Taser used on 9 year old girl

[flaninacupboard]

for protection in my car i have..............

a thick map book.

[teegee420]

for protection in my car i have..............

a thick map book.

For fighting off crooks with no sense of direction? :P

[flaninacupboard]

hey, it's either that or drop my pants, bend over, and let them **** me in the ass. if i did anything else i'd probably get imprisoned like tony martin

[Capmaster]

Here in New Mexico your car is considered an extension of your home. Therefore it's legal to keep a gun, loaded and concealed, anywhere in your car, or on your person while in the car. We don't have many car-jackings here

My problem (not really) is that I work on an Air Force base and firearms are forbidden, so I leave mine at home. I'm not sure I would keep one in the car anyway ...too easy for it to get stolen, and then used for a crime ...with it being registered to me ...

We have a new law here that allows concealed carry, with the right permit, provided you have no police record. I don't plan on ever getting the permit, but I have a few friends at work who are waiting for their permits.

When they started allowing concealed carry in Florida, the violent crime rate dropped 40% the first year. That's not a news tidbit you're liable to ever see on the liberal news networks. OOPS! No politics. I'm through.

[Guest]

[quote="Capmaster"]Here in New Mexico your car is considered an extension of your home. Therefore it's legal to keep a gun, loaded and concealed, anywhere in your car, or on your person while in the car. We don't have many car-jackings here

My problem (not really) is that I work on an Air Force base and firearms are forbidden, so I leave mine at home. I'm not sure I would keep one in the car anyway ...too easy for it to get stolen, and then used for a crime ...with it being registered to me ...

We have a new law here that allows concealed carry, with the right permit, provided you have no police record. I don't plan on ever getting the permit, but I have a few friends at work who are waiting for their permits.

When they started allowing concealed carry in Florida, the violent crime rate dropped 40% the first year. That's not a news tidbit you're liable to ever see on the liberal news networks. OOPS! No politics. I'm through.[/quote]

I was in Fla when that law went into effect. Crime in Miami dropped 35% in the first 6 months. Imagine that, law abiding citizens able to fight back. Puts a new twist on things ,dont it?

[Capmaster]

Here in New Mexico your car is considered an extension of your home. Therefore it's legal to keep a gun, loaded and concealed, anywhere in your car, or on your person while in the car. We don't have many car-jackings here

My problem (not really) is that I work on an Air Force base and firearms are forbidden, so I leave mine at home. I'm not sure I would keep one in the car anyway ...too easy for it to get stolen, and then used for a crime ...with it being registered to me ...

We have a new law here that allows concealed carry, with the right permit, provided you have no police record. I don't plan on ever getting the permit, but I have a few friends at work who are waiting for their permits.

When they started allowing concealed carry in Florida, the violent crime rate dropped 40% the first year. That's not a news tidbit you're liable to ever see on the liberal news networks. OOPS! No politics. I'm through.[/

I was in Fla when that law went into effect. Crime in Miami dropped 35% in the first 6 months. Imagine that, law abiding citizens able to fight back. Puts a new twist on things ,dont it?

Yes. A foreign concept in some of our communist states ...like New York and Massachusetts, but fighting back is a time-honored way to stop a particular type of behavior

[indolikaa]

Praise the Lord, and Pass the Ammunition!

[Doramius]

I'm not a big handgun fan. I think anything you can kill with a handgun can be done with a rifle or shotgun. I'm sure if you have a concealed carry for a sawed-off shotgun, crime rate would drop further. I'm pro permit for firearms. I'm pro concealed carry. I'm pro right to bear arms. But I'm con towards handguns. I honestly think a 12 gauge is scarier than a 9MM. If anyone disagrees, let's shoot each other's foot and see who can still recover and walk. I get first shot!

[Solarjetman]

I have a feeling there's more to this story than the reporter got.

I 100% agree. There was a reason the officer tasered this girl. To say the cop was wrong to do this before knowing his reason is both foolish and prejudiced. Even handcuffed a person can be unruly and still cause injury and damage. Plus, the officer need to assert control over the situation so things do not get out of hand.

[Doramius]

it may have been cruel, but if she got out of hand for me and I warned her numerous times, I'd zap her a**. Why not? It won't kill you. Heck, I got thrown 10 feet by accidentally catching contacts of a flyback transformer on a TV. I'm alive with no injury, but I got the point to watch what I was doing.

[teegee420]

iI got thrown 10 feet by accidentally catching contacts of a flyback transformer on a TV. I'm alive with no injury,....

