KSCVD?

[BJ_M]

procoder version 2

sample 1 2 pass VBR
sample 2 1 pass CQ @ 78

[andybno1]

explains it all then cant take time to read posts properly why bother givin kvcd/dvd/svcd a go I've done many kvcd/dvds only times I had probs where when I first started doin them as I never really understood the concept but time an patience soon got the hang of it.

[flaninacupboard]

i'll say again;
there's a third group of people, those who didn't buy their DVD players in a supermarket.

Just click on the link I posted up there. look at the difference between that kdvd effort and the original DVD. now believe it or not, you can see the difference on your TV screen.....
Well, that's assuming you have a widescreen set and your player isn't hooked up through composite cables. or RF.


Are you using a full frame TV hooked up through composite video? what dvd player do you use?

[lordsmurf]

explains it all then cant take time to read posts properly why bother givin kvcd/dvd/svcd a go I've done many kvcd/dvds only times I had probs where when I first started doin them as I never really understood the concept but time an patience soon got the hang of it.

Nope sorry, can't read that either. Just one big sentence, only half of them are real words.

procoder version 2

sample 1 2 pass VBR
sample 2 1 pass CQ @ 78

HAHA! Procoder ... I thought so! :P But I'd have guessed Mastering mode. Is the 2.0 engine really that much better than my 1.5 engine?

[BJ_M]

the source is interlaced and i encoded it interlaced ..........
can someone guess the the encoder ?

Umm... those look like they are deinterlaced with drop-field.

Anyway ... two guesses: MC 1.4 or Procoder 1.5

no drop field/frame .... source was a DV 29.97 interlaced ... but when making the original dvd i did some trickery ...

yes -mastering mode and as described above ...

2 IS much better engine ... but procoder express should be close to the same ... i dont think as many encoding options though ..

[andybno1]

i'll say again;
there's a third group of people, those who didn't buy their DVD players in a supermarket.

Just click on the link I posted up there. look at the difference between that kdvd effort and the original DVD. now believe it or not, you can see the difference on your TV screen.....
Well, that's assuming you have a widescreen set and your player isn't hooked up through composite cables. or RF.


Are you using a full frame TV hooked up through composite video? what dvd player do you use?

Alba DVD114 via Scart Lead on 21" TV

HAHA! Procoder ... I thought so! But I'd have guessed Mastering mode. Is the 2.0 engine really that much better than my 1.5 engine?

and you say I post jibberish

[flaninacupboard]

ok, at the moment you have a low quality setup. when you buy yourself a decent setup you will see how poor the kdvds are. you can deny it all you like, but it'll happen.

[andybno1]

why go out my way to make it look bad??

[SatStorm]

We are wasting our time here....

Once again: I suggest to all those interest about kvcd / kdvd / etc, the amazing excellent portal kvcd.org
There is a friendly active community there, ready to help you with this.

Have fun!

[flaninacupboard]

To make what look bad? your kdvds? well if you buy a decent quality TV and DVD player you'll find DVD's are more enjoyable. so when you eventually buy a good setup you'll regret wasting time and money on discs that not only look bad compared to your original dvds, they may not even play. seems like twisted logic and false economy to me.

Just a single issue, do you make your kdvds anamorphic? no. do you know what that will look like when you watch it on a widescreen TV? horrible. ah, you say, but you don't have a wide TV. full screen sets are not long for this world, when your 21" TV dies you'll probably have to replace it with a 24" widescreen.

but hey, that's up to you.

[lordsmurf]

We are wasting our time here....

Truer words were never spoken

[Oscar wallace]

Don't know what Kwag did to upset you guys but he left you all very bitter......Did not know that a Panasonic/Pioneer/Toshiba/Sony ..ect bought from a super market gave out a worst picture then the same model bought at a one man shop outlet.....shit I thought it was only a price difference silly me.

[flaninacupboard]

oscar, you missed the point. supermarkets tend to seel the cheapest model they can find. as i'm sure you're aware just because it's cheap does not make it good value for money. in this instance my instincts were 100% correct, the person claiming kdvd's are "SWEET quality" has a shit DVD player.

He hasn't done anything to upset me personally, i just dislike people advocating an inferior way of compressing video, which not only looks bad it's non compliant with current formats. great.

