Best looking bloke ever!!

[Capmaster]

That's another nice addition to your signature, northcat!

The biggest gun I have is a .22 air rifle. I don't know what the rules surrounding firearms are in the UK, but I think they must be dead strict compared to the USA. Seeing a gun here is rare indeed.

Cobra

I believe all you guys are allowed to own are air rifles and .22 LR rifles. At least that used to be how it was. They're way stricter than here. We can still legally carry sidearms in public without any special permit. As long as they're in plain view. Very few people do that though, except in Dodge City, Kansas

Every state allows private handgun ownership, but some cities like NYC and Chicago ban it within the city limits. Then there are other cities like Kennesaw, Georgia that passed a city ordinance making it illegal not to own a gun Needless to say, Kennesaw enjoys a much lower per-capita crime rate than NYC or Chicago

[northcat_8]

Ohio just passed a law allowing people to carry concealed weapons. You have to take a training course and get a permit...and register your weapon(s)

Several businesses are refusing service or won't let you on the premisses if you are carrying.

[flaninacupboard]

cap, excuse my ignorance, but is that a genuine pic?

Also looks like you're packing a laser sight?

[Capmaster]

cap, excuse my ignorance, but is that a genuine pic?

Also looks like you're packing a laser sight?

The pic is genuine. The thing on the top of the gun is a 2x - 6x Redfield zoom scope.

When I first saw it I wasn't prepared for the fireball to have such a step in it just past the barrel. Also, you can see the artifact from using a wide angle lens - the fireball seems to curve downward.

The Desert Eagle is insanely accurate, partly because it uses polygonal rifling instead of lands and grooves. The other reasons are because the scope mounts directly to the barrel, unlike most other autos, and the gun uses gas-operation to cycle the slide - a very smooth action.

My best shooting with this gun was a 5-shot group at 100 yards that measured 2.875 inches across the farthest centers. After that I went home

[glockjs]

arizona you can take a very short class at your local college to carry a conceled weapon. anybody of age can carry one for no reason at all. just if you get pulled over make sure to show mr officer. if you ever make it down to arizona dont shoot at anybody, cause we shoot back mofo

[Capmaster]

arizona you can take a very short class at your local college to carry a conceled weapon. anybody of age can carry one for no reason at all. just if you get pulled over make sure to show mr officer. if you ever make it down to arizona dont shoot at anybody, cause we shoot back mofo

Up until about 10 or so years ago it was legal to shoot a fleeing felon in New Mexico. To quote a scene in Death Wish by the character who lived in Tucson: "Hell, we're safe to walk our streets at night. Anyone tries to mug someone here, they just plain get their ass shot off". One of my favorite scenes, and so true.

[flaninacupboard]

polygonal rifling? how does that work? i'll go google if you can't be bothered to explain

[Capmaster]

polygonal rifling? how does that work? i'll go google if you can't be bothered to explain

I tried to word it so you'd understand, but I'm not that good at it. Sit tight for a few minutes and I'll draw up something quick in Bloatoshop

[flaninacupboard]

I tried to word it so you'd understand, but I'm not that good at it.

Thanks for not making me sound like -too- much of a retard! :P

[Capmaster]

I tried to word it so you'd understand, but I'm not that good at it.

Thanks for not making me sound like -too- much of a retard! :P

I didn't mean you were the spas. I meant I can picture it but not explain it without everyone saying WTF???

Here's a diagram:



On the top is a typical barrel and rifling. There are grooves cut into the inside surface to grip the bullet. The bullet actually deforms into the groove and this allows the twist on the barrel rifling to give the bullet spin for ballistic stability. The down side is that it perturbs the outside surface of the bullet and provides a drag point, not to mention squeezing the bullet slightly out-of-round and imbalancing the axial center of gravity and the geometric center.

The polygonal rifling on the bottom squeezes the bullet gently without perturbing its axial center or its outside surface. You can see the exaggerated flats as opposed to the sharp, cutting grooves. No metal is cut into and the bullet flies truer.

I know this drawing blows, but I wanted to answer your question and it's a bit hurried

Edit: I forgot to show the twist down the barrel on the bottom sketch. Note to self: Rushing means mistakes :P

[flaninacupboard]

I understand though, so it's ok

So is it not as easy to ascertain if a recovered round was fired from a gun with polygonal rifling?

hmm, that sentance isn't very clear. i'll try again.

If the police had a recovered round and a suspects' gun, would it be hard for them to prove it was fired from that gun if it had polygonal rifling? Presumably you can get away with a thinner barrel like that too as the metal isn't weakened?

