Anyone here adopted Dual Layer burning yet?

[louv68]

Has anyone here successfully burned and played back dual layer discs on their stand-alone player(s)?

[Michelle]

You might find this interesting:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1093&ncid=1093&e=5&u=/pcworld/20040603...pcworld/116265

[nufan292]

Here is another:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=97026

[lordsmurf]

With what discs?
If they had a DVD-R DL out, I'd buy it for $200.
I saw the SONY drive today. I'm not buying that piece.

[nufan292]

If you are talking about the link I provided, I believe the original poster used the Verbatim dvd+r dl disc in some overpriced sampler they have at some stores. And he burned it with a hacked firmware nec nd2500a. By no means am I suggesting someone go buy a 2500, or to use modded firmware, that's one's own choice. For native support of DVD+r DL recording there is still always the newly released nec nd2510 which costs like $93, a big jump down from the sony price.

[tommyoz]

I just successfully recorded my first Dual Layer DVD+R. I used the lite on SOHW-812s with the SOHW-832s hacked firmware. I also picked up the Verbatim double layer solution kit from best buy which included 8 dvd+r's, 1 dvd+rw and 1 dvd+R DL. The cost for me was a gift as I used a gift card. The cost was $30.00.

First I ripped a DVD (Grease) with DVD Decrypter (7.02gb). I then used CopytoDVD to record the DVD onto the dual layer. it took about 45 min and the average speed was about 2.28. I did not make any changes in the settings as I didn't know much about this program or dual layer recording.

However, I haven't ripped in quite a long time cause I was waiting for this dual layer to come out. I don't think I had the proper settings so it might not have ripped properly cause here's what happened next.

I tried to play it back on the following DVD Players.

Standalone DVD Players
1.Cyberhome CH DVD500 - it did play but none of the other controls were working. I had to open the tray to get it to stop.
2.Daewoo DVG300N - it did play and advance through the chapters but would not go to the root menu. So I wasn't able to select any scenes or access any of the extras. This same thing happened to my Philips DVP642 Divx player.
3.Panasonic DMR-E60 - as expected it did not support it.
4.Neuston Maestro Divx Player - did not support it either.
5.Apex 5131 - I did not have it hooked up but I'll try it tomorrow.

Computer DVD roms
The lite on mentioned above - it played but no access to main menu.
Lg SDM1712 - it played but no access to main menu.

Bottom line is, I could not access the main menu even when the DVD started it went straight to the movie. But like I said it could have been the way I ripped it cause the ripped files would play the same way. I guess that's all the testing I'm gonna do for now cause I don't think I can handle another 9 Verbatim's DVD+R's sitting around here so I think.

[KTH]

tommyoz have you tried a kprobe test on the DL disc? If not can you run one & post the results. I myself have a LiteOn SOHW-812s that I also flashed with the 832s hacked firmware, but where I live no one has DVD+R DL disc's yet. It would be nice to have some advance info. Thanks!

[lordsmurf]

Gut instinct tells me DVD+R DL will have a very low compatibility. Varying factors and instinct are why.

We'll see.

I'm holding out for DL DVD-R ... hoping I'll have it for some large projects I want to burn later this year.

[nufan292]

Just had a quick thought about layer breaks. In the original there is supposed to be a layer break authored in there right. At least all the transcoding programs seem to remove something of that nature. I wonder how that affects DVD+r DL video, because it is my guess the break may not be at the same point and such. But whatever, just my crackheaded ramblings.

[stackner]

yeah i would love a dual layer burner too but my concern is media price. i saw sony dvd+r dl for $15 a peice!!!!!!!!!!!!!! might aswell just buy the retail dvd

[tim6661234]

I've just bought a LiteOn SOHW-832s but it doesn't come with any DL media but I believe it will be out by the end of the month. As for price I think it will come down in price quickly. Blankdiscshop.co.uk estimate it to be about £1.50 to £2 according to a posting I found from some one who mailed them so thats not bad for a start.

[stackner]

that is not bad. unfortunatly i live in australia. but hopefully media wont be too expensive here either. maybe i will wait to upgrade to a dual layer for a month or two and see what happens. i would also like to see pioneere bring out a dual latyr burner as i am happy with my pioneer 1.06 drive.

deffinetly upgrade and give my current drive to my brother just don't want to be spending $15 or so on media per disc. kinda defeats the point as far as dvd ripping goes.

[tim6661234]

I agree. I just upgraded from a Pioneer 104. Had 3 years service out of it and its still going so I've sold it to a friend. If I didn't need a new writer I'd have waited for the Pioneer.

[lordsmurf]

yeah i would love a dual layer burner too but my concern is media price. i saw sony dvd+r dl for $15 a peice!!!!!!!!!!!!!! might aswell just buy the retail dvd

Not everybody copies other people's work. Some of us make original content. Still expensive ... but having 8.5GB for a project sounds nice to my ears.

[disturbed1]

By July/Aug, once someone besides CMC I mean Verbatim ships the +DL media, it will be $5.50-$5.00(USD). Which is a street price quoted some months back.

Right now, only CMC and Ritek are making the +DL discs. I don't believe Ritek has started shipping yet though. Infodisc is gearing up and running production now, but it's in its early stages.

Considering +DL has a lower reflectivity than +RW, the playback ratio will be hit or miss. There is also no bit/book type setting for the current drives, so compatibility will be even lower. But most newer stand alones shouldn't have many problems.

Lordsmurf and I will be happy sometime in Novemeber or December, when Pioneer comes out with -Dual Layer drives, instead of these +Double Layer drives.

[tompika]

There is also no bit/book type setting for the current drives

Are you sure about that?

[disturbed1]

There is also no bit/book type setting for the current drives

Are you sure about that?