Supermarkets in this country don't tend to sell quality brands, they sell Alba, Bush and Mustek. they'll probably start selling Apex soon as well.

[mikesbytes]

Kwang's templates are one mans solution to the balance between quality, size and compatibility. If your needs match this blanace, then you will be happy with Kwang's solutions.

Personally, I think the most significant issue is content.

[rds_correia]

To those who asked about set ups, I own a Samsung 32" flat & square widescreen TVset and 2 SAP one unbranded, the other one Mustek.
Since some time ago I had some doubts about it I took some KDVDs at my cousin's.
He owns a big SONY LCD widescreen TVset and a Philips DVD SAP.
All my anamorphic KDVDs looked as good as my original DVDs.
Even the non anamorphic ones were amazing.
IMHO everybody should stop and listen to SatStorm.
I will raise posts about -x- / K / M anywhere I feel like doing so.
And I do expect being treated here with respect if I do so.
Otherwise something is really wrong here.
And that is a matter for SatStorm or any other Mod to solve.
I also expect that instead of hearing words like "crap" or "whacky" I can start hearing "we are not experts on that matter, though you can try www.kvcd.net".
That's the least I should expect from here or anywhere else, Mr. Smurf.
Otherwise I will feel like some here want to start a flaming war.
That was never my point when I posted here, but you can try me.
C ya

[FulciLives]

Someone is acting like a lil baby girl :P

You got your own website and forum ... use it!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[LanEvo7]

Spend $70 on a divx player and go MPEG4 if you want the best quality/compression ratio.

[lordsmurf]

That's the least I should expect from here or anywhere else, Mr. Smurf.

What you seemingly expect from me is some sort of never-gonna-happen agreement that K-anything is good.

It's a waste of code. Doesn't support anything most people need, mainly compliancy and interlace. I'd never suggest anybody use it, nor would I ever send somebody to that site when I know there are better methods. That's not how I work.

If you want to talk to bobble-head yes-men, go to the nesting ground of the "format", www.kvcd.net and chat with other fans.

[pacheco]

Someone is acting like a lil baby girl :P

Yes, I can see that Baldrick hosts a BIG crib on this site!

Hey by the way, whoever said that KVCD was "whacky", because it uses a custom matrix, you're in for a big surprise.

Panasonic DVD recorders are using a custom matrix, which is not the standard MPEG-LA defined matrix.
I just learned that today

And the patern is really whacky LOL
:P

The funny thing is that the previous older models had standard matrixes. But the newer models HS-Something, have a custom matrix.

If you don't believe me, stick a .VRO file from a new panasonic recorder into restream, and you're in for a big surprise.

And then, Mister Smurf will be happy, because that matrix was done by panasonic, and not by "some guy" named kwag, right?
Or, did kwag actually did have something to do with it

@LanEvo7,

Spend $70 on a divx player and go MPEG4 if you want the best quality/compression ratio.

To watch it where? On your PC?

Ta'ta!

[lordsmurf]

If this is true, it gives a good explanation to a lot of pissed-off people that have VRO Panasonic discs that don't work very good in a PC or anything else for that matter.

I know Spidey2k1 has been pissed about this a lot. Several others too.

Only thing that proves is Panasonic is making a really crappy machine. Among other reasons.

[pacheco]

It's a waste of code. Doesn't support anything most people need, mainly compliancy and interlace.

I can see your ignorance now.
1- Compiancy? Read my previous post. That would mean all panasonic DVD's created are non-compliant.
2- Who the hell said KDVDs don't support interlaced video?
MPEG-2 is either progressive or interlaced, so are KDVD'z!
Or, Im I wrong, that a matrix can't support interlacing?

Did you really did all those guides you have posted on your site, or did someone did them for you?
Because your guides are pretty interesting, but I can't see how someone with your (poor) knowledge could write guides like that!
Sorry, I just had to spit that out out of my "smurf"

[lordsmurf]

1- Compiancy? Read my previous post. That would mean all panasonic DVD's created are non-compliant.
2- Who the hell said KDVDs don't support interlaced video?
MPEG-2 is either progressive or interlaced, so are KDVD'z!

1. This would therefore be just another reason Panasonic has so many issues. This actually would pretty conveniently explain away a lot of problems with the machine, ranging from disc problems to encoder noise. I've passed this along to people that care, so I'm sure I'll hear back on it while they verify.