[northcat_8]

arizona you can take a very short class at your local college to carry a conceled weapon. anybody of age can carry one for no reason at all. just if you get pulled over make sure to show mr officer. if you ever make it down to arizona dont shoot at anybody, cause we shoot back mofo

Actually I think that's why the gun law passed here in Ohio. Cities like Dayton, Columbus, Cleveland and Toledo are not safe places to be most of the time. Even in a smaller town where I work, we have 2-3 kids getting shot every year. It's getting pretty bad in some places in a few towns around Ohio. I mean hell we do have a police officer that patrols our hallways at school everyday, along with 5 other security guards. I've seen more than one kid put on the floor, hooked up and hauled off.

We travel quite a bit in the summer time, and when we do I always have good Ol' Smitty with me. S&W 45 ACP. I never did take it with me until one of the families on my son's baseball team got car jacked in Louisville 4-5 years ago.

In Ohio you can shoot someone who breaks into your house, but he has to be IN your house...so if he's breaking into the garage, you have to throw him through a window or drag him into the house after you shoot him.

[Capmaster]

I understand though, so it's ok

So is it not as easy to ascertain if a recovered round was fired from a gun with polygonal rifling?

hmm, that sentance isn't very clear. i'll try again.

If the police had a recovered round and a suspects' gun, would it be hard for them to prove it was fired from that gun if it had polygonal rifling? Presumably you can get away with a thinner barrel like that too as the metal isn't weakened?

Quite right about the thickness. The polygonal rifling isn't equally spaced. I believe it's the same as regular rifling - each barrel has at least one unique dimension or combination of dimensions. I think that's required of any gun sold here.

[offline]

Polygonal rifling is not new as I have seen old cannons with that
technology; hell even my British Small Arms 22L has a such rifling.
My Q is why? Is this best for low velocity rounds which can't take
much drag?

I'm no expert on guns, here in Oz we are fairly restricted. I do
have a silent .22 LR (breech load) and have fired a .38 & .357. My fav. was
an M14 - nice gun. Idiot me held the barrel one time though - burn't
the crap outta my hands.

Another Q: how fast can you run when some jelly brain chucks a 150 round box of 30 Oh 8 shells in a bonfire? A. Faster than the speed of light

[northcat_8]

Offline -

wasn't it a few years ago that Australia made everyone turn in their firearms, so they could destroy all those guns?

I don't remember exactly where that was now, but I remember thinking "No freakin way".

[Cobra]

I think they tightened laws here since the Dunblane massacre. A truly horiffic act that should not be forgotten.

[Doramius]

Is it just me or do these vaguely remind others of health class pics. Maybe I'm squinting too hard.

I tried to word it so you'd understand, but I'm not that good at it.

Thanks for not making me sound like -too- much of a retard! :P

I didn't mean you were the spas. I meant I can picture it but not explain it without everyone saying WTF???

Here's a diagram:



On the top is a typical barrel and rifling. There are grooves cut into the inside surface to grip the bullet. The bullet actually deforms into the groove and this allows the twist on the barrel rifling to give the bullet spin for ballistic stability. The down side is that it perturbs the outside surface of the bullet and provides a drag point, not to mention squeezing the bullet slightly out-of-round and imbalancing the axial center of gravity and the geometric center.

The polygonal rifling on the bottom squeezes the bullet gently without perturbing its axial center or its outside surface. You can see the exaggerated flats as opposed to the sharp, cutting grooves. No metal is cut into and the bullet flies truer.

I know this drawing blows, but I wanted to answer your question and it's a bit hurried

Edit: I forgot to show the twist down the barrel on the bottom sketch. Note to self: Rushing means mistakes :P

[offline]

Offline -

wasn't it a few years ago that Australia made everyone turn in their firearms, so they could destroy all those guns?

I don't remember exactly where that was now, but I remember thinking "No freakin way".

Yep. After the Port Arthur Massacre 28 April 1996, 35 killed.
All auto and semi auto weapons were to be handed in - including
semi auto .22 rifles. Not long after was Scotland's Dunblane massacre
in which Australians shared the shock.

Now, no one outside the military, police or special security can own
a semi auto handgun either. Just to get a revolver is difficult. Forget
owing a crossbow or speciality weapon! My "device" is illegal but
I'm not handling that in - as late as two years ago they were still
trying to track it down. They = a special task force to track "govt issued"
or registered "special" items.

When you go o/s and see the guns people are able to use you get
envious but also, strangely, a little afraid as well, as you are not as
used to seeing them.

-edit-

Just hear a car backside in any major Australian city or suburb and
the local police and emergency lines will be flooded with reports of
gun shots. Right now in Melbourne we are in a middle of a gangland
war. It appears the bad guys did not comply with the govt. order.

[northcat_8]

WOW...that sucks. I thought I saw that on the history channel or discovery channel something like that.

