenism gone rampant, honestly.

[Tommyknocker]

Like most characters conceived in the 1950s, Catwoman is unashamedly white. It just reflects the cultural experiences of the creator and has little to do with any racism or malicious intent.

I think this new Catwoman film is just another case of tokenism gone rampant, honestly.

I disagree. I actuallt saw Eartha Kitt play Catwoman 30-odd years ago. Some people actually see past an actor's color and look at the performance. And of course, some can't.

So with blacks living in America since the 17th Century, and Bob Kane growing up and working in New York City, the assertion that Mr. Kane had no cultural experience with African Americans is laughable.

[macleod]

Not that I'm an expert, but whatever let Spiderman survive a 50-story fall is probably the same thing that enables him to get hit with enough force to do serious damage to the side of a building when he smacks into it and still get up.

Maybe the matrix has them

[Sabro]

Ever noticed that when a movie company has a few films that flop within a years time they start to blame piracy, forces of nature, planet out of alignment etc for their loss?

Then, as with anything else, the other companies are like, "YEAH US TOO!".

Hasn't it always been said that 'any' news is good news? So the exec's get together and decide to release a press release that piracy has killed their profits for such and such movie. By reverse sike, that drives consumers to rent/buy the dvd, visit the theaters etc cause it's 'gotta be good if the pirates are stealing it like crazy!".

Do I condone piracy, NO. Do i think the theathers/movie industry hurt more then the pirates? ... maybe. Does the piracy hype help during tax time? ... mostlikely.

$3.00 rental and my lazyboy scooted up close to my 52 inch bigscreen and a $0.25 bag of microwaved extra butter popcorn give me that statium seating big screen warm and fuzzy feeling at a fraction of the cost!

Rating on Spiderman, dunno haven't seen it yet, but I'll go with Smurf and hope it does well.

Sabro

[ViRaL1]

If you know where I can get a 52" big screen TV for a fraction o fthe cost of a movie ticket, I'd love the link. :P

[Nilfennasion]

Growing up with no cultural experience of a people who live right on your doorstep is indeed possible, and happens all the time. There are certainly places in Australia where people can live their entire life without even seeing an aborigine in spite of the fact that aborigines live in segregated alcohol-free zones that get in the news a lot lately.

Of course, I was making an assumption regarding Kane, but then again, America was still fairly segregated when Batman was created.

Eartha Kitt is a horrible, disgusting-to-look-at-or-listen-to woman, and citing anyone who was involved in the television series as a standard to compare Batman or associated characters by is reaching. Unless Bob Kane comes out saying that this new Catwoman film is a true reflection of the character, I will be regarding it as another Hollywood cash-in attempt, and even then I will be having difficulty being convinced.

[Tommyknocker]

Growing up with no cultural experience of a people who live right on your doorstep is indeed possible, and happens all the time. There are certainly places in Australia where people can live their entire life without even seeing an aborigine in spite of the fact that aborigines live in segregated alcohol-free zones that get in the news a lot lately.

Of course, I was making an assumption regarding Kane, but then again, America was still fairly segregated when Batman was created.

Eartha Kitt is a horrible, disgusting-to-look-at-or-listen-to woman, and citing anyone who was involved in the television series as a standard to compare Batman or associated characters by is reaching. Unless Bob Kane comes out saying that this new Catwoman film is a true reflection of the character, I will be regarding it as another Hollywood cash-in attempt, and even then I will be having difficulty being convinced.

I found it rather impossible to grow up in a mixed neighborhood and not know or play with white children. Of course, it could happen if one went out of his way to do so. And even though you may find Ms. Kitt hard to look at, I still find her quite appealing. And if Mr. Kane says anything in his current state, I would be shocked, to say the least.

[dxj40c]

Chill...they're just movies, and every one has different tastes. It the same thing as asking "what is the best...", it's always going to start a war.

