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It is impossible to have a kid before that age (~38 ) here in Greece those days.
A kid cost you 3000 euros per month. My salary is 750 euros per month! My girlfriend's salary is 450 euros per month. And it is not a permanent job.
I know the benefits of having a children early on your life. But when you don't have to feed yourself, how it is possible to feed your children?
I just took a bank rent to buy a house (a small apartment). So, my schedjule is set for the next 5 - 8 years: I have to pay back the bank. No money and time for a child.
From the other hand, in a way I feel that I just started with my life. I just manage to became intepentent. I need some time with this...
Basicly, you have to realise the stracture we, the mediterenians, have at our families. In North Europe, it is "easy" when you became 21 or something close to rent a house and live with your girlfriend. In south Europe it is impossible before your 30s! I'm probably among the very few of my generation capable to do this today. I don't have help from parents or anyone. I stand myself.
Tuff days in a tuff world....
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The Old One
- Aug 2000
- Hellas (Greece), E.U.
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Maybe that's exactly what we need! (not the gay part)Originally Posted by Doramius
Not to start a rant, but if you look at over-population, poverty, welfare, etc. Maybe things would get better if people would wait until they could take care of themselves before bringing children into the mix.
I have a sister who's a perfect example. She has six kids, and a part time job. Lives in government assisted housing, and uses the older children as babysitters, maids, etc. At one point, when they were evicted for not paying their rent, they were all sleeping in a car. Social Services wouldn't let us take her children under our protection because "being poor or homeless is not a crime". Maybe not, but watching how those children had to live, it should be! [RANT mode off] Damn! I didn't want to do that.... -
That's the point you get your a** out of dodge and find a new place to live with a job that pays you enough to live off of and be able to raise a family. It's kindda bad when you earn less then what you need to live on. The goverment here has this beef about making sure everyone can survive even if they don't have the means (or seem to care to do anything about it). We call those people, LAZYa** welfare moochers. Not that all of them are lazy, but many of them say, "Hey, I can have 9 kid and can git 4 hund'd dolla' a monf per kid from da Gub-ment. I can live like a queen off'n stupid tax payers money without havin' to work 1 day." These are the people who live the regal life for the first 2 weeks of every month and end up starving at the end of the month, complaining they don't get enough money to sit on their a** every month.Originally Posted by SatStorm
Those who worked their whole life and then retire had best get something back from the government to relax their a** off for the last years of their lives after paying taxes for so long. There's a time to be lazy and mooching off of the government and the status is called being a 'senior citizen' and the term is 'retirement'.
There is a definite line between those who live off the government because they have too, though they try what they can to not live off the government, and those who just don't care to work and will do as little as possible but still expect to live any way they feel. Most all of those people who try to get out of welfare, do get out and move on to well paying jobs. Those who don't try usually end up with kids that do just like their parents and fall into the same rutt.
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The Old One
- Aug 2000
- Hellas (Greece), E.U.
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I think you don't understand something:
When you live in USA and E.U. you don't have somewhere to go. (Maybe Australia, but things are tuff there too from what I hear).
We are destinations for others, but we don't have a destination for ourselfs!
You see, you can be a Turk and go and work in Germany for 10 years at the factories. With the money you get there, you can't have a good life in Germany but you don't care about it: You simply collect money. Then, after 10 years of hard work, you return to Turkey and with the money you have collected in Germany, you are able to built a new and better life. This is a better alternative than try to make the same in Turkey.
Almost one and a half generation ago, here in Greece we were able to do this too. But not today...
Today, we have the same credit with the rest of E.U. We have the same prices with the rest E.U. We have the same needs with the rest E.U. citizents. But: We don't have their money, their salaries, etc. A generation or two must sacrificed to became like the average E.U citizen. And it happens to be my generation...
It has nothing to do with what it turned out there in USA. Your system is different than ours.
Also, the traditions and our coulture is different: I said it before: The children at the Mediterenian countries don't grow like the children at North Europe / USA.
