Captions CC Vs. Subtitles... I can't get Captions using decr

[pcexpress-guy]

I can't seem to get captions to come through on the newly created decrypted version of this DVD i have. The newly created movie is decrypted to to the dvd folder on the hard drive. It seems subtile streams in other movies can be brought over to a new folder, but captions do not follow!?

I am using DvdDecrypter... I bet there is a technical difference between subtiles and captions... but don't know how to get captions.

Can ya help?

THANKS MUCH!!!

[WookieeMonster]

I am having what I think is the same problem.

I'm trying to back up the DVD of "The Longest Day". On the original, even with subtitles OFF, there are extended scenes where the German soldiers are speaking in German (surprise surprise!) and there are English subtitles.

I presume these are "Closed Captions" and not actual subtitles, because when I backup the disc, even if I leave all subtitles in place, these disappear and you have no idea what's being said.

So far I've been ripping with DVD Decrypter (latest version) and burning with InstantCopy 8.

I also have DVD Shrink 3.1.7.6 and NERO.

Can I overcome this problem with any combination of this software, and if so... how?

Thanks for any help.

[pcexpress-guy]

for whatever it is worth... i was able to use dvdshrink to capture captions BUT ONLY IF there are no subtitle tracks... on disks with subtitles and captions... teh captions disapear... (which is fine..) so... this may be a factor for you?

[freestyler]

I don't know if software dvd players readily display line 21 / closed-captioned material.

Have you tried the disc on a TV that has closed-captioning enabled on it?

[pcexpress-guy]

yes i did try on both software dvd and palyer with tv enabled for closed captions. (I also tested to make sure the tv was playing cc, and it was. it just didn't like my dvdshrinked disk /w subtitles.) the orginal disk plays both cc and subtitles. the new disk only subtitles.

[Dimmer]

I can't seem to get captions to come through on the newly created decrypted version of this DVD i have. The newly created movie is decrypted to to the dvd folder on the hard drive. It seems subtile streams in other movies can be brought over to a new folder, but captions do not follow!?

I am using DvdDecrypter... I bet there is a technical difference between subtiles and captions... but don't know how to get captions.

Did you perform any stream processing, compressing of the video, etc.? Closed Captions are stored in MPEG headers, so the only way to remove them is updating the actual m2v stream. IFO files however have a flag indicating that CC are present; you can see/change it using IfoEdit. If this flag is not set, it might confuse some players.

Many software players such as PowerDVD can play CC simultaneously with subtitles.

The technical difference between subtitles and Closed Captions is that they have nothing in common except serving similar purpose.

I am having what I think is the same problem.

I'm trying to back up the DVD of "The Longest Day". On the original, even with subtitles OFF, there are extended scenes where the German soldiers are speaking in German (surprise surprise!) and there are English subtitles.

I presume these are "Closed Captions" and not actual subtitles, because when I backup the disc, even if I leave all subtitles in place, these disappear and you have no idea what's being said.

No, these are forced subtitles. There were some reports about having problems with the forced subs after DVD Shrink processing, but as far as I can figure it's not the program's fault but the user issue.

PAL guys (i.e. outside of North America) need not worry about Closed Captions as it's purely an NTSC thing.

[pcexpress-guy]

Did you perform any stream processing, compressing of the video, etc.? Closed Captions are stored in MPEG headers, so the only way to remove them is updating the actual m2v stream. IFO files however have a flag indicating that CC are present; you can see/change it using IfoEdit. If this flag is not set, it might confuse some players.

No stream processing. The orginal disk with BOTH cc and subtiles was placed into the dvd computer player. DVDshrink was open using full disk mode. It created a new disk and that new disk does not play cc on a stand alone player. No user issue at all. something dvd does (wether that be the the flag issue in the ifo or something in the header) IT, that is, dvdshrink does something to disable cc.

The good news is that cc on disks which have subtiles is a mute point as you have the subtitles. I suppose the stand alone players may have a problem, but something is not exactly standard.

[adam]

Dimmer, closed captioning is used in the PAL standard as well, they are just stored on line 22.

pcexpress-guy the disk should still be compliant absent closed captions. They aren't requried and as you noted, they generally aren't necessary for normal users as long as there are also subtitles for that same language. Closed captions are really intended for the hearing impaired. They will also describe the sounds being played (door creaks) as opposed to just subbing the speech of the actors.

[pcexpress-guy]

roger that adam... It was a curious thing... but it would only be a pi$$er IF i didn't have subtiles!... on disks which only have CC, then dvdshrink is a great tool.

[handyguy]

Nope, certain versions of shrink won't put CC's on the copy & this is noted too. Try the newer shrink versions they do a great job of putting CC's on. You can't tell if a video has CC's by looking at the shrink display, that only shows subs. Not all vids have CC's, sometimes they say so on the box & they don't have them.

Also, some dvd players WON'T show CC's, e.g. all of Apex dvd players won't, according to them anyway.

[Dimmer]

something dvd does (wether that be the the flag issue in the ifo or something in the header) IT, that is, dvdshrink does something to disable cc.

The good news is that cc on disks which have subtiles is a mute point as you have the subtitles.

