WHOA! Matrix = TAIYO YUDEN???

[dvdtek]

Here is my experience. When I burn with Ritek Go4 with the master of 4.3gb in my NEC 2500A, it took approximately 14 min to complete the burning process at 4X. However, when I use the Matrix 8X with the same master, same drive, it only took me half of the time (approximately 7min close to 8min) to finish the burning process. Hopefully this information will help you chas0039.

[500AX]

Finally, we see someone come forward to show one's experience on this product, and it is positive!

anymore.....

[TerminalVeloCD]

Ummm... The NEC ND-2500A takes around 9min30sec to write a 4.38Gb DVD±R!!!

Regards,

[Myrdhinn]

Since I had a lot of surplus time on my cell I call taiyo yuden as a lark and asked about Matrix... according to some chick, Yuko (sounded like that, her english wasn't to good) they don't know who Matrix is and have no dealings, at least as far as I could understand her.

I should've asked about the dye, maybe matrix just got some dye but not actual manufacture the whole disk. Though they probably wouldn't tell me if so.

[disturbed1]

Since I had a lot of surplus time on my cell I call taiyo yuden as a lark and asked about Matrix... according to some chick, Yuko (sounded like that, her english wasn't to good) they don't know who Matrix is and have no dealings, at least as far as I could understand her.

Exactly.

The factory that produces Matrix media (in Hong Kong), is the factory that also produced the "OEM Maxell" media.

These are the same stunts that shop4tech did when they first imported the 4x Matrix discs, and now we have a batch of noob's doing the same thing with the 8x Matrix discs.

Taiyo Yuden does not OEM to no name companies, certainly not Matrix Media from Hong Kong.

My NEC 2500 takes 9-9.5 minutes to burn at 8x also

[Myrdhinn]

[quote="disturbed1
Taiyo Yuden does not OEM to no name companies, certainly not Matrix Media from Hong Kong.
[/quote]

Especially HK .. since China took over HK, Japan is very strict to make sure their technology does not make it into China's infrastructure.

[dvdtek]

I don't get it here? does it really matter whether or not this product is real Taiyo? All I see here is that it does work, not like those Fake TDK from meritline(bullshit product and never refund money nor exchange). distrub1 and smurf, had you tried these media? if you had not tried them yet, why don't you try them out first, then give us your feedback perhpas it will be more helpful to newbies and your followers. Otherwise, I don't get it why would one want to pay for something over $1 when you could get same quality for half of price on this product (matrix). Unless, you are so damn rich that you just don't care or you have a rich parent. All I know is that I don't have money, and don't have a rich parent like others!

[lordsmurf]

Why waste time/energy on something fake?

Rich? If an extra 25-50 cents per disc is gonna bankrupt somebody, then they're in the wrong hobby and/or field of work. Sure, if you buy thousands and thousands, maybe it'll make a difference. For the casual user? No way.

35 cents for PRODISC on budget, $1.50 for the good stuff when needed (MXL)

[DVDeeZ]

Disturbed1 Wrote:

The factory that produces Matrix media (in Hong Kong), is the factory that also produced the "OEM Maxell" media.

These are the same stunts that shop4tech did when they first imported the 4x Matrix discs, and now we have a batch of noob's doing the same thing with the 8x Matrix discs.

Disturbed, you must be a newbie. Where are you getting your inaccurate, flawed information from? These 8x Matrix disks come from Taiwain, NOT, China or Hong Kong. If you can prove that these come from Hong Kong or China like you said, then do so. You won't be able to do that though.

By the way, if this is the same stunts that were pulled before as you said, then why isn't meritline or any other company selling these 8x Matrix disks? It doesn't take more then a turtle's brain to figure out that meritline would be the first to jump all over a deal to screw people, after all, they did it before with early generation Matrix disks which did have some issues. What's really interesting is meritline is still selling those crap disks under the Digital Matrix name. They don't care about screwing people so they'd be all over this deal if they could. But i'd love to know why they aren't, please enlighten me.


Now, for anyone genuinely interested in getting excellent quality disks These Matrix disks are far superiror to any Matrix disks i've ever used in the past but it's clear the overall production of the disks is just more superior. Burn time for me is an issue, so having these burn at around 9 minutes or so for full disk copies is definitely impressive. I think i'm pretty much hooked on 8x now and being that the cheapest 8x disks i've seen in major local retailers like Best Buy, CompUsa, etc are about $2 each, i'll be getting more of these. I've burned about 60 or so thus far and not a single coaster or any issue for that matter. For the most part, perfect Nero CD Speed results and perfect DVDINFOPRO results. Playback has also been flawless.

