Need help with Avermedia Dvd ezmaker pro pci

[SHS]

I did everything frame by frame play thur my Xcard and WinDVD and was out standing soild all way thur it.

[FulciLives]

Can I upload a short video clip to your server SHS?

If so where is the link to do so

My clip is captured on an AverTV Stereo PCI capture card using PICVideo MJPEG on the 19 quality setting. I then encoded it CCE using 8000kbps video bitrate and 256kbps MP2 audio.

My capture is 720x480 NTSC 29.970fps

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
The file is just shy of 1 minute and the file size is just under 60MB

*** EDIT ***
Here is a pic from my DVD spec MPEG file:

This screen cap done using WinDVD

[Tperez2]

That seems to indicate that the source material is the problem does anyone have a different opinion?? Now let me ask can either the pvr 250 or an AIW card correct these problems on the fly??

I dont want to spend anymore money and find that the captures havent gotten any better.

[SHS]

The server addrees is rigth here
ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/incoming/

[FulciLives]

Thank you SHS

I am uploading my clip now as I type this. The file name is flclip1.mpg

When I am done uploading this I will download more clips from Tperez2 since I haven't seen the one yet that you SHS said looked outstanding.

I did download and watch LordSmurf's clip. It actually isn't too bad considering it is 352x480 and most importantly he used a really low bitrate. I have no doubt that the compression artifacts on his X-MEN clip would go away if recorded at a higher bitrate. I should point out that playing out through my Hollywood Plus card to my 13" TV it looks rather good. In other words I think the compression artifacts can really on be seen on a computer screen or perhaps high end/large screen TV. Again LS used a really low bitrate for this clip.

BTW I edited my last post (see above) to include an image from the video clip that I am currently uploading.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[SHS]

No problem
How ever I reanme the Tperez2 clips
rte = REALtime Encoding
you know what avi2mpg is
rte_tvshow.mpg
rte_cartoon.mpg
avi2mpg_moive.mpg
avi2mpg_toon.mpg
rte_moive.mpg

By the way screenshot look a bit on blur side

That odd I use 3.0MB VBR which much lower low bitrate then LordSmurf's clip

[lordsmurf]

Quite a bit of that noise you see is passed from the DirecTV signal, not something added by ATI. Especially the pixel noise in the upper overscan, all DSS problems (actually, Hughes receiver problems). I dropped satellite for a while because it was almost worse quality than my free cable (free with Internet connection).

SHS, the thing to be noticed about the sample clip is you're dealing with continual scene change at a low bitrate, live capture VBR. Nothing is on screen for more than a handful of frames. Most other capture cards would have given you pure blocks, not an image.

All the tperex images have had bad interlace control and bad block issues that I've seen so far (may have missed a couple of samples). I don't have this issue.

If it were more calm footage, it would be much better. Same for higher max bitrate (that was 3.4 avg with 3.5 max from an old template .. if it says otherwise on the site, it's wrong). That signal is also from a slightly noisier coax signal from a 100-foot cable output from a satellite receiver. Everything adds up.

That file could also have been corrupted. I'm not sure. My drive crashed a week ago, my backup before it had all my data, but I'm just now noticing a few things (like my MP3's) have some distortions now that used to not exist. Apparently, my drive deterioration is much older, months older, than I first suspected. I've not looked at it in months. I'll do that when I add some more in the future.

Stills are also useless. You can't judge from stills. Author to DVD-RW, play on a tv to judge quality. I cannot stress that enough.

Again, if anybody wants a specific kind of capture made, let me know. Tell me the kind of footage, kind of signal, kind of wiring, etc, and I'll see what I can provide.

[SHS]

Ok FulciLives I just upload my default 352x480 VBR 3MB recording scheduler for SageTV this what I use to main lee to record hundred of episodes like Babylon5, Stargate SG-1, Walker Texas Ranger, etc etc.
ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/moive_clip/shs_clip
What think of it?.

[SHS]

That odd I got better PQ from DirecTV then I did with Dishnetwork but DirecTV dropout more dring stroms then Dishnetwork so chosse to stick with Dishnetwork.
Then folk over some new clip REALtime ATI MPEG encoding clips.