Not physically, anway. :P

[Tommyknocker]

I have a feeling there's more to this story than the reporter got.

I 100% agree. There was a reason the officer tasered this girl.

That has got to be the biggest lie I've read this week. There is no reason to shoot an unarmed little girl. The fact the weapon isn't lethal is not a viable argument. Tasering children? What's next? Killing them in the womb? Oh yeah, we've sank to that level already.

[flaninacupboard]

someone's on his high horse

How the **** do you know AT ALL that he did the wrong thing? he's not allowed to physically restrain her because that's assault. it's a kid with some kind of developmental problem, saying "please come along peacefully" isn't going to ******* work. if the girl is kicking him and trying to bite his nuts off there's your reason to taser her.

[Capmaster]

Maybe it wouldn't be so controversial if we could all see what transpired leading up to the tasering. Like the Rodney King case, the tidbit of heavily edited video footage that got worldwide play on TV was only a carefully selected piece at the end. There was much more going on that wasn't as widely reported. Once I saw that particular footage, I wondered why they were so tolerant up to that point.

The little bit of information we have here has been edited. I'd like to see the whole story.

My first reaction, as you can see in my earlier post, was outrage, but then I got to thinking "why would they do this and risk public outrage unless there was no other option available?"

[flaninacupboard]

what if the kid went berserk and was attacking other handicapped students, the officer can't stand by and just let her get on with it. or is that better tommyknocker, the girl can injure and maim as many innocent children as she wants, but that police officer best not lay a finger on her!!

[Capmaster]

what if the kid went berserk and was attacking other handicapped students, the officer can't stand by and just let her get on with it. or is that better tommyknocker, the girl can injure and maim as many innocent children as she wants, but that police officer best not lay a finger on her!!

We just don't know. I've seen a child go berserk and turn into a tasmanian devil. We need the whole story.

[flaninacupboard]

oh i agree, it should be looked into, but i think it's wrong to instantly brand the officer as some kind of monster.

[Capmaster]

Agreed. Isn't it criminal how the media edits things to put just the desired spin on it?

[Tommyknocker]

Trust me, I raised two daughters, and NEVER needed a taser. I have nothing on the average cop as far physical prowess, but not matter how belligerant my girls became at the age of nine or older, they never reached the point where I needed a taser. Stop trying to rationalize shooting kids. They're too precious!

[Capmaster]

Trust me, I raised two daughters, and NEVER needed a taser. I have nothing on the average cop as far physical prowess, but not matter how belligerant my girls became at the age of nine or older, they never reached the point where I needed a taser. Stop trying to rationalize shooting kids. They're too precious!

This child might have been on PCP - certainly a situation the typical parent would never encounter ...at least I hope not

[Tommyknocker]

Trust me, I raised two daughters, and NEVER needed a taser. I have nothing on the average cop as far physical prowess, but not matter how belligerant my girls became at the age of nine or older, they never reached the point where I needed a taser. Stop trying to rationalize shooting kids. They're too precious!

This child might have been on PCP - certainly a situation the typical parent would never encounter ...at least I hope not

A nine year old whacked out in PCP. Maybe she also had a loaded AK-47 cocked and pointed at the arresting officer. He only had time to use his gut instincts because he had only a fraction of a second to react. This topic is going really "off". I'm out of here. Sorry I chimed in.

[Capmaster]

Trust me, I raised two daughters, and NEVER needed a taser. I have nothing on the average cop as far physical prowess, but not matter how belligerant my girls became at the age of nine or older, they never reached the point where I needed a taser. Stop trying to rationalize shooting kids. They're too precious!

This child might have been on PCP - certainly a situation the typical parent would never encounter ...at least I hope not

A nine year old whacked out in PCP. Maybe she also had a loaded AK-47 cocked and pointed at the arresting officer. He only had time to use his gut instincts because he had only a fraction of a second to react. This topic is going really "off". I'm out of here. Sorry I chimed in.

Sorry that not everybody agrees with you. That happens here

All I'm saying is we don't know the whole story, and there are scenarios when a taser could be appropriate to subdue someone who is out of their mind with rage. That's all. I love kids too, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

[northcat_8]

Trust me, I raised two daughters, and NEVER needed a taser. I have nothing on the average cop as far physical prowess, but not matter how belligerant my girls became at the age of nine or older, they never reached the point where I needed a taser. Stop trying to rationalize shooting kids. They're too precious!