[disturbed1]

Disturbed, you must be a newbie. Where are you getting your inaccurate, flawed information from? These 8x Matrix disks come from Taiwain, NOT, China or Hong Kong. If you can prove that these come from Hong Kong or China like you said, then do so. You won't be able to do that though.

By the way, if this is the same stunts that were pulled before as you said, then why isn't meritline or any other company selling these 8x Matrix disks? It doesn't take more then a turtle's brain to figure out that meritline would be the first to jump all over a deal to screw people, after all, they did it before with early generation Matrix disks which did have some issues. What's really interesting is meritline is still selling those crap disks under the Digital Matrix name. They don't care about screwing people so they'd be all over this deal if they could. But i'd love to know why they aren't, please enlighten me.

The actual plant factory is in Hong Kong.

Stating they came from Taiwan though just more evidence they are NOT actual taiyo yudens.


Shop4tech was the first company to import the Longten media (AKA Matrix). The warehouse maybe in Taiwan, but the plant is in Hong Kong.

[DVDeeZ]

The actual plant factory is in Hong Kong.

Actually, the plants are in BOTH Hong Kong & Taiwain. The 8x Matrix disks come from Taiwain, NOT Hong Kong. I've been purchasing these for quite a while and in large quantities, so i've done my homework. Where did I ever say these were manufactured "by" Taiyo Yuden? I didn't even say anything remotely like that. But these disks work so great that it's clear the processes used to make them are on the "superior" level.

When I initially got the disks I said I was shocked to see the media ID said Taiyo Yuden. I just didn't expect to see that. In addition, the countless other Matrix disks i've burned used a different dye. These use an azo dye and looking at the disks from the write side the dye looks identical to Taiyo's Dye. I have more then 100 Taiyos here so I'd know.

I'm also aware there are other media that have similar dye coloration but the point is that these disks have worked excellent, just as excellent as any actual Taiyo Yuden disk i've used which is why i'm purchasing more. These disks have been so great, that the truth is that I kind of agree with dvdtek. Who cares if they aren't Taiyo Yudens if they work exactly like them what differences does it make.

But if by slim chance shop4tech is engaged in some unethical business practices, then I won't buy from them again. Even with my positive results. I have no reason to believe they are. As far as Taiyo Yuden and them not outsourcing to "no name' companies as you put it. You don't understand the media business too well.

Prices are dropping so significantly there's a lot of things happening right now you wouldn't believe. If Verbatim, TDK, FUJI, IMATION and others can cut costs by using cheaper processes and cheaper chemicals for their disks, then Taiyo Yuden certainly can as well. It's about making $$$ any way you can. I don't know for certain that Taiyo and Matrix have a contract but I'll find out.

I'm sure your aware of the plethera of Optodisc issues right now, but Taiyo is still working with them. With the ample issues they are having they mine as well be a "no name" company.

[chas0039]

DVDeeZ:

What is it you are referring to, specifically, when you state "these disks have worked excellent"? I am not an expert but it seems to me that there is more to disc quality than the ability to record and playback and the color of the dye.

A serious concern of most in these forums is durability over time and that testing is not available with a no-name disc (yet). Additionally, I have seen dozens of Kprobe scans and the one thing that is clear is that different media performs differently depending on the drive and the firmware version. Have you done Kprobe scans?

[disturbed1]

When I initially got the disks I said I was shocked to see the media ID said Taiyo Yuden. I just didn't expect to see that. In addition, the countless other Matrix disks i've burned used a different dye. These use an azo dye and looking at the disks from the write side the dye looks identical to Taiyo's Dye. I have more then 100 Taiyos here so I'd know

100 WOW that sure is alot

Taiyo Yuden does not use AZO. AZO is a tech licened from Mitsubishi, which give the dye a "blue" color. Since you stated your Matrix look just like the CMC TDK's, which look nothing like Taiyo Yuden's, are you color blind? Or just have poor lightling?

Matrix is now OEM'ng media for Taiyo Yuden

You did say they were made by Taiyo Yuden. But now by recanting your first posting, and saying that they only have a TYG02 MID, and are not manufactored by Taiyo Yuden, you are admitting that they are using either a stolen MID stamper, or a fake one.

