DVD to PC

[umps]

i recorded a movie from tv onto a dvd+rw with my dvd recorder/player. how do i transfer that dvd to my pc so that i can edit it? i don't need to know how to edit it, i just need to know how to get it onto my pc.

thanks

[adam]

You just need a DVD-Rom installed in your pc. Stick the disk in, browse it, and drag and drop all the files to a folder on your pc.

[umps]

i did that. there were 2 folders: Video_RM and Video_TS. in the Video_TS folder was the movie, actually 3 files containing the movie: Video_TS.IFO, 12 kb; VTS_01_0.IFO, 82 kb; VTS_02_0.IFO, 22 kb -- all with IFO extensions. when i double click on any one of those files, i can play the movie. when i try to import these IFO files to my editing software (whether it be windows movie maker or lifeview fly video 3000) it says 'format not valid' or it just won't bring it up at all. Fly Video converts avi to mpeg and edits mpeg.

my options when i right click on Video_TS folder, for example, are (amongst the normal places to send to or things to do in winxp): 1) add to archive; 2) add to Video_TS rar (which i did and it didn't help); 3) compress and email.

i guess the question is how to convert these IFO files to avi or mpeg, or i'm not really sure where to go from here.

any advice.

thanks

[adam]

I've never used a settop recorder, but from your description it apparantly stores the videos differently then on a regular DVD. Your files must be in the Video_RM directlry and there are some IFO files stored in the VIDEO_TS directory which link back to the vob files, where the video/audio itself is stored.


I'd go into the Video_RM directory and just copy the vob files to your hard drive. Then you can process them according to the dvd ripping guides on this site. For instance, you can load them directly into VirtualDubMod and edit them there. Or you can run them through dvd2avi and then load the d2v into TMPGenc encoder. From there you can do some limited editing as well.

[gshelley61]

In addition to the .IFO files, you should be seeing either .VOB files (standard finalized DVD-Video) or .VRO files (DVD-VR recording format).

The .IFO files do not contain the MPEG2 video that DVD's are made of... they direct your media player to the .VOB files (which are simply .MPG video files with a different extension).

Look again in the folder you saved the DVD files to using Explore (right click on your Windows "start" button in the lower left corner). You should be able to see all the files that way. Check that Video_RM folder, too.

[andyp1]

I use TMPGenc DVD Author for getting clips from my philips recorded DVD+RW's to my HD.
I end up with a .mpg file to work with.

DVD Decrypter in file mode will let you extract the vobs as .vobs

Drag and Drop doesn't work.

[umps]

i was finally able to bring it up using WinDVD Creator.

there is one more problem. whatever software i use to capture video and where ever i capture it from, whether it be from TV or DVD, there are VERTICAL lines (about 3, about 1/8 inch wide each) throughout the entire movie. FlyVideo tech told me it is because my pci card does not support "Sunlight TV" which is my satellite TV. before i was told that i was told some settings could be changed in the BIOS to help that (but according to FlyVideo tech that is not for satellite TV).

anyone know how i can get those VERTICAL lines out? everything else looks great except that. also, i have never done anything to the settings in my Vanta VGA card settings. maybe something should be set there, i don't know.

thanks for all the responses so far. just a little bit further and i'll have it made, or else just out of luck.

thanks again

[vcdforme]

Could it be macrovison?

[hech54]

I don't get it. How did the words CAPTURE and DVD RECORDER/PLAYER end up in this scenario? Why would you capture to a computer FROM a DVD Recorder?

[umps]

Could it be macrovison?

What do you mean by "macrovision"?

[umps]

I use TMPGenc DVD Author for getting clips from my philips recorded DVD+RW's to my HD.
I end up with a .mpg file to work with.

DVD Decrypter in file mode will let you extract the vobs as .vobs

Drag and Drop doesn't work.

could you please be more specific. i am blue in the face trying to read all the help forums on this subject (don't get me wrong, i more than appreciate the help forum and have used it hundreds of times) but i just can't seem to get this registered in my mind correctly, and trial and error is not helping me.