This child might have been on PCP - certainly a situation the typical parent would never encounter ...at least I hope not

A nine year old whacked out in PCP. Maybe she also had a loaded AK-47 cocked and pointed at the arresting officer. He only had time to use his gut instincts because he had only a fraction of a second to react. This topic is going really "off". I'm out of here. Sorry I chimed in.

You evidently did a good job raising your kids. You better stay on Cape Hope, not all kids are like that. Where I work we are not allowed to wear neck ties...because if a kid goes off he could strangle you by it

I'm not saying what they did was right or wrong, but evidently from the story, the one cop radioed for another cop to bring the taser...so something crazy was going on...it wasn't something that happened in the heat of the moment, it was something that this 26 year vetran thought might be needed. And like I said before, you never know, maybe the girl was going to hurt herself or something and decompasitating her was the quickest way to actually help her.

I haven't seen this story storming the National Headlines, so whatever the rest of the story is there must be quite a few people who agreed with the officer.

[ZAPPER]

Would have, could have, should have! Hard to say. Non-lethal fast and effective! What we have here is really a medical situation. A big butterfly net and straight jacket would have been better. However the cop had to use the resources available to him in the given situation. I can be too open minded to pick sides sometimes but so full of myself that I do like to offer opinions. Yes it is sad that the child had to feel pain for a moment and it is also sad that this child has this medical condition. A full grown man may have been able to restrain her but at what possible risk of injury to himself or her or others? Medical personel would probally have used drugs with much longer and more severe implications. Hand cuffs and leg restraints can cause injury the the wearer also. Unless the cop was getting his rocks off by stunning her, I have to say that he probally did the best he could think of at the time. Judging him from in front of a PC is easy. Taking charge in a real world situation is not as easy for some. I think that this cop can stand tall and sleep well knowing he took action and did his job.

Side note: Not a big fan of cops in general, but they are a necessary evil. I know a couple and met a couple more. Nobody is an angle, and what a shit job although some may actually see the deeper good in it. Don't **** with me and I wont **** with you is my attitude for them.

As for the media: I took some journalism classes(can you tell from my bad spelling and structure) News is entertainment. It has a purpose. The purpose is to sell. Emotions sell. Verv very little news is pure news. Pure news is not entertaining and dose not sell. Almost all news has a slant. Slants are good for sales or political agendas not good for pure news. Get the facts and think for yourself!

[Solarjetman]

Trust me, I raised two daughters

Just because your daughters don't need it does not mean there isn't some girls out there that do. I have read stories about kids killing other kids for their shoes!

In my first post, I never said the cop didn't do anything wrong, I was arguing that there was not enough information in the news article to pass judgment on him.

And as for your objection that there was no reason, I am afraid that is untrue. Every deed has a reason it was done. This cop could be a horrible person and did it for fun, he could have been on an adrenaline rush and did it on accident, or there could have been a danger present and it was required.

Without more info than the new article gives, you cannot make that call. And just the way this article is written, gives me the impression the author was out more for sensationalism than reporting.

[Doramius]

This girl alone caused several problems in the past. It also states she was at an institution for being mentally unstable. The officer wasn't trying to cap her A** as that would be excessive force. He was just trying to subdue her for hers, and other people's protection. I have a son that doesn't act like that kid and I doubt he will ever get to that point, but I feel there are many people that need to be tazed on a regular basis because they threaten harm to themselves and others. Capmaster will agree on this as I think Northcat helps keep him in line with Dolly in this method.

[DereX888]

It all comes down down to what YOU believe in.

If youre a PC (politically correct *******) you'd say "we should all let that crazy girl bite our nuts off because she is just 9y.o. little girl".

If youre a southern redneck you'd say "just shoot that damn bitch, dont waste electricity".

If youre none of the above you'd think "it aint right to use taser on her, but the rights of *society* to be proteced from physical harm by anyone (including sick/crazy/wacky babies) comes *first* before the right of that girl to do what she want, thus tasing her to stop threat to the society she represented at that moment was best option".
Or you'd say - as probably most of the ppl - "who gives a shit, aint my girl nor my balls she tried to bite off".

[Doramius]

THinking about it, there are a few times where I just feel like tasing the next few people I see. Good thing I don't have a Taser. I have a Shot Gun.

[Capmaster]

THinking about it, there are a few times where I just feel like tasing the next few people I see. Good thing I don't have a Taser. I have a Shot Gun.

Judging by the "poo poo" thread, you have a shitgun Couldn't resist

[handyguy]

"This means that in USA the citizens have guns and the police officers don't ?"

Other way around for the UK.

With what they feed kids these days, a 9 year old could weigh more than 200lbs.