I don't know for certain that Taiyo and Matrix have a contract but I'll find out.

I already did. They wouldn't tell me for sure, but did hint to filing legal action against both the shippers and the suppliers, they are currently investigating.

You can call them directly. If your a sales rep, ask to speak with Chika (this is who I spoke with, sales rep for DVD media east coast), or perhaps anyone else could give you the same info. MicroBoards, the official distributor in the US for Taiyo Yuden, can also give you the info you need. Taiyo Yuden has a very small channel, it goes from Japan to Microboards to store to you. That's it. If Taiyo Yuden media came into the USA, it came from MicroBoards. Ask any Taiyo Yuden dealer (Rima, Mediasupply, Meritline) this is where they buy their Taiyo Yuden media from.

Chika Nakatsuka
Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc.
cnakatsuka@t-yuden.com

TAIYO YUDEN
attn: Chika
1770 La Costa Meadows Dr.
San Marcos, CA 92069
Phone:760-510-3320
Fax:760-471-4046

Not understanding the media business, that's another funny one. I don't care to comment on this subject anymore with you, my points are valid and proven, I'll leave it up to the other's to decide for themselves.

[madvx01]

BLAH!

[500AX]

This is a site to talk about service, price, and quality? what's up with all these nonesense conversation? you have made it sounds like Matrix is trying to run for next presiden of United States here, so we have to find out all the background of his or her. There is no where at shop4tech.com stating this matrix product is made by Taiyo Yuden nor advertising here it is Taiyo Yuden OEM. We had several people tried out this 8x media (Matrix) already, and what is the result? If this product is really sucks like other fake media TDK, then I would be the first one to talk shit or helping disturbed1 and lordsmurf to take down this f*ck up company and trust me I will do it hard. Disturbed1, I admire 100% of your effort to find out all this information for others, but I think it would be more helpful if you could find out the quality of it for us instead of calling those Japs for fact of who is factory behind the whole story. Quality is what we need to know here?

[DVDeeZ]

chaos, when I say excellent I mean that I have had no coasters and my test results have been great. Yes, I do run Kprobe and I've had great results with that as well. Average P0 = < 1, Average PI = <50. Usually between 10 and 50. I've had some Maxell disks get up to 190 on average PI, and PO avg of about 4 and they still play great. I've had some Princo disks get to 250 for avg PI and 20 for AVG PO and there are many issues with them. If I get a chance later on tonight i'll post some graphs.


Disturbed1, you either have a problem reading, can't comprehend what you read, or are intentionally trying to cut and paste my original sentences into your newly created sentences so that you can reply to them. My guess is it's a combination of all three.


Disturbed1 wrote:

You did say they were made by Taiyo Yuden.

Once again, no, I did not say that. I'll try to keep this so that a 5 year old can understand it.

My original statement was this:

So I quickly sent shop4tech an email asking how this could be and they responded within' an hour and said this is no mistake. Matrix is now OEM'ng media for Taiyo Yuden and this is what I've got!

I guess it was the two joining sentences that confused you, so let me make this one sentence to help you out.

When I saw these Matrix disks had a Taiyo Yuden MID, I quickly emailed shop4tech who then responded by telling me that this was no mistake and that Matrix is now OEM'ng these disks for Taiyo Yuden.

Now I think you might just get it.


You then said:

Taiyo Yuden does not use AZO. AZO is a tech licened from Mitsubishi, which give the dye a "blue" color. Since you stated your Matrix look just like the CMC TDK's, which look nothing like Taiyo Yuden's, are you color blind? Or just have poor lightling?

Now I'm really thinking that dyslexia is the problem here. I don't think you'd be foolish enough to keep making new sentences to fit yourself out of what I wrote when my original posts are right here for anyone to view.

That dyslexia kicks in full effect here. What I said was this:

The dye looked very deep just like Taiyo Yuden dye

I never said anything about Taiyo using an AZO dye.

Oh, and as far as coloration and appearance go, you said this:

Since you stated your Matrix look just like the CMC TDK's, which look nothing like Taiyo Yuden's, are you color blind? Or just have poor lightling?

And once again, you're incorrect. That's what 0-4, yea, you're OFOR alright. What's funny here is that you don't even have a single one of these 8x Matrix disks but you're gonna try and b.s post how you know they look when you don't even have any?