From my DVD+RW i extracted the vob files using DVD Decryptor and then imported them to Womble MPEG2-VCR which works fine but when i save the file any which way that it can be saved and then try to burn it, it won't play in my recorder. i did bring it up the icon in my recorder's menu which also indicated it was burned in Nero, after burning with Nero, but i couldn't get it to play (nothing on the remote worked at that point). When trying to burn this mpg or (vcd or svcd encoded in nero) i get error messages "not valid file format" and same in RecordNow. when selecting the source (vob or mpeg file) in TMPGenc when trying to do DVD to NTSC i get error message "cannot open or is unsuported".

is there any way you could just give me a quick short step-by-step run down of how you do it in TMPGenc, all the way to the burning software you use and what extensions you use? i would very much appreciate it. i am not unfamiliar with any of the mentioned software, i am just unfamiliar with using them with DVD+RWs.

thank you so much for your time

umps

[lgh529]

After your done editing with Womble, you have to author the DVD to play it in a desktop player. You can't just burn the mpg to a DVD and have it play. If your trying to make a VCD or SVCD, then you have to re-encode your DVD compliant (at least hopefully compliant) to those formats.

I don't own a DVD Recorder, but here is my best guess on your process:

1. Either a) use DVD Decrypter directly on your recorded disk or b) copy all the vob files to your hard drive and use DVD Decrypter to save vobs correctly to open

2. Edit in Womble

3. If not making DVD, then re-encode.

4. If making DVD, then author it.

5. Burn

[gshelley61]

From my DVD+RW i extracted the vob files using DVD Decryptor and then imported them to Womble MPEG2-VCR which works fine but when i save the file any which way that it can be saved and then try to burn it, it won't play in my recorder. i did bring it up the icon in my recorder's menu which also indicated it was burned in Nero, after burning with Nero, but i couldn't get it to play (nothing on the remote worked at that point). When trying to burn this mpg or (vcd or svcd encoded in nero) i get error messages "not valid file format" and same in RecordNow. when selecting the source (vob or mpeg file) in TMPGenc when trying to do DVD to NTSC i get error message "cannot open or is unsuported".

is there any way you could just give me a quick short step-by-step run down of how you do it in TMPGenc, all the way to the burning software you use and what extensions you use? i would very much appreciate it. i am not unfamiliar with any of the mentioned software, i am just unfamiliar with using them with DVD+RWs.

thank you so much for your time

umps

After you create your new edited .mpg file in Womble MPEG-VCR, you must author it to DVD. This does not re-encode the video... it converts it to DVD compliant file structure (.BUP, .IFO, .VOB). Don't re-encode/re-compress your .mpg with a video editing program or TMPGEnc.

The easiest program for authoring .mpg into DVD's is TMPGEnc DVD Author. It has an unrestricted 30 day trial period to check it out. Note that if your .mpg has AC3 audio (most DVD recorders do), you won't be able to hear it without purchasing their AC3 plug-in, but it will be there in the finished DVD.

You can also do simple DVD authoring in IFOEdit freeware, but you'll need to demux the .mpg first (you can use VOBEdit, TMPGEnc MPEG Tools, etc.). If you want chapter stops, MPEG2Schnitt will let you pick them out and create a chapter point text file for use in IFOEdit when you author. MPEG2 Schnitt also allows you to hear AC3 audio while you are picking chapter points (or performing simple cuts).

