How's DVD-Rebuilder compared to others

[Ranaya_Kay]

I just found out about the beta version of DVD-RB. From what I read, it suppose to be very good. But I don't know how is it compared to others like Shrink, etc?

So can anyon tell me what's the best DVD9-DVD5 backup program (quick backup like shrinks, DVD-RB, DVD2One, etc?)

Thanks

[Ranaya_Kay]

Found my answer to the 2nd question:

InterVideo DVD Copy > DVD X Xpress & DVD2One > DVD Shrink > *

[Xtreme]

It is a awesome program for backing up DVD9 -> DVD5 disks, because it uses CCE as the encoder. It is better than the other programs but it is not faster. For me it takes about 2 1/2 -> 3 hrs for the whole thing to be done.
I know the other programs are faster. So at this point it has to be your choice if your gonna sacrifice speed for quality or quality for speed.

[richdvd]

I prefer DVD Shrink by far.

[Ranaya_Kay]

I guess that I'd have to wait till the full version come out.

btw, when I read this http://dvd.box.sk/articles8.php

it said that

InterVideo DVD Copy Platinum > DVD X Xpress & DVD2One > DVD Shrink > *

as far as for quick backup.

I'm testing that Intervideo DVD copy for the first time now. However, according to the reviews in the forums, it seems bad. I too have been using Shrink since forever. I guess I'll give this a try

[Xtreme]

Beta runs fine .... i have DVD-Rebuilder 0.53 works like a champ.

[budz]

DVD REBULDER is the BOMB when it comes to DVD9 TO DVD5. The quality of the backups are much better than DVD SHRINK, DVD2ONE, CLONEDVD, & INTER VIDEO DVD. It's a long process depending on your CPU speed. But in the end the quality is stunning and worth waiting for. As Extreme wrote:

"your choice if your gonna sacrifice spped for quality or quality for speed. "

DVD REBUILDER ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!

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[lordsmurf]

Ibtw, when I read this http://dvd.box.sk/articles8.php)

This site is so outdated, it's useless.

Rebuilder has it's bugs. The CCE barely works. The QuEnc is okay, but you better have LOTS of hard drive space. I had 20GB free, and it crashed from "lack of space".

The ReJig works fine.

For movies, SHRINK is better.
For episodes, ... not sure. Rebuilder is not stable enough to run fair tests.
Yeah, I'm on the current one.

[Xtreme]

I dont know what your doing wrong then Lordsmurf but i havnt had a problem yet.... like i stated mine works like a champ. Haha CCE works all the time..... try using version 2.50. You only use Quenc when you dont have CCE.

For movies DVD-Rebuilder is better because it uses CCE. CCE is best.
For episodes i have done a few and it is awesome.
Shrink is ok, but DVD-Rebuilder is better because it uses CCE.
Everyone of my disks with DVD-REbuilder are exactly 4.34 gigs, which is perfect. If you really think about it DVD-Rebuilder and DVD-shrink are alike, they both have removal of audio, subtitles and able to shrink the extras, while keeping the movie at its best, but CCE takes it a step further and allows for way better quality. DVDshrink is ok but the quality of the movie can be pixelated sometimes and looks like crap.

[lordsmurf]

CCE adds its own encode noise, so it's far from flawless.. It's a shame DVD-RB doesn't use Procoder.

[tompika]

The CCE barely works...

For movies, SHRINK is better...

Rebuilder is not stable enough to run fair tests.

Geez... you cant be serious

[budz]

Lordsmurf wrote:

Rebuilder has it's bugs. The CCE barely works.

I don't have any problems with CCE 2.60 and I use a demo version of it with the ECLCCE file. I'm using DVD REBUILDER version 51 since it works fine for me. If it ain't broke why update to the newest version. That's just my opinion. DVD REBUILDER video quality is much better than DVD SHRINK.

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[petar]

I've been playing a bit with the "shrinking" tools lately and discovered that there's not a great deal of difference among the transoding tools. I tested DVD Shrink, CloneDVD, Intervideo DVD Copy and Pinnacle InstantCopy. On difficult scenes, like fog, dark scenes in forests, smoke, etc. they were all equally bad. Pinnacle had a slight edge but not enough to justify that it's far slower than the rest. DVD-Rebuilder, as expected by using an encoder, did a much better job but then it took much longer.

So, Ranaya_Kay, if you want my advice stick with the great free DVD Shrink. If on some difficult DVD you don't find the quality acceptable, switch to re-encoding. The rest of the transcoding tools aren't going to give you any noticable improvement. If I must rate them (I compared some difficult scenes at 400%) InstantCopy would come first, CloneDVD and DVD Copy second and DVD Shrink third but the difference was so small (in my eyes, but then this is subjective) that I'd go for DVD Shrink - it's free.

[tompika]

Too bad that DVD ReBuilder does not support "multiangle/interleaving" movies.

[lordsmurf]

The CCE barely works...
For movies, SHRINK is better...
Rebuilder is not stable enough to run fair tests.

Geez... you cant be serious

It did some pretty odd things to my video files.

And to top it off, a project would take up more than 20GB of working space, and that's just from source than was 5GB to size, only needed 90% shrink done to it.

With ReJig, it's fine. But CCE... ewww. And then QuEnc, not much better on the spacing issue.

I really wanted it to work, especially with CCE. I ended up just ripping apart my project and redoing the files in Procoder and re-authoring. So much for time-saving by shrinking it.

I followed guides at afterdawn, as well as on my own. No dice.

[Huyzel]

DVD Rebuilder is the hands down winner...