These disks do look almost identical on the write side to Taiyos as did the TDK CMC disks which again, you obviously haven't ever seen. Those CMC disks have a MID of TTG01 and when I initially purchased those disks I was shocked to learn there were CMC manufactured because the dye was neat and clean, unlike my, and many others negative experiences with CMC disks in the past. Not to mention they burn like champions which surprised me.

As a matter of fact, when I posted this sale to let others get in on it, someone responded named TerminalVeloCD who is apparently familiar with the TDK CMC TTG01 MID disks and he said this:

TTG01 discs are either made by TDK or CMC. If the label on the packaging reads "Made in Japan", then these discs are made in-house by TDK in Japan. If the label read "Made in Taiwan", your discs are made by CMC using TDK dye and stampers. And yes, TTG01 and TYG01 dye looks similar, although the discs do have differences.
Regards,
TerminalVeloCD

There must be a perfectly good explanation for this. They must be color-blind as well as myself. Yep, that's the ticket. Dyslexia and being color-blind, wow, that would disturb anybody. I hope i'm not making you more disturbed.

As far as calling Taiyo Yuden:

I already did. They wouldn't tell me for sure, but did hint to filing legal action against both the shippers and the suppliers, they are currently investigating.

Of course they wouldn't tell you for sure. Myrdhinn said they called them well before you did. You didn't do anything special. Let's see what transpires from this legal action. You can't have legal action brought against someone with whom you're engaged with.

Not sure what your purpose in this post was but after I corrected your incorrect bogus information regarding these 8x Matrix disks origin and otherwise you felt the need to try and save some face apparently, but that's now failed as well. Good thing other people can't edit an actual original posters posts though.

[madvx01]

Let me put my two cents in .... I don't claim to be as knowledgeable and experienced as a lot of you on this subject but, here is my own personal experience and opinion about these Matrix disks. I took a chance and bought a 50 pack of these 8x media based solely on a hunch that DVDeez was merely trying only to give everyone a great tip so that we could all get in on this deal. He seemed sincere and I was tired of the occasional coasters with the Prodisc 4x and the god-offal Riteks of late. I was running out of media and it was time to buy. I want to save money while I’m at it and again, it was a gamble but if they are as good as DVDeez said - I wanted in.

When they arrived I took a couple from the top, middle and bottom of the pack and then I proceeded to make back-ups of my movies using DVDdecryptor and DVDshrink. I did all the same checks and tests. All the same as DVDeez stated. So far - so good. After I made about a dozen I sat down and began to watch each movie I backed-up from beginning to end.

After watching the first three or four movies - they all played on my PC and my Sony disk changer in the living room btw, I decided to buy a 100 pack. I didn't want to wait till something happened or changed with the media. I received and checked that pack the same way as well.

Now, after all this time, I've been burning away and have burned a total 42 so far and all seem excellent. In fact I just ordered another 100 pack. I'm taking this day to watch more of the movies I’ve burned and wanted to share my experience with you guys. - There's the facts - I'm just telling it as it is.. – Thanks DVDeez for the fantastic tip. I will let you guys know if I run into any problems and if I burn a coaster.

And, let's hope the quality continues with these Matrix disks.

[dvdtek]

Picking up another 100 pcs today!

[lordsmurf]

When I initially got the disks I said I was shocked to see the media ID said Taiyo Yuden. I just didn't expect to see that. In addition, the countless other Matrix disks i've burned used a different dye. These use an azo dye and looking at the disks from the write side the dye looks identical to Taiyo's Dye. I have more then 100 Taiyos here so I'd know.

Then why did you write this?

You then said:

Taiyo Yuden does not use AZO. AZO is a tech licened from Mitsubishi, which give the dye a "blue" color. Since you stated your Matrix look just like the CMC TDK's, which look nothing like Taiyo Yuden's, are you color blind? Or just have poor lightling?

Now I'm really thinking that dyslexia is the problem here. I don't think you'd be foolish enough to keep making new sentences to fit yourself out of what I wrote when my original posts are right here for anyone to view.

That dyslexia kicks in full effect here. What I said was this:

The dye looked very deep just like Taiyo Yuden dye

I never said anything about Taiyo using an AZO dye.

So then, what exactly do you mean? Please tell us. We're not understanding you. It's almost written in riddles.

It's hard to cut through all the attitude. I fail to see why you act this way. If you just calmed down a bit, we'd probably have a nicer discussion. You get so angry when somebody says something you don't like or don't agree with, and out fly the cuss words and insults. How nice. We're not your enemy, you're making yourself that way. Not necessary.