[umps]

From my DVD+RW i extracted the vob files using DVD Decryptor and then imported them to Womble MPEG2-VCR which works fine but when i save the file any which way that it can be saved and then try to burn it, it won't play in my recorder. i did bring it up the icon in my recorder's menu which also indicated it was burned in Nero, after burning with Nero, but i couldn't get it to play (nothing on the remote worked at that point). When trying to burn this mpg or (vcd or svcd encoded in nero) i get error messages "not valid file format" and same in RecordNow. when selecting the source (vob or mpeg file) in TMPGenc when trying to do DVD to NTSC i get error message "cannot open or is unsuported".

is there any way you could just give me a quick short step-by-step run down of how you do it in TMPGenc, all the way to the burning software you use and what extensions you use? i would very much appreciate it. i am not unfamiliar with any of the mentioned software, i am just unfamiliar with using them with DVD+RWs.

thank you so much for your time

umps

After you create your new edited .mpg file in Womble MPEG-VCR, you must author it to DVD. This does not re-encode the video... it converts it to DVD compliant file structure (.BUP, .IFO, .VOB). Don't re-encode/re-compress your .mpg with a video editing program or TMPGEnc.

The easiest program for authoring .mpg into DVD's is TMPGEnc DVD Author. It has an unrestricted 30 day trial period to check it out. Note that if your .mpg has AC3 audio (most DVD recorders do), you won't be able to hear it without purchasing their AC3 plug-in, but it will be there in the finished DVD.

You can also do simple DVD authoring in IFOEdit freeware, but you'll need to demux the .mpg first (you can use VOBEdit, TMPGEnc MPEG Tools, etc.). If you want chapter stops, MPEG2Schnitt will let you pick them out and create a chapter point text file for use in IFOEdit when you author. MPEG2 Schnitt also allows you to hear AC3 audio while you are picking chapter points (or performing simple cuts).

before i author, i want to make sure i understand you correctly. you said "after you create your new edited mpg file in womble, you must author it to dvd, which converts it to dvd compliant file structure (bup, ifo, vob). well, the first thing i did to get the files off the dvd+rw was to decrypt in dvd decrypter which made VOB files which i then imported to womble to edit. therefore, why would i author back to VOB? maybe i just don't understand the concept of 'authoring', which i've never done before or read up on yet. if what you said is still ok to do after what i just told you, then i am sorry to have bothered you again. if you say that is the way it is done, then i will go ahead and do it. again, i just wanted to make sure you understood that they had already been VOB files to start with after decrypting.

thanks

[ZippyP.]

If you want to make a DVD that will play in your set top DVD player then you need to take your mpeg file and convert it back into the structure of a DVD disk..that is what "authoring" does, it takes an mpeg and creates VOB files (as well as a few others) and makes menus and all the other good things that make up a DVD. There's a whole section of this site devoted to authoring, it's in green over there <-<-<-.

[umps]

If you want to make a DVD that will play in your set top DVD player then you need to take your mpeg file and convert it back into the structure of a DVD disk..that is what "authoring" does, it takes an mpeg and creates VOB files (as well as a few others) and makes menus and all the other good things that make up a DVD. There's a whole section of this site devoted to authoring, it's in green over there <-<-<-.

thank you. i have checked out everything i mentioned and what everyone here mentioned and everything seems great except for two things:

1) in tmpgenc when i edit a commercial, for instance, and then play it back, there is a very noticeable glitch/noise at each place i edited out a commerical and you can see part of the video of the beginning of the commercial i cut. i figure it is always going to be that way with tmpgenc, so i am going to edit in womble. if that is not a normal glitch in tmpgenc let me know.

2) last of all, it is a little irritating to have to use 3 different software programs to do those three things i want to do: 1) transfer from dvd to pc; then 2) edit; then 3) burn back to dvd. is there another software program besides tmpgenc that can do all three? if tmpgenc author's editing function wasn't glitchy, then it would be excellent for all that i want to do.

thanks

[gshelley61]

before i author, i want to make sure i understand you correctly. you said "after you create your new edited mpg file in womble, you must author it to dvd, which converts it to dvd compliant file structure (bup, ifo, vob). well, the first thing i did to get the files off the dvd+rw was to decrypt in dvd decrypter which made VOB files which i then imported to womble to edit. therefore, why would i author back to VOB? maybe i just don't understand the concept of 'authoring', which i've never done before or read up on yet. if what you said is still ok to do after what i just told you, then i am sorry to have bothered you again. if you say that is the way it is done, then i will go ahead and do it. again, i just wanted to make sure you understood that they had already been VOB files to start with after decrypting.

thanks

Your DVD+RW recorder creates VOB files, not DVD Decrypter. DVD Decrypter is extracting them from the DVD+RW to your hard drive.