[FulciLives]

No problem
How ever I reanme the Tperez2 clips
rte = REALtime Encoding
you know what avi2mpg is
rte_tvshow.mpg
rte_cartoon.mpg
avi2mpg_moive.mpg
avi2mpg_toon.mpg
rte_moive.mpg

Damn that is a lot of clips! Which of the newer clips should I download? I only downloaded so far the first clip (which was called tperez.mpg) and the other clip called avi2mpg.mpg.

I stopped downloaded the cartoon.mpg because Tperez2 said it was done as a VCD.

By the way screenshot look a bit on blur side

Yes my screen grab above does look a bit "blurry" but perhaps that is just the way it came out on the screen grab. It looks great (IMHO) playing it back on a TV using my Hollywood Plus card. I always encode through Avisynth to CCE and I used the AviSynth Convolution3D "video noise" filter ... perhaps my "setting" was "too high". I used the "movieLQ" setting. Maybe I shoud have used the "movieHQ" setting instead.

I also did download your clip SHS (shs_dish_toon.mpg) and it looks great on my TV and even looking at it frame by frame in VirtualDubMod it looks very good

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
I can try doing a cartoon catpure but I only have analog TV no cable or dish at the moment but if anyone wants I could try capturing a DVD cartoon ... I have the Pioneer SE of AKIRA for instance (the one in the black tin can). I also have some X-MEN EVOLUTION and SCOOBY DOO on VHS from when I had cable that were recorded SP speed on a Hi-Fi Stereo VCR. Those are not old recordings just did them before I got into capturing which I didn't start BIG TIME until maybe 8 months ago.

[FulciLives]

Ok FulciLives I just upload my default 352x480 VBR 3MB recording scheduler for SageTV this what I use to main lee to record hundred of episodes like Babylon5, Stargate SG-1, Walker Texas Ranger, etc etc.
ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/moive_clip/shs_clip
What think of it?.

Well like I said I already downloaded your clip shs_dish_toon.mpg and it looks REALLY good.

I'm now downloading the clip called 352x480_3mb_vbr.mpg

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[SHS]

This is newest
rte_cartoon.mpg
avi2mpg_toon.mpg
rte_moive.mpg

That cartoon.mpg is full size that VCD I done del which was never move download folder so you where downlaod the full frame.

[Tperez2]

I just want to thank everyone for all the help you people spent 2 days on this and im very greatful. at this point im leaning toward the AIW 9800 PRO to kill two birds with one stone so to speak.

[FulciLives]

@SHS
I downloaded your clip 352x480_3mb_vbr.mpg and it looks REALLY good. I could only find a faint hint of compression artifacts on only a few frames. Even these are so minor (using VirutalDubMod) that it ain't no big deal. I mean that's a low bitrate you know!

Very impressed!

I'm curious what you think of the clip I uploaded once you get a change to see it.

Right now I'm downloading rte_movie_mpg and will download some more of the recent clips from Tperez2

I'm probably gonna leave soon though for a few hours ...

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Tperez2]

Well I just ordred my ATI AIW 9800 PRO from new egg should be here in a few days. If all goes well ill pass the other card on to someone who isnt so picky. Thanks for all the help and be well.

[SHS]

Look really good here with Playback
But odd thing is jake a bit when play it in under MPEG2VCR like there missing frames here and they and blur was stiill there in my eye that what I see other then that it really good on the TVset using Xcard and I'm using Component YUV Output
Just for fun I may loop this clip and re-recorder by outputing to the Xcard looping back in to PVR 250 S/Video to see how it turn out.

[lordsmurf]

That odd I got better PQ from DirecTV then I did with Dishnetwork but DirecTV dropout more dring stroms then Dishnetwork so chosse to stick with Dishnetwork.
Then folk over some new clip REALtime ATI MPEG encoding clips.

That capture was done months ago, and the height of them playing with compression and messing with transponders. A lot of this also depends on the receiver. Mine are years old, some of the earliest ones.

[SHS]

Well Tperez2 I'm not picky hehe.

[Tperez2]

Uh well actually I was planning passing this on to a relative of mine usually with i upgrade my system i upgrade his at the same time but I do want to thank you for all your help.