How about this?
- No quoting credentials
- No blasting members or abusive arguing
- No libel or rumors (supermediastore, fake Ritek RMA scandal)
- Just feedback and kind discussion? :P

[chas0039]

lordsmurf:

That was a nice gesture and good advice for all. Once in a while we need someone to remind us that it is nothing personal.

I sincerely hope we can all get back to what we agree on; great 100 year media at a rock bottom price (with free shipping).

[gmatov]

DVDeez,

I've heard this so many times before, when I got to the bottom of the stack they turned to shit.

Why don't you take 5 from the middle, 5 from 3/4 way down, 5 from the bottom, burn those then post?

Pipple seem to think, either they shove the shit to the bottom, or they get the "good" dye squished out from being squeezed on your desk for 2 weeks, not to mention they have been in transit and in a warehouse for maybe 6 months, don't you think any "squish" would have happened already?

I use cheap stuff, myself, no problems, have bought as low as 33 cents at flea markets, guess what, perfect burn, perfect play, just have to check to see if they still are perfect after 2 months.

Is my sys better, have I got a better LiteOn 411, 851, or NEC 2500 than yunz? KProbe, DVDInfo tell me all is well, Philips DVD player says all is well, PS2 says all is well, rather cheap personal DVD take with you player says all is well. What the hell is the point of this discussion? Who has more money to waste?

If the stuff burns/plays as well as TY with a TY label, though I have never seen such a disk, with TY prominently printed on it, why would any of you dout the man? Snobbishness?
" I only use the very best, and it is always the most expensive. So I do buy by price. Inversely, but, by God, I pay top dollar, and I expect to get top dollar media."

Go fuckin' figure.

Cheers,

George
Lordsmurf,
I usually exempt you, as it is your living, but maybe just this once you could check to see if you may be a little in error. Try the "crap". You are sounding like TXPharoah, you get what you pay for, pay top buck, you will never go wrong. Bull shit.

[gmatov]

DVDeez,
Never mind Disturbed 1, he's a "newbie", he's only been here 3 years plus, with 10 times the posts you have. He must not know NEARLY as much as you do.

I am not, in any way, taking your side, here, just that I DO buy "defective" media, cheap stuff that everyone here knows will not last any longer than it takes to cool down from the laser from the burning process.

But you got to give some of those here a little slack. You, yourself, are not the be all and end all as to knowledge as to whether a disk is good.

I hate to say you are pushing these goddamned things so hard you are starting to sound like a schill for the company..

You do know, don't you, that all those disks come from the original glass and nickle masters, from Company A. And b, c, and d buy and press disks, and the data lathe cut into the Master tells you only what the original Mfg. intends to use as dye?

Secondary buyers of another Master can piss on the disk, and DVDInfopro will tell you TY, because it is lathe cut into the die, and stamped onto the blank before it is dyed and sold.

Cheers,

George

[lordsmurf]

Gmatov, I've been using hundreds (maybe thousands now) of PRODISCS03 media. Hardly top buck when 200 cost me $72 and are mostly flawless 4x burns (few coasters, not too many, some of them my fault). I'm all for budget. I'm not rich at all.

My complaint here is the historic garbage of Matrix, the historic relationships with fake MXL (which started good, but went to landfill material soon thereafter), and with using likely fake TY codes.

[indolikaa]

...but I think it would be more helpful if you could find out the quality of it for us instead of calling those Japs for fact of who is factory behind the whole story.

Grrr...

[gitreel]

...but I think it would be more helpful if you could find out the quality of it for us instead of calling those Japs for fact of who is factory behind the whole story.

I guess you haven't heard that Bill Parcells got into a heap of trouble for using slanguage like that.

[500AX]

Indolikaa, don't take it wrong way! I have no race problem or anything here ok! Sorry about it I meant "Japanese", by the way, I am 1/4 Japanese myself too.

[stiltman]

Jewish American Princess


I know, I know......my bad 8)


edit: moot point as I was late in posting

[indolikaa]

Indolikaa, don't take it wrong way! I have no race problem or anything here ok! Sorry about it I meant "Japanese", by the way, I am 1/4 Japanese myself too.

No problem.

[disturbed1]

and trust me I will do it hard. Disturbed1, I admire 100% of your effort to find out all this information for others, but I think it would be more helpful if you could find out the quality of it for us instead of calling those Japs for fact of who is factory behind the whole story. Quality is what we need to know here?