VOB's are simply MPEG2 video files with a file extension specific to DVD's. In fact, you can rename VOB's with the .MPG extension after you extract them to your hard drive and they will play on your computer's media player just fine.

When you load VOB's into Womble, you are loading MPEG2 (.MPG) video. After you edit these MPEG2's in Womble the way you want, you then must save the edited MPEG2 to a new .MPG file. In order to burn the .MPG file to a DVD that will play in any standard DVD player (not just a computer media player), you have to "author" the .MPG to a DVD compliant file structure (.BUP, .IFO, .VOB). This file structure directs the DVD player to the MPEG2 video files (.VOB's) and may include extras like menus, subtitles, etc. Authoring to this type of file structure is required because DVD players can't play back .MPG files that are just burned to a disc.

Authoring does not re-encode or re-compress the .MPG files... there is no change or loss of quality. It arranges and renames the .MPG into a series of 1GB .VOB files, that's all.

I don't know of a program that can load VOB's, frame-accurately edit the MPEG2 video, then author a finished DVD (without re-encoding) all by itself. There might be one, I just am not aware of it.

[ZippyP.]

I don't know of a program that can load VOB's, frame-accurately edit the MPEG2 video, then author a finished DVD (without re-encoding) all by itself. There might be one, I just am not aware of it.

I heard Ulead Moviefactory, the latest version. I'm not 100% on that, but they do have a trial version.

[bbllc]

Use this very user friendly guide: http://www.dvdguideuk.dsl.pipex.com/dvdguide/editing1/editing1.htm

[gshelley61]

1) in tmpgenc when i edit a commercial, for instance, and then play it back, there is a very noticeable glitch/noise at each place i edited out a commerical and you can see part of the video of the beginning of the commercial i cut. i figure it is always going to be that way with tmpgenc, so i am going to edit in womble. if that is not a normal glitch in tmpgenc let me know.

2) last of all, it is a little irritating to have to use 3 different software programs to do those three things i want to do: 1) transfer from dvd to pc; then 2) edit; then 3) burn back to dvd. is there another software program besides tmpgenc that can do all three? if tmpgenc author's editing function wasn't glitchy, then it would be excellent for all that i want to do.

thanks

If you are speaking of TMPGEnc DVD Author, you can load the VOB's directly into the program (directly off of the disc, I think), do simple cuts and chapter selection, then create a menu (if you want one) and burn a finished DVD. The only two drawbacks about DVD Author are that you can't hear AC3 audio played back during the cutting and chapter selection process without purchasing their AC3 plug-in (however, the AC3 audio will remain intact for the final DVD and work just fine). Your DVD recorder uses AC3 for audio, so this might be somewhat inconvenient. Also, the cutting feature is not frame-accurate... you can only specify certain frames (I and P, think) for cutting and joining. This is usually OK for trimming out commercials, though.

So, TMPGEnc DVD Author is as close to a single program that can do what you want that I know of.

[umps]

1) in tmpgenc when i edit a commercial, for instance, and then play it back, there is a very noticeable glitch/noise at each place i edited out a commerical and you can see part of the video of the beginning of the commercial i cut. i figure it is always going to be that way with tmpgenc, so i am going to edit in womble. if that is not a normal glitch in tmpgenc let me know.