When that came out, I know many of my friends refused to buy and register any guns...they still bought them...just not registered I have 14 guns and not a single one registered. Although, all but 3-4 are hunting rifles or shotguns. But my 45 and my SKS 7.62x39 are not hunting "tools".

[Rookie64]

Either Rookie is deep in thought, or he's tokin the chronic

Thinking how did this thread become so hard to follow

Or perhaps he's playing with his false teeth?

It comes with old age <sigh>

least I still have my hair 8)

[glockjs]

yeah northcat_8 its pretty much the same thing in az, shoot first and ask questions later. thats messed up though, the area you live in and all. if somebody is gonna shoot at me you better damn well believe im gonna shoot back

so who jacked this thread anyways? wheres indo at?

anyways, i think im a sessy bish still. can i vote for myself twice?

[888888]

Glockjs, are you Phil Anselmo?

BTW, when I was alive (still am), they had a show called Kung Fu Returns or just Kung Fu with David Carradine. Do not remember grasshopper references in it specifically but I do remember him picking up a red hot metal thing with his inner forearms for a nice burnt in design. That actually might have been the movie which I saw when I was wee high. TV was good back then.

[glockjs]

i very well could be, but only if it helps me get laid

[888888]

i very well could be, but only if it helps me get laid

There is definetly a resemblance. And yes, being Phil Anselmo would absolutely get you laid, although the chicks may be a little on the violent side.

[glockjs]

heavy metal chicks rule. i love a chick that can play rough.

[offline]

When that came out, I know many of my friends refused to buy and register any guns...they still bought them...just not registered

That is exactly what is stupid. You can buy a Chinese "Glock" for
$700 here. I remember being seriously offered a free series 7
BMW (stolen) if I bought 5k worth of artillery. The black market
is just crazy at the moment. For the record I have never bought
"on the black" as I can't afford to have a criminal record.

I have 14 guns and not a single one registered. Although, all but 3-4 are hunting rifles or shotguns. But my 45 and my SKS 7.62x39 are not hunting "tools".

Nice.. but owning that much here = mucho gaol time if caught. I'd
love to own an SKS I like weird weapons, not necessary
high caliber. There was a mobile phone gun I saw on the net
a few years back. Small GSM look alike with screen that fired
4x .22 ammo. Love to own that.

[northcat_8]

I wouldn't necessarily say "black market" over here...I mean if you run in the gun circles you definitely know where you can purchase...those kinds of weapons. Most guns over hear change hands by trade or something along those lines. Matter of fact I don't even know anyone who has walked into a gun store and just purchased a firearm.

I live out in bumfuck, so anyone around my house should be there, it's always BLAM BLAM who's out there?

My SKS is sweet, I love it. I have 17 zipper clips for it, it has the cevlar collapsable stock, stainless steel spike bayonette, a 30 round banana clip. A friend and I decided to make it fully auto so we get the part, and during one of our drunken "yea, that's a good idea" nights, we take it apart. Putting it back together my friend says, "I don't think we need to put the trigger spring back in" and with Budweiser as my guiding light I said "yea we probably don't need it" so we get it all back together minus the trigger spring and at 3:00 am we load the banana clip full up, my friend jacks the first shell in and about 4 seconds later it stopped firing, casing were flying everywhere, the gun is straight up in the air my friend is stumbling backwards my friend looked at me in shock and says "maybe we should put the trigger spring back in"

We get together once a month or so, drink beer and shoot exploding targets out behind my house or my friend's house. It's a blast, only had the law called on us a couple of times. But usually only when we are shooting the higher caliber rifles that echo throughout the countryside.

[teegee420]

I change my mind about wanting to move out to the country. :P

[Cobra]

Just something interesting that's gun-related I read recently in a McNab book. He was recalling when he was still in training and Kevlar was just coming out. One of the guys he was with got his hands on a Kevlar vest, and had a fellow soldier shoot him in the chest at point-blank range. He got up, no bother and prove how excellent Kevlar really is.

A week later, he got a hold of a Kevlar helmet. He wanted someone to shoot him in the head. Nobody would do it, and later on he learned from the Kevlar guys that is was a polystyrene mock-up of the real product! I bet he was a little shaken after that!

Cobra

[Capmaster]

Just something interesting that's gun-related I read recently in a McNab book. He was recalling when he was still in training and Kevlar was just coming out. One of the guys he was with got his hands on a Kevlar vest, and had a fellow soldier shoot him in the chest at point-blank range. He got up, no bother and prove how excellent Kevlar really is.

A week later, he got a hold of a Kevlar helmet. He wanted someone to shoot him in the head. Nobody would do it, and later on he learned from the Kevlar guys that is was a polystyrene mock-up of the real product! I bet he was a little shaken after that!

Cobra

That's funny. A good example of the Darwin Principle - the gene pool is self-cleaning