2. No. Read the specs of K-things. NO INTERLACE! How can you sit here and praise K-stuff and not even know the file specs?

I think we're through here. You just like to argue.
Item #2 just proved that. Have fun. Thread's all yours.

KDVDz (gotta be "kewl" with the z's now) is great! Whoopie, whoopie! Happy?

[kosekjm]

I'm just too much of an ass to resist, so here goes:

To those who asked about set ups, I own a Samsung 32" flat & square widescreen TVset and 2 SAP one unbranded, the other one Mustek.

Where can I buy a square widescreen TV? All the ones I see here are rectangular.

Oh, I hate myself already.

kosekjm

[pacheco]

2. No. Read the specs of K-things. NO INTERLACE! How can you sit here and praise K-stuff and not even know the file specs?

Would you be so kind, and point me to those filez specz, where it says that KDVDz are NO INTERLACE!, pleeze?
Because I'm having a hell of a time (funny as hell) believing that an MPEG-2 can't be interlaced.
If an MPEG-2 can't be interlaced, I must go back to school!
Or, maybe you have an interpretation problem?
Oh, by the way, the panasonic problems are related to DVD media. Not to the machine. So your argument is, again, irrelevant.

@All, is there some kind of pot or acid floating around in this site?
Are you sure you are ok smurf?
Or are you like this when you post: LOL

[pacheco]

I'm just too much of an ass to resist, so here goes:

To those who asked about set ups, I own a Samsung 32" flat & square widescreen TVset and 2 SAP one unbranded, the other one Mustek.

Where can I buy a square widescreen TV? All the ones I see here are rectangular.

Oh, I hate myself already.

kosekjm

It should read: a SamsSung 32" flat AND A square widescreen TV set.

But I see you, and others, like to make fun of syntax errors, because of not English native speaking folks.
rds_correia is from Portugal. And I'm pretty sure his English is far better than your Portuguese 8)

Yes, I think you should really hate yourself!

[FulciLives]

It should read: a SamsSung 32" flat AND A square widescreen TV set.

Still makes no sense :P

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[SatStorm]

Don't make me lock it, please....

[flaninacupboard]

no, don't lock it sat! it's just getting interesting!

To those who asked about set ups, I own a Samsung 32" flat & square widescreen TVset and 2 SAP one unbranded, the other one Mustek.
Since some time ago I had some doubts about it I took some KDVDs at my cousin's.
He owns a big SONY LCD widescreen TVset and a Philips DVD SAP.
All my anamorphic KDVDs looked as good as my original DVDs.
Even the non anamorphic ones were amazing.

Did you ever look at the pics in the link i posted? if you did you would see your k template files look rubbish compared to the orighinal disc. if you can't see that on your TV then your TV is either not set up correctly or not able to show the full quality of a DVD.

If it get some time i'll make up some screenshots of non-k templates.

[kosekjm]

But I see you, and others, like to make fun of syntax errors, because of not English native speaking folks.
rds_correia is from Portugal. And I'm pretty sure his English is far better than your Portuguese 8)

Like, I said, I'm just an ass. I would have made the same comment if he was an English major from Pittsburgh for what its worth. (And I'm sure that on some days his English is still probably better than mine)

Kosekjm

[Fluffbutt]

How many posters actually know what kvcd/ksvcd/kdvd is for craps sake!?

1) Kvcd is not about long gops, in fact it proposes short (and in the case of anime, very short) gops. The standard is 15, with 12 for anime.

2) It's not about low bitrates, it's about variable bitrates (even in vcd!!).

So instead of the 1150 vcd standard, you use 400 to 1800 (vcd). Or 1000 - 8000 for kdvd.

Problems have arisen, but they've been proved to be encoder related (Tmpg is on it's way out... quality is poorer than mencoder on dvd rates).

K video is about the encoding matrix, and telling the encoder how to relate to various occurences within scenes (light/dark, movement/still, etc).

I've tried kvcd - I get 115 minutes onto an 800M cdr (with 112 or 128 kbps sound). Quality is EASILY as good as a good SVCD, possibly better.

Haven't tried kdvd yet, and ksvcd is brilliant, but I want single cdr solutions (i'm not successful with 1 cdr svcd's)