2) last of all, it is a little irritating to have to use 3 different software programs to do those three things i want to do: 1) transfer from dvd to pc; then 2) edit; then 3) burn back to dvd. is there another software program besides tmpgenc that can do all three? if tmpgenc author's editing function wasn't glitchy, then it would be excellent for all that i want to do.

thanks

If you are speaking of TMPGEnc DVD Author, you can load the VOB's directly into the program (directly off of the disc, I think), do simple cuts and chapter selection, then create a menu (if you want one) and burn a finished DVD. The only two drawbacks about DVD Author are that you can't hear AC3 audio played back during the cutting and chapter selection process without purchasing their AC3 plug-in (however, the AC3 audio will remain intact for the final DVD and work just fine). Your DVD recorder uses AC3 for audio, so this might be somewhat inconvenient. Also, the cutting feature is not frame-accurate... you can only specify certain frames (I and P, think) for cutting and joining. This is usually OK for trimming out commercials, though.

So, TMPGEnc DVD Author is as close to a single program that can do what you want that I know of.

i re-did it all again in tmpgenc (transfer from dvd to pc, edit, transfer back to dvd) and this time it worked fine. the audible glitches i mentioned were gone (on some cuts i could still see some of the 'still' video where i placed my insertion to cut) but it was good enough for me at this time for cutting commercials. if i was more picky like i used to be in the past, that would bother me, but at this time it is fine. it just goes to show that there are as many 'intermittent features' in tmpgenc as there are in windows xp, if you know what i mean. i did not come up with that 'intermittent features' for glitches in windows xp, but when i first read it i thought it was a perfect description. i have been using it ever since.

thanks so much for your input. it has been extremely helpful. i can now do my editing of commercials in one program to my satisfaction.

thanks again

[umps]

Use this very user friendly guide: http://www.dvdguideuk.dsl.pipex.com/dvdguide/editing1/editing1.htm

thanks. i wish i would have seen that before i started all of this. i would have saved me a lot of headache. that guide couldn't be more clear, could it? it's great. i'm sure a lot of people appreciate that.

[oldfart13]

Womble Mpeg Video Wizard will let you copy the VOBs in any order you wish and then edit the commercials frame accurate then save without re-encoding. What I want to know is there any way of having DVD Decryptor or other program save the VOBs as one big VOB so I can edit that instead of 1 Gig pieces that I then have to reassemble. This is one area where DVD-RAM shines as the VROs are one piece files. It's just so much easier to do editing that way...

[gshelley61]

Womble Mpeg Video Wizard will let you copy the VOBs in any order you wish and then edit the commercials frame accurate then save without re-encoding. What I want to know is there any way of having DVD Decryptor or other program save the VOBs as one big VOB so I can edit that instead of 1 Gig pieces that I then have to reassemble. This is one area where DVD-RAM shines as the VROs are one piece files. It's just so much easier to do editing that way...

You can use the freeware "Simple File Joiner" at:
http://www.peretek.com/sfj.php

I think SmartRipper will extract a single .VOB for you, too (I can't recall the settings used, but it is in the Stream Processing area).

[hech54]

I've still never heard from Womble. I downloaded the trial version last week and still no e-mail with the trial version key. **** Them....UNINSTALLED.

[gshelley61]

I've still never heard from Womble. I downloaded the trial version last week and still no e-mail with the trial version key. **** Them....UNINSTALLED.

That's odd... when I downloaded the trial versions of Womble MPEG-VCR and MPEG Video Wizard, I got the keys instantly (after filling out that form). Do you have some kind of blocking software that might be preventing them from getting an email to you? Maybe your ISP has a problem letting their emails through? It sounds like there might be something like that happening.

At work, we are experiencing problems with not receiving emails due to all the new security measures installed on the company's servers. I have clients who have a real hard time getting their messages through to me.

[umps]

I've still never heard from Womble. I downloaded the trial version last week and still no e-mail with the trial version key. **** Them....UNINSTALLED.

just send them an email and tell them what happened. they will then send you the key. that's what i did