New motherboard = rip speed slows to a crawl

[Azathoth]

Greetings;

I've completely ran out of options here, and I'm about to take a hammer to this computer.

I recently replaced my motherboard and RAM. Before my setup was a Biostar mobo (VIA chipset) with 320 SDRAM. I replaced it with a Chaintech mobo (NVidia chipset) with 512 DDR RRAM. I'm using the same exact hardware for the rest that I was using before:

2 40gig Maxtor harddrives (Primary and Secondary slaves)
Liteon LTD163D DVD drive
Toshiba SD-R5002 DVD-R drive
Same cables, PSU
Win98 SE

My DVD rip speeds have now slowed to a crawl, nothing above 2x for a movie and 3x for a data DVD. I was previously getting at least 8-10x with the Liteon drive on most DVD's. Both of the drives are using the exact same firmware as before.

The bios is updated to the newest version. I've got DMA mode enabled in the control panel along with UDMA mode enabled in the bios. PIO mode is set as auto in the bios, there is no way to disable it.

Any ideas to just what the hell is wrong with this thing?

[GKar]

Have you tried juggling Master/Slave/Ide Channel drive combos? Different chipset may cause drive compatibility problems? (assuming a clean O/S install with the correct drivers)

[Shudder]

If you just swapped out a motherboard with an entirely different chipset and expected things to be problem-free, that's the root of your problems more than likely. I've never had luck swapping out the MB, it ends up being a good excuse to redo windows and it's a guaranteed way to make things work fine.

If you've reinstalled windows then make sure you get the right MB drivers from nvidia.

[davemcg37]

where did you get ur new ram from? i had a similar problem and it turned out to be a stick of "temperamental" ram

[adam]

Look at Task Manager when ripping. If the CPU is hitting 100% then its not operating in DMA mode despite your settings. Not sure what you'd do to correct this short of swapping master/slave around like someone already suggested.

If it is operating in DMA mode, then I'd guess faulty ram too.

[Azathoth]

Thanks a lot for everyone's suggestions. I really appreciate them. As for the ram, it's a Kingston stick from Newegg.

I fiddled with a few things earlier today and tried to rip a DVD-9, it took almost 50 minutes. Fired up DVD2One and much to my suprise, the encoding time suddenly inflated to *twice* as long as it was before with the old motherboard. The new figure was around 55 minutes compared to the 25 or so with the old motherboard.

At this point I took out the new board and slapped the old one back in. First attempt at ripping the same DVD-9 was around 14 minutes, DVD2One took 23. Guess I'll keep this board in for a while.

Thanks again for the suggestions, I'll try them out the next time I feel like working on this newer board.

[Shudder]

Reinstall windows. You've changed a considerable amount of the backbone that windows is running on. That will more than likely solve your issue, don't ignore it to take the easy way out.

[fritzi93]

where did you get ur new ram from? i had a similar problem and it turned out to be a stick of "temperamental" ram

Just out of curiousity, I wonder how often this happens. Over the years I'd say one out of four sticks I've bought have been bad. Am I just unlucky?

BTW, I suspect Shudder is right.

[DVD_Ripper]

Reinstall windows. You've changed a considerable amount of the backbone that windows is running on. That will more than likely solve your issue, don't ignore it to take the easy way out.

Agreed... the OS is more than likely causing your problem considering it is 'associated' with the old mobo. Try a fresh install

[LSchafroth]

If you just swapped out a motherboard with an entirely different chipset and expected things to be problem-free, that's the root of your problems more than likely. I've never had luck swapping out the MB, it ends up being a good excuse to redo windows and it's a guaranteed way to make things work fine.

If you've reinstalled windows then make sure you get the right MB drivers from nvidia.

Actually with Windows 98Se it is a breeze. download or copy all your drivers for the new hardware to your hardrive.

Bootin Safe Mode, go to Device manager. delete everything and I mean everything.

Reboot, let it rediscover the plug n play capabilities. It will reboot then start rediscovering all devices of teh motherboard then all your add-on compnents.

Doign it this way eliminates the need for a reinstall and you have your device manager clean from all older devices that no longer exist.

I've done over 300 machines this way at work and never had a problem yet unless it was a bad driver or bad hardware causing it.

LS

[LSchafroth]

Actually with Windows 98Se it is a breeze. download or copy all your drivers for the new hardware to your hardrive.

Bootin Safe Mode, go to Device manager. delete everything and I mean everything.

If you just upgrading the hardrive and it's still FAT then it's very easy also. Put in the new drive as a slave. Use FDISK to partition it and then format it. Boot into windows and go to a command prompt.

xcopy c:\*.* d:\*.* /e /r /h /k /c /s

This will copy everything to the new drive. Place it as a master and remove the old drive. Boot to floppy, run FDISK and set the new drive to primary partition and your done.

LS

PS Windows 95, 98 & ME are so easy to swap components. 2K and XP are a different animal!

[SaSi]

Faulty RAM cannot result in a system ripping slower. It can cause stop errors and sudden lock-ups, but almost certainly, the problem is that the new motherboard caused Windows to re-discover all peripherals from the beginning, causing the disks (probably) and CD/DVD drives (very likely) to revert to PIO mode.

Has happened to me just by removing the DVD drive starting windows, shutting down, re-connecting the drive and restarting windows.

Go to Control Panel, System, Hardware, Device Manager and check the IDE controller settings In advanced for primary and secondary channels. It most likely has reverted to PIO mode only. Change that to DMA if available.

If you have installed the Intel application accelerator or ATA utility (or otherwise called sometimes), you may be able to change the setting from there only.

[Azathoth]

For the sake of having it archived;

Although I had DMA mode enabled in the control panel for the DVD drives, I didn't have it enabled for either HDD. I didn't even think to check, and I assumed Windows automatically checked it.

After I enabled DMA mode on all 4 drives everything worked like a charm.

[Gurm]

Just out of curiousity, I wonder how often this happens. Over the years I'd say one out of four sticks I've bought have been bad. Am I just unlucky?

Yes. RAM is seldom bad. It happens, to be sure - and with the gazillions of sticks being moved around daily from online vendors, it's bound to happen more often, but the number of sticks I've seen "dead in box" in the course of my IT career (15 years now) number in the single digits. Maybe 2 or 3 total.

The number I've seen FRIED by static or user error? Oh, dozens.

BTW, I suspect Shudder is right.

Absolutely. You have just upgraded your motherboard. At the VERY least you should be doing an in-place install of Windows over itself. But honestly you'll be happier with a COMPLETE reinstall.

[Gurm]

Wait wait.

You're running a machine with an nForce chipset, and 512MB of RAM... on Win98SE?

WHAT THE F**K IS WRONG WITH YOU?

[SaSi]

Wait wait.

You're running a machine with an nForce chipset, and 512MB of RAM... on Win98SE?

WHAT THE F**K IS WRONG WITH YOU?

At least he was using Win98SE last year

[Gurm]

Damn threads from the dead.

WHO KEEPS DOING THIS?!?!?!?!?

STOP... RESURRECTING... OLD... THREADS!