I agree, but the quality was never a question/nor concern, with myself. Look at gmatov, he is very happy with main stream media, as are many, many people. So what doesn't work for one person, may work well for another. I've always stood by that. Just because I use only Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim, and Maxell, does not mean, someone else could have the same/better results with different media.

The beef I have, is that DVDeeZ mis represented a product, and then changed his wording 100% in later posts. And the fact that most threads are about Shop4tech and/or Matrix media.


Thanks Lordsmurf, for quoting those for me. I was in utter shock when DVDeez said he didn't actually post those statements. DVDeez, what ever your on, you should layoff of it for a few days and let the cobwebs clear

[DVDeeZ]

smurf, what exactly don't you get about what i've posted. I said "MATRIX" these meaning "MATRIX" use an AZO dye, the Matrix disks look like Taiyo Yudens. I never said Taiyo Yuden uses or used an Azo dye. If I did then post that sentence. "THESE" referred (obviously) to the Matrix disks with the Taiyo MID. All the other stuff i've already responded to with facts so there's no reason to go back there.


Disturbed, you and smurf are clealry both confused and/or disturbed. I've already once again wasted more time posting the same thing three times now. Here disturbed, let's make this for a four year old, not a five year old. Without cutting and pasting any of what I wrote, take a simple sentence which shows that I said Taiyo Yuden uses an Azo dye. That is what you said I said, so post it. You can't post it because I never said it.

I think you'll both get it now. The third time is usually a charm.

More importantly though, how about responding to all the incorrect, bogus information you posted? Or better yet, the other several quotes which I responded to where you can't possibley mouse you way out of.


As far as this post smurf, I don't have any attitude, it's you that started the profanity and cussing. You talk about childish banter, yet you step into the kitchen to start the cooking but when facts were mentioned that you still have no idea about and that heat got turned up you whined and cried to Baldrick to move the thread. You cried to him so you're preaching for supermediastore could continue unimpeded. You then decided in other threads that had nothing to do with Ritek to post more of your own childish banter and whine and cry more and when that didn't work you are the one that started with the profanity with your kindergarten charkboard drawing.

Instead of answering any one of the three questions I asked, you decided to respond with absolute jibberish. I'm sure there were a hell of a lot of forum members scratching their heads saying, boy, smurfie hasn't answered a single one of those questions. Boy, I want to know how that 500ax guy posted about those horrific Ritek disks prior to anyone having mentioned they purchased them or had problems with them. I wonder how that 500ax guy posted real named of real people with real positions, which one could not just obtain with some phone call. People wanted answers and they got the answers, but they weren't from you.

I see you felt the need to mention the Ritek issue here again in this post, so something must be irking you. I guess it's the fact that it's the alimighty smurf that's supposed to have the facts, not someone who doesn't have 5 zillion posts. It's only been three weeks since you sent your "contact" an email, let us know what they say.

Back to this topic though, I didn't have any attitude here either. I just didn't think it was fair to any forum member to be given false information regarding these disks and then having the nerve to compare them to phoney maxell or TDK disks which didn't even work, especially when the person didn't even have a single one of these disks to look at or use for themselves. Anyone can do the exact same thing the next time an unknown media id is discovered. Just post and say it comes from here or there and it's the same as this or that. How would they know, they don't even have the disks to begin with, or at the very least, the knowledge of where the disks actually do get manufactured or about the disks in general.

How does giving false information help anyone here on the forum?

gmatov, have you seen any of my other posts? No, I don't have a zillion like some others, I don't have the time to post that much fortunately. I've posted sales and excellent deals over the last five months from places like Best Buy, CompUsa, Office Depot, etc. I think i've posted a post here and there regarding excellent deals from shop4tech because that is my preference for online media. I've purchased from other online vendors as well, my purchase prior to these Matrix purchases came from Rima. I'm like anyone else, someone that is looking for a great deal without getting stuck with crap. Pretty plain and simple.

As far as using disks from top, bottom, etc. I purchased 100 of them and they came in two seperate 50 pack spindle cake boxes. I burned all of the first spindle and about 10% of the second. Still not a single issue and nothing but excellent results. If something changes then I will certainly post that as well. As I said, these disks are a fraction of what 8x disks cost in major retailers, burn time is an issue for me and the results have been extremely impressive. It doesn't really get much simpler then that.