Personally, when I read a synopsis of a movie, if I hit the word "romantic" I stop reading and put it back on the shelf. I just don't care if the guy gets the girl or visa versa. That doesn't make the movie 'bad' just because I don't like romances (read "chick-flics).

In fact, if I had two hours to live I would watch something like the "The English Patient", then it would seem like eight. I also don't like slasher movies or anything set in the middle-ages or dark-ages, that wipes out the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy, and most people enjoyed these. I understand they were good movies, I'm just not interested, but it doesn't make me, or anyone else, stupid.

[proxyx99]

I realize its fiction, and involves completely fanciful themes, but that doesn't mean you have the liberty to do whatever you want. Its a story about certain characters with certain special abilities, living in our world. Just because he can climb walls doesn't mean he could sustain a 50 story fall, and when he does its unrealistic and detracts from the movie.

You don't have to abide by the laws of physics in a fantasy movie, but if you are going to break fundamental rules of the universe then you have to explain why. Spiderman 2 didn't do that.

I don't see any difference between climbing walls and 50 storey fall. Both are BS (or politely: fantasy) and should be treated as such. After all this is a comic book (kids stuff), only on celluloid.

[adam]

You can't just say its fantasy so accept anything the director chooses to do. That's BS. Would it have been acceptable if Spiderman could suddenly walk through walls? I don't care how fanciful a movie is, if you put something in there then give a logical reason for it otherwise it doesn't fit, even in a fantasy environment. Most movies are fiction, should we just accept anything thrown at us there too since its not based on real events?

I'm not arguing that Spiderman should or shouldn't have such and such power. I truly don't care. My gripe is not with the realism of the movie, its with the storytelling. Fantasy movies give the director the libery to make his/her own rules. Very rarely can a director get away with breaking his/her own rules, and in this case I think it detracts from the movie.

[iooi]

You can't just say its fantasy so accept anything the director chooses to do. That's BS.

Seems thats the trend these days in films from america...... I just cite King Arthur as a point in fact. Film is nothing like any other story written or filmed around this brit legend....
Aint it call "Artistic Licence"
As someone else said Its only a bloody film......

[lordsmurf]

I think changing the skin color of an accepted character breaks a movie. As soon as they cast the overrated Halle Berry, most comic fans quit caring about the movie.

It's like making a movie about Mr. T ... and then chosing some big white guy. Doesn't work.

If people want dark-skinned superheroes ... then go make some new ones. You can't just go and change what already exists.

[Nilfennasion]

To put it another way, imagine the outcry there would be if they remade Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with a Norwegian cast and set it in the era of Vikings, but claimed it was still an adaptation of the same literature.

But that is beside the point. I'd find Halle equally repulsive if she were red, white, or a superintelligent shade of the colour blue. Grace Jones she ain't.

[RottenFoxBreath]

But that is beside the point. I'd find Halle equally repulsive if she were red, white, or a superintelligent shade of the colour blue. Grace Jones she ain't.

^^is just about puking over the fact Nilfennasion thinks Grace Jones isnt repulsive...WTF...

[Nilfennasion]

I'm splitting hairs. Physically, I find her very hard to look at. But I don't feel a sharp, stabbing pain in my head every time she opens her mouth, in contrast to Halle.

[Tommyknocker]

I'm splitting hairs. Physically, I find her very hard to look at. But I don't feel a sharp, stabbing pain in my head every time she opens her mouth, in contrast to Halle.

So we do not compare her to Roseanne Barr, or Britney Spears, for that matter. Any particular reason why?

[Rookie64]

There were 3 different actresses playing Catwoman on the original BatmanTV series -

Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt and Lee Meriwether


All three had different personalities and approaches to interpreting the character.

I personally liked Julie Newmar and Eartha Kitt in that role...and had no problem with there being more than one Catwoman or whatever race or country either came from.
They both did a great job in that role and I see each as a separate character rather than one trying to be the other.