Yes, the older versions of DVD Shrink used to strip the subs. As it's been already mentioned, all you need is the latest version of the program.

CC contain much more information then subtitles since they are intended for hearing-impaired. One priceless feature for me is that often when some music/song being played, CC shows the name of the song/music and the performer. If one doesn't know this music, it's hard figure it out even with hearing intact.

Dimmer, closed captioning is used in the PAL standard as well, they are just stored on line 22.

Cool, though I never saw even an advertisement of a PAL DVD with CC. I remember that in Europe they used teletext for broadcast programming that was a PAL counterpart of CC.

[WookieeMonster]

I got it done in the end.

I ripped with DVD Decrypter, re-authored with DVD Shrink (using no compression), and then wrote the disc with InstantCopy.

I did try writing with DVD Shrink (via Nero, to a RW disc), but writing failed with the error "Could not perform end of Disc-at-once". Even though I did have automatic compression enabled, I assume that DVD Shrink was creating files that were slightly too large to fit on the disc, as this happened twice. As soon as I used InstantCopy, it wrote first time to the same RW disc.

[handyguy]

"The good news is that cc on disks which have subtiles is a mute point as you have the subtitles."

Yeah, but subs dont do sound effects, CC's do.

I don't know why they write on dvd menus 'for the hearing impaired' when 'hearing impaired' is derogatory & shouldn't be used these days.

[pcexpress-guy]

I have the latest version dvdshrink!

When I have disks with both CC and subtitles, it will drop the CC. no doubt about that. (at least the disks I tried) and I tested on 2 standalone players and 3 different software players... for some reason the CC's disapear.... on the other hand, if there are ONLY CC's on a DVD, it (DVDshrink) will preserve this on the compressed disk (using full author mode)

I think CC are good for normal hearing people too sometimes.. you know like you misunderstand what someone says.. you can just drop you eyes to the line and it is there again. (and no I am not going deaf )

as far as the political correctness on the using of the "'for the hearing impaired' term or not... call me crazy... but I just go with the ole school approach and call a deaf a deaf.

If someone wants to read into this statement (or the watered down version "'for the hearing impaired") as derrogatory then that is there problem. I can see how someone could take offense to the term. But usually people that are not deaf or hearing impaired take more offense when you call them deaf. point of record... My sister has some hearing lost and I love the fool just the same. Of course she is not technically deaf... but if she was I would call her a deaf and it would not change anything. TO me deaf just refers to a technical issue like... some character or nature of the person like what one preferes to eat for dinner or likes to read or not. To me the term does not necessarily judge someone or denote some negative hatred per se. It just depends on what is in the heart of the person that uses the term.

I think CC and subtitles are good for everyone... that is just my two cents... sorry if I offended anyone.

[Dimmer]

I have the latest version dvdshrink!

When I have disks with both CC and subtitles, it will drop the CC. no doubt about that. (at least the disks I tried) and I tested on 2 standalone players and 3 different software players... for some reason the CC's disapear.... on the other hand, if there are ONLY CC's on a DVD, it (DVDshrink) will preserve this on the compressed disk (using full author mode)

There is one more thing I discovered: close DVD Shrink before playing anything with CC in PowerDVD. It's probably a system resource sharing issue. Apparently when DVD Shrink is running, it doesn't allow any program to utilize CC decoding.

[DereX888]

I did try writing with DVD Shrink (via Nero, to a RW disc), but writing failed with the error "Could not perform end of Disc-at-once".

Wookiemonster, just a thought - I had alot of this message with sony dru-500 drive and their own sony dvd-rw medias when using nero 6. switching to nero 5 solved the problem, but some discs were only "one time use" (couldnt erase them after write with anything). Switching to LG drive solved this problem for me (all supposedly dead RWs were suddenly working again).
Just trying to point out that hardware may have something to it as well.

[adam]

" I don't know why they write on dvd menus 'for the hearing impaired' when 'hearing impaired' is derogatory & shouldn't be used these days.

What is the proper terminology to use?

[DereX888]

"proper" as in what - "politically correct proper" or as in "common language"?

1 = "person hearing differently"
2 = "deaf'n'dumb"


(dont mean any disrespect to poor people who are really hearing impaired)

[handyguy]

DereX888, not nice....

Proper is ' Deaf & Hard of Hearing', many local organizations use that phrase.

[adam]

Neither really sounds deragotory to me, but deaf and hard of hearing sounds worse to me then hearing impaired.

[DereX888]

I never heard 'Deaf & Hard of Hearing' used in any official government or common folks language.
IMO it sounds more derogatory than "hearing impaired".
Anyway - WHO CARES. Thats what politically correct bunch of ******** would want us to do: thinking more of the way it is said than the the facts it describes.
If someone is deaf then he is deaf, and calling it any sophisticated terms will not change this fact.
The bad term 'deaf'n'dumb' is what I usually hear here (both in US and Canada) used by average people. IMO it is derogatory (the 'dumb' part) because obviously being deaf does not equal being dumb.
I was just stating how it is normally described (although I must add - I never say it that way myself), I have nothing to be ashamed of.