An example to realise the difference: Twos generations ago, a Brother had first to find hansbands for his sisters and then think his future!
Today, that changed a bit: The parents must give to their children education of University level. Then, they have to Dowry the daughter and / find / settle a job to the son.
I know for certain that you there in USA you don't even bother with those stuff. But this is our way here, and this is how we set our lifes.
Even if not the perfect example, you all saw the movie "my big fat greek wedding". This is about how a father acts here. When he bring a child in life, he sucrifice anything for his family. He just prepares the future for his child.
I'm not ready for this yet. I mean, I wish to leave few years of true life before enslaved on this. Because it is slavery what we are talking about. And you don't get for return nothing: You just know that your children gonna follow your steps with their children.
Another thing to realise, is that here, we don't have a goverment system like you. Our system is not protective like yours. Our system is like the "sea rule": The big fish eat the small one. So we all learn from very early age to be like fishes. At the same time, our parents try to make us big fishers for real.
We pay back them, by following the same steps with our children.
I said it once, I said it again: Totally diffent coulture. Totally different approach of life. Totally different goals.
That's why we have so many misunderstandings in this world. But thanks to the internet, for the very first time, we are able to share our views. To see the other side of the mountain. And maybe, 2 - 3 generations from now, to finally understand the things we don't care to know about! -
Don't get me wrong. I understand it must be really hard there and i know the cultures are like comparing black against white, as they are completely different. Believe it or not, there are many people from Greece, Turkey, and even Hungary that still live the same way they did back in their native land. They even sacrifice everything they can to help the next generation. These are the type of immigrants that built America, and without them we'd be dirt compared to even a 3rd world country. However, we do have those that were born in the US that I think should be deported somewhere else because they don't help anyone but themselves and don't care who they pull down trying to get themselves up.
Now I'm not telling you you should come to the US or go to some other country. Obviously, you're working as hard as possible to live within whatever ability and means you can get. My statement was just a comical metaphore of my own thoughts regarding the US society alone, but I think interpretation to another language might cause a little confusion on the opinion side.
Traditions are where laws and governing rules come from. Being morally good just makes sense and makes others happy, so why not make laws to follow this feeling. Such thoughts become considered sophistication that then becomes standard. Those standards are eventually brought out to become rule or law over those it embodies. After years of recurrence of these laws, it is understood they are tradition and tradition is hard to break. It often takes a few generations to do this.
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Originally Posted by Doramius
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The Old One
- Aug 2000
- Hellas (Greece), E.U.
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Would you have preferred Tyra Banks to Janet Reno?Originally Posted by flaninacupboardOriginally Posted by Doramius
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Member
- Mar 2003
- Chit, IDK I'm following you
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WTFOriginally Posted by DoramiusWould you have preferred Tyra Banks to Janet Reno?Originally Posted by flaninacupboardOriginally Posted by Doramius
I don't get it.
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Master of Time & Space
- Feb 2004
- Denver, CO United States
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There's a no-brainerOriginally Posted by Doramius
I would have preferred Walter Cronkite to Janet Reno 
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Take away the smurk.... Oh my God ... Yes...Originally Posted by flaninacupboardI'm thinking add a red beret................Originally Posted by tekkiemanOk, not that the real one is any better....Originally Posted by CapmasterNice pic Tekkieman
(The family, not the one of you )
oh shit!!
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Ok, that one was almost 9 months ago. The head is now shaved, and a Van Dyke grown in. Funny thing happened since then, the black vans have disappeared from across the street, and I no longer hear helicopters in the middle of the night.Originally Posted by DVD_RipperTake away the smurk.... Oh my God ... Yes...Originally Posted by flaninacupboardI'm thinking add a red beret................Originally Posted by tekkiemanOk, not that the real one is any better....Originally Posted by CapmasterNice pic Tekkieman (The family, not the one of you )
edit...image removed....
oh shit!!
On the bright side, I made many a dinar....oops
..I mean dollar with some part time work as a body double!
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