I have a question or 2 about the AIW can i view the image in full screen while i capture??? I plan attaching my card to the component inputs of my 27 inch sony tv once it gets repaired. Second can the card be used with any other programs or must i use it with the bundled software???

[FulciLives]

I looked at rte_movie.mpg and I still see some compression artifacts so I don't know if they were there or not.

So far I like SHS's captures best ... and my own :P

Not sure why you found mind to be shaky because I'm not getting that when I play it back to the TV (via my Hollywood Plus) and I looked at it in VirtualDubMod and it seems fine there too

I loaded the original AVI into VirtualDubMod and there are no dropped frames!

I'm going to encode it one more time and this time I'm going to use lower (less) setting on the "video noise" filter to see if that helps make it any sharper.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[lordsmurf]

Uh well actually I was planning passing this on to a relative of mine usually with i upgrade my system i upgrade his at the same time but I do want to thank you for all your help.

I have a question or 2 about the AIW can i view the image in full screen while i capture??? I plan attaching my card to the component inputs of my 27 inch sony tv once it gets repaired. Second can the card be used with any other programs or must i use it with the bundled software???

Yes, fullscreen, but that's a bad idea on any card. Can cause dropped frames, can confuse the CPU, RAM, etc.

ATI works with a number of other programs. I can use it in Premiere, for example (using new drivers).

Most of the bundled software sucks. Get newest ATI MMC from ati.com and use all those discs as drink coasters.

[FulciLives]

Well I recorded my clip with a lower "video noise" filter setting and although it was a bit sharper it was very sutble and hard to notice. I'm sure the two clips would look pretty much identical on a TV.

Not sure why that clip is so soft to begin with but looking at it in in VirtualDubMod even the raw AVI looks a bit soft.

Could be my reception ... that was from "rabbit ears" hehehe

Anyways good luck with the ATI AIW there Tperez2.

This was fun

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[SHS]

Only shaky in Womble MPEG2VCR FulciLives which ack like drop frames it could be the way you encode it.
There no need to do another get demo of Womble MPEG2VCR see if it shaky on you with your MPEG file you did.
Thing I like about Womble MPEG2VCR it read RAW MPEG IMAGE like BMP files unlike other tools which use the frame before and after to mask one soild frame and other reson why I like is it dosen't use Overlay or VMR which we know can look blur.

[Tperez2]

Ok shoud have the ati card by tuesday let me ask all you aiw users out there will i be able to start capturing right away or is there a steep learning curve???

[Tperez2]

Im a little worried right now been reading about alot of problems using AIW 9800 for capturing older video tapes. It seems that they detect macrovision where there is none. Lord smurf. have you heard of this before??? Have you had any of these problems???

[lordsmurf]

Im a little worried right now been reading about alot of problems using AIW 9800 for capturing older video tapes. It seems that they detect macrovision where there is none. Lord smurf. have you heard of this before??? Have you had any of these problems???

This happens on ATI, as well as many other cards. If the signal is damaged (bad tape) or the wiring/VCR is sending a bad signal ... and the signal error is the same kind of error as MV ... then it would trip it.

A lot of this will depend on the tape, wiring, VCR, etc.

[SHS]

Good news it like look the AVerMedia UltraTV Media Center PCI 500, 550, DVD EZMaker Pro PCI and possable DVD EZMaker Pro USB2.0 are going get 3rdparty support with SageTV and SageTV Recorder soon.

[FulciLives]

Im a little worried right now been reading about alot of problems using AIW 9800 for capturing older video tapes. It seems that they detect macrovision where there is none. Lord smurf. have you heard of this before??? Have you had any of these problems???

Get a DataVideo TBC-1000

This will re-sync bad tapes (even can make good tapes look better) and as a "side effect" it removes all known forms of copy protection so you can even copy from a copy protected VHS or DVD (although it makes more sense to back-up a DVD on a computer by ripping it etc.).

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Tperez2]

I wont be doing that many tape captues I have maybe 7 tapes that i would want to copy and 5 of them were only played once or twice my girlfriend has a few tapes of family functions that she needs copied Ill just have to hope that they will copy properly I think its time to invest in a dv cam

[lordsmurf]

I think its time to invest in a dv cam

Since you're obviously a stickler on quality, I suggest looking at triple-CCD DV or DVC instead of the budget jobs.