I have backed up many DVDs...and I have used Shrink, InterVideo, etc.

And DVD-RB using CCE gives the best results. It will definitely take longer (due to the encoding), but simply use the batch function and let it run overnight...you'll have awesome results in the morning...Good luck.

[Xtreme]

It sounds like you need a guide on how to use CCE. So here you go....

Getting the best out of CCE

[Huyzel]

DVD Rebuilder is the hands down winner...

I have backed up many DVDs...and I have used Shrink, InterVideo, etc.

And DVD-RB using CCE gives the best results. It will definitely take longer (due to the encoding), but simply use the batch function and let it run overnight...you'll have awesome results in the morning...Good luck.

[archaeo]

And to top it off, a project would take up more than 20GB of working space, and that's just from source than was 5GB to size, only needed 90% shrink done to it.

Why would you use Rebuilder/CCE with only a 90% compression rate? It seems like a waste of time... Shrink would work fine in that situation. I still use Shrink when at a 75-80% compression rate or above. When I get below that, I've had great success with Rebuilder, even at a 45% compression rate. Shrink can't touch that amount of compression. I have compared (side by side) a Shrink copy to an RB copy at a 55% compression level and there's no comparison- the artifacts in the Shrink copy were substantial.

As far as HD space needed, yes, it does require about three times the space of the source file while it completes the encode. (source+AVS files+RB files). So combined with the original source of say 7Gb, you basically are looking at a need for 21Gb of HD space until you are through. Sometimes that can be a problem, but i usually prepare for that.

I use both Shrink and Rebuilder, depending on the compression, and how much quality I'm willing to live with. And I will often use Shrink to reauthor a movie only, before sending it through Rebuilder.

It's worth the extra time to me to get the best quality backup, and Rebuilder/CCE has working great for me. However, it is still a beta program, so one may have to be prepared to problem solve. But that's also part of the fun of beta testing, and learning from it. It may not be the 'one size fits all' solution, but it definitely is filling a niche for those big compression jobs, or for those who insist on the highest quality.

[nufan292]

Actually it is just source files + m2v files + DVDrb files. I've never needed more than 20gb for an re-encode.

[Ranaya_Kay]

So, it's either Rebuilder or Shrink? I should then go back to shrink and learn wor work dvd-rb at the same time.

For a min, I thought that InterVideo DVD Copy Platinum was better than shrink.

[fritzi93]

Been testing DVDRebuilder every-which-way. I'll try to post just two images, since my daily storage bandwidth is limited. Hope this works.





Draw your own conclusions. The movie, of course, is Lawrence of Arabia, and compression of 57% is required to fit it on a DVDR. The first image is a frame of the movie using the latest version of DVDShrink, the second, DVDRebuilder in QuEnc mode, 2-pass VBR, High Quality.

I also tested Rejig against DVDShrink. Rejig is definitely sharper, but at that compression sharper isn't such a good thing. People have commented in the past about how Shrink "softens" or "smooths" the picture.

Best of all (on TV through standalone) was DVDRebuilder using QuEnc, at Half D1. But to display, it has to be resized, so no point in posting it.

I'm inclined to agree that at 90%, you might as well use DVDShrink or Rejig. Since I don't backup all that often, I think I'll use DVDRebuilder in QuEnc mode for everything under 90%. YMMV and all that.

[archaeo]

m2v files

nufan,
oops, thanks for that correction

[lordsmurf]

Well, since you don't know the 90% "of what" let me tell you ... you're wrong. This is why you can't simply say at XYZ% "do this". It was already a low DCT (or whatever you call it, I hate letters) so a raw transcode turned it into blocky trash. It needed a re-encode.

I can use CCE fine. Something about DVD-RB mucked it up.

As to why it wanted more than 20GB for a 5GB source ... good question. It crashed with some sort of out of space message. It should have needed maybe 15-16GB at most (4.35 for new files, 4.35 for re-encode, 5.0 for source).

Again, the program can do well, but it was buggy. This is why it's a beta.
Some results will be entirely trashed.

[Ranaya_Kay]

Okay, I'm about to test out DVD-RB,

I'm stuck on the setting for:

VBR_BIAS
VBR_Passes
Quality_prec

I'm using CCE SP 2.5. I don't know what to enter for the first 2, as to i don't know the parameters of the CCE SP 2.50 in order to calculate (X*64/100) for the Quality_prec

thanks

[Ranaya_Kay]

^^^ anyone?

[golfnut]

Fritzi93 thanks for the pics of Lawrence of Arabia. I am a long time user of Shrink but would like to try your combo of dvdrebuilder and Quenc. Was wondering if you would know where I might find a guide for these 2 programs. Thanks for your help.

[fritzi93]

Golfnut, sure, when you find what you want in TOOLS, click on the tool, not the download. Right above COMMENTS you'll see available guides, and there are only two.

First thing you need is the latest Avisynth (2.5.4). Then DVDRebuilder, Rejig (might as well have that too) and QuEnc. You also need MPEG2Dec3, I have version 1.00. There have been some complaints on other forums that the later versions have bugs. I'm not sure if the latest version of Avisynth includes the decoder or not. Google for it.

You most definitely will have to read a couple setup guides, plus I recommend the Avisynth site FAQ. Make sure Avisynth plugins are correctly installed and that the program paths in DVDRebuilder are correct.

Good Luck.

[fritzi93]

Looks like my band width's used up for today. That's okay, they're stored in another place too.

[tompika]

Do you think the compressed JPG pics will show the real difference?