The catwoman that annoyed me most was Michelle Pfeiffer - she added nothing to that character IMO and wasn't a good choice for the part.

A&E did a Biography show on the subject of Catwoman, which will air twice tomorrow (July 21) - check it out if you can!

I don't have a problem with Halle Berry being cast in that role...btw, her mother is white (caucasian) and her dad is black (of African descent).
Would be no different if Jennifer Beals, Carol Channing, Annabella Sciorra or Mariah Carey were in the role - a lot of people don't even notice they are of African descent.

I agree though, Grace Jones would be amazing as Catwoman - and I love the idea of her for that role. She'd be perfect for the part.

Eartha Kitt has aged, but she used to be a very sexy woman - especially during the '40s and '50s.
She even posed nude in her younger days.

She was once married to Orson Welles and had dated James Dean.

[freakyalbino]

i dont know why so many people would onsider the evil dead series as genius. Sure it's ok, but to think its genius is just, really tells alot about your character iMO. I wouldnt be suprised to find out your the type of people who laugh during the emotional points in a film.

I mean, their kind of amusing, but their not really scary and just kind of stupid. So you have to ask yourselves, what do you look for in a movie?

I'm sure back in the day it would have been more... up, but now? not really.

Seems to me its kind of snowballed, one person said its good then so did the guy he told, then it was exagerrated and now its come to this.

[Nilfennasion]

The first Evil Dead was a beautifully-shot film that managed to produce a very professional result on the sort of money that wouldn't even buy lunch on a modern studio set. The words "work of art" get bandied about a lot with films, and this is one rare case where it fits.

Perhaps I should go back to focusing on the fundamental problem I have with Halle Berry. Her delivery seems so forced that half the time on Super 35 films she's in (X-Men for example), I half expect when the mattes are opened to see a monkey pushing walnuts up her butt. Her big speech with Hugh Jackman before the whole episode with the senator is played out is comical in how stilted and forced it looks. I still have to wonder what sort of Mulholland Dr. scenario caused Bryan Singer to cast her in that role.

[Moloko_Plus]

Getting back to the original topic for a second, Id like to take this moment and thank XPD for releasing the oh-so-nice DVDR sourced from a Telecine.

[Moloko_Plus]

Oh, speaking of catwoman:

Halle Berry’s critically derided comic-book adaptation “Catwoman” opened a distant third with $17.16 million, behind “I, Robot,” which took in $22.05 million to lift its 10-day total to $95.4 million.

17 million, it costed over 100 to make, thank god this one bombed.

I know we're all going to hear about it soon: Its the pirates fault!! They all saw it for free, our movie was good, it was really good!! (Meanwhile, fahrenheit 911 which michael moore said pirating it was cool did over 100 million already.) :P

[Nilfennasion]

You'd think they'd take a look at the last few films that starred Halle, especially Gothika, and realise that the market simply would not support a $100mil film with her as the main focus. But oh no... it's always the pirates.

[Tiny71]

I didn't watch Gothika for the simple fact that I cannot stand that Cruz chick. How someone finds here attractive(or tolerable for that matter) is beyond me.

Anyway, don't you all know that almost all of Halle's action shots are in fact a male body double? Truth.

I have yet to see Spinderman2, I liked the first one, but I am waiting for the crowds to die down a bit around here before I go see it.

Oh, and about Halle again, how can one not laugh at her? After champion herself as a 'reputable actress' for so many years by virtue of never having done a nude seen....she gets it up the pooper by whitey and all of a sudden she is Oscar callibur, worthy of 10+ million a picture? HA.

[Nilfennasion]

Anyway, don't you all know that almost all of Halle's action shots are in fact a male body double? Truth.

Doesn't surprise me in the least. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she goes on an ultra-fatty diet before every film in order to give the appearance that she actually has boobs.

[ViRaL1]

You haven't seen Swordfish?

[Nilfennasion]

As a matter of fact, I have. I have one word for you there - airbrush.