Not for the current shipping +DL media burning drives. +DL media carries it's own book type, +DL instead of +R. Of course you can hack your firmware, but doing so does have side effects, such as the case with the NEC, you lose quality when writing to RW media, and some -R media suffers in quality from using different write codes to achieve faster burn speeds.

Once HP releases their +DL drive, I can assume it will write ROM as the default book type to +DL media. (Funny how these are rebadged NEC drives, yet write better than the NEC itself).

You (tompika) would know this, what other drives can be hacked to bit set +DL media.

[handyguy]

" it will be $5.50-$5.00(USD). Which is a street price quoted some months back."

It won't be that cheap, Verbatim just said around may 6th they were going to sell it in July. Probably be near what Sonys are, $14, but might play on my dvd players.

[tommyoz]

Well since I still had $20 left over from my gift card, I went ahead and added the $10 myself and bought another Verbatim pack. Since I screwed up the other disc.

It turned out that I did not rip the disc properly. I had changed the file splitting setting when I was ripping standalone dvd recorder DVD's quite a while ago. I should have checked for proper play of the files. I guess I was too excited.

Let's try this again shall we,

Standalone DVD Players
1.Cyberhome CH DVD500 - Played with no problems
2.Daewoo DVG300N - Played with no problems
3.Philips DVP642 Divx - played with no problems
4.Panasonic DMR-E60 - Played with no problems
5.Neuston Maestro Divx - Played with no problems
6.Apex AD-5131 - Played with no problems

Computer DVD roms
1.The lite on mentioned above - Played with no problems
2.LG SDM1712 - Played with no problems

So far so good we're batting a thousand. Now I did not watch the entire movie to see if anything happens in between and I forgot to mention that I was backing up one of my own DVD's.

KTH, This one's for you.

[tompika]

Compatibility looks OK, booktype set to DVD-ROM

Thanks tommyoz

[KTH]

Thanks tommyoz. Now I'm a little more confident and just have to wait for some DVD+R DL media. By the way I did a check on the hacked 832s firmware using the Liteon speed hacking utility and didn't see the media ID for the disc you have. Considering the ID is not even listed in the drives firmware is a very good indication that the drive DL writing capability must be pretty good. By the way have you noticed a problem with the drive not recognizing regular media after loading a blank DVD+R DL? The following is a direct quote from a post made by Nic Wilson the Author of DVDinfo Pro on the CDFreaks.com forum.


812@832 works fine on normal media, until I put a +R DL in the drive. It detects it and responds with correct info, but once I remove it, and load a normal -R or +R disc the drive intermittently stops detecting blank discs, until a power cycle. No faults such as this occurs on its 812s firmware, and likewise it does not occur on the real 832s

I am trying to determine what is causing this, as it only seems to occur on a 812@832 and then only after loading a +R DL.

[spiderman2k1]

I'm going to wait until there a DVD burner that burner's DVD-R DL and DVD+R DL. Pioneer is right around the corner with DVD-R DL

[zoneless]

hey tommyoz, which software did you try to rip and write? Could you share the info please?

[tommyoz]

By the way have you noticed a problem with the drive not recognizing regular media after loading a blank DVD+R DL?.

Right after I burned that DVD+R DL, I burned 2 DVD+R's with no problem.
This isn't to say it won't happen. I'll have to keep a look out.

which software did you try to rip and write? Could you share the info please?

First I ripped a DVD (Grease) with DVD Decrypter (7.02gb). I then used CopytoDVD to record the DVD onto the dual layer. it took about 45 min and the average speed was about 2.28. I did not make any changes in the settings as I didn't know much about this program or dual layer recording

[choirislife923]

bah...dual layer. totally useless for the -R kids like me. while DVD+R DL is nice, compatibility is lower, and running a videography business, i cannot afford any losses. until DVD-R DL comes out, i will stick with 4.7GB DVD5.

[handyguy]

someone saw some Dl media in the store, a two pack is $30.00

[Madz]

I'm confused: Does the Liteon 832 bitset or not (at least w/o a hacked FW)? It looks to me like tommyoz's burn was set to dvd-rom. When that disk was burned did it just use the layer break from the original? I'd be hoping that DVDDecrypter will just let me rip & backup to DL (as their website states that it's DL ready) as easy as a SL can be done, now. Also, any possibility that the current +DL drives might be firmware upgradeable in the not-so-distant future for -DL as well? As it would be seem to me that if the laser can refocus for +, wouldn't it work for - as well?

[tommyoz]

someone saw some Dl media in the store, a two pack is $30.00

When they do become available they will be $30 for a 5 pack @ Americal.

http://www.americal.com/pd/94912.html

[tommyoz]

I'm confused: Does the Liteon 832 bitset or not (at least w/o a hacked FW)? It looks to me like tommyoz's burn was set to dvd-rom. When that disk was burned did it just use the layer break from the original? I'd be hoping that DVDDecrypter will just let me rip & backup to DL (as their website states that it's DL ready) as easy as a SL can be done, now. Also, any possibility that the current +DL drives might be firmware upgradeable in the not-so-distant future for -DL as well? As it would be seem to me that if the laser can refocus for +, wouldn't it work for - as well?

Madz, Here is what DVD Decrypter says about the DL disc.

LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-832S VS01
Current Profile: DVD+R Double Layer

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 4,173,824
Free Space: 8,547,991,552 bytes
Free Time: 927:32:74 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x

Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: MKM-001-00
Book Type: Reserved (0x0E)
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
Last Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: MKM-001-00
Book Type: Reserved (0x0E)
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
Last Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519

Also here is disc info from kprobe from a blank DL media.

[KTH]

Americal.com just updated their pricing. Now it's $14.95/ea and $69.75/5pack. I hope the prices don't go up again.