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its the big game. your team (away) is leading 20-17.
there is 2:31 seconds left on the clock in the 4th quarter, you're at the other (home) teams 41 yard line. its 4th & 1.
what would you do?
let me explain the pro's and con's behind each poll option
1) go for it.
pro: you get the first down, and run out the clock to win the game.
con: you fail, giving the other team good field position.. or turn the ball over giving them better field position and/or they score off it.
2) attempt a long field goal
pro: you extend your lead to 6 points and force the other team to score a TD, with slightly over 2 minutes left.
con: you miss the FG, giving the other team great field postion & they only need a FG to tie it up. FG attempt is botched/blocked and they get good field position or score.
3) punt the ball.
pro: you put them in bad field postion, putting pressure on them to get in to FG range.
con: they block the punt, or they return the punt and get in to good field postion or score, the punter botches the punt.
the coach of the greenbay packers decided to punt, after taking a delay of game penantly to put his punter in to a better punting position. he kicked it in to the endzone for a touchback. the eagles got the ball at their own 20.
with 2:21 left on the clock the eagles drove to the packers 19 yard line & kicked a field goal forcing overtime. they then kicked another field goal in overtime to win the game.
its been months, but i still cant forgive mike sherman for this epic blunder in coaching. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME, YOU DONT PLAY TO "not lose". if your team cant convert a 4th & 1 when it matters, then your team doesnt deserve to be in the game. you want your team in control of their own destiny, you dont want to put it in the hands of the other team.
favre would have 0wned the panthers & patriots, and gotten the 2nd superbowl he deserved.
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4th and 26 is all I have to say
EAGLES will dominate next year... GO EAGLES!!! -
Go for it. Play action or a QB sneak. I don't want to sound like I know anything about football because I don't. My strategy experience is limited to Madden games.
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if theres a defender coming towards me i'd pass the ball to someone on my left at the last moment, so the defender tackled me and the ball gets away. then you charge up the field. if there's no defender i'd just keep on running.
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this isnt rugby or soccer! its football (american football, real football)
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oh, so no running or passing then?
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yes, there is running and passing. the description you gave sounds more like rugby or soccer. in football, the play you're describing is known as 'the option'.. its mainly used in college football, although it is sometimes used in professional football... but mainly as a trick play.
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- Mar 2003
- Chit, IDK I'm following you
While I can see why he punted and do not strongly disagree with that decision, I would have went for it.
But by that same token, if he goes for it and doesn't make it, then everyone is "WTF?? DUMBASS you have to punt the ball, you have the lead, rely on you defense." That's the beauty of being an armchair QB, your decisions are always made after the play, and you are never wrong. If you disagree before the play as in this case then you never know if you were wrong or right, they didn't run your play.
The game however was not won or lost on that play. A 4th and 26 conversion at any level from pee-wee to NFL is unexceptable and outright BULLSHIT. I mean christ, they can only send 5 receivers out for passes and you can cover them with 11 defenders if you want to...that was pathetic.
The game itself I was rooting for Green Bay but only because I hate the Eagles. I don't like McNabb, I didn't like him a Syracuse and I sure don't like him now.
I don't think it mattered anyway, Green Bay would not have owned the Patriots. The Patriots are far better coached and were better defensively than Green Bay is offensively. Green Bay's defense was not strong enough for New England's offense either.
Just so you know, I don't like the Patriots either, matter of fact I feel like I need a shower after talking positively about them. I'm a Pittsburgh fan, and yes, I know we suck and we are going to suck again this coming year but they are my team.
I do agree, you play the game to win, Not to keep from losing. Which Green Bay did on the punt and on the 4th and 26. -
That was one hell of a tirade, Northcat! Out of curiosity, who the **** do you like?
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i agree with you on the fact that there is no way GB should have let philly convert that 4th & 26.. none the less, i still have to disagree with you on the 4th & 1 call. when the game comes down to 1 play, your team has the ball, and you have ONE yard to move the ball, then you go for it. espeically since you're on the road.. i mean, even if you fail the game isnt over.. you wanna know the difference between going for it and punting it was? a few seconds & 1 play.
lets say you do go for it and get stonewalled at the line of scrimmage.. you ran a few seconds off the clock and they've got the ball at their own 41.. but instead he punted.. touchback, run for 21 yards.. back at the line of scrimmage when you had the ball on 4th & 1.. i know there was no way of predicting that, or even calling him on that..
BUT FOR FUCKS SAKE. 4TH & 1, GAME ON THE LINE, YOU GO FOR IT.
i understand that convervative coaching is the way the game is played, which i usually agree with... but on the road, in the playoffs, 4th & 1, game on the line.. gahhhh.. i dont live in greenbay, or even wisconsin.. but this has to be the biggest coaching blunders of the 2003 season (you cant blame the coach for carney shanking the XPA after the amazing TD.
p.s.- i'm glad to hear you're not a bandwagon hopper.. stick with the steelers, they'll make it to the superbowl again.. only to have the cowboys smash them (superbowl XXX, you got beat by SHITzer! ahahah) -
You better used to McNabb because we just acquired Terrell Owens, Javon Kearse and Dhani Jones....The game itself I was rooting for Green Bay but only because I hate the Eagles. I don't like McNabb, I didn't like him a Syracuse and I sure don't like him now.
The EAGLES are going to win the super bowl next year... it's guaranteed!!! And the following year and next.... get the drift... can you say dynasty? -
"There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge, and I knew we'd get into that rotten stuff pretty soon." -- Raoul Duke -
Master of Time & Space
- Feb 2004
- Denver, CO United States
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4th and 1 - Go for the 1st down of course. You could just fall forward over your center and get 1 yard.
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4th and 26 video (save target as)
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The question is who do you put your faith in? How's your running game been going? What's your defence like? Who's your place kicker? Do what got you there. However a 20 to 17 game does not sound particularly strong offensively or defensively. So all things being equal call a quaterback sneek on a long count if your line is well disaplined or a quick count if not. At least then you have exhibited trust in the man with the ball.
Big Government is Big Business.. just without a product and at twice the price... after all if the opposite of pro is con then wouldn’t the opposite of progress be congress? -
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- Mar 2003
- Chit, IDK I'm following you
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OK, let me see how I can say this...Tactfully....
**** THE EAGLES
Ron Jawarski is gone, Harold Charmichael is retired. Robert Montgomery is gone. Terrell Owens while a good athlete is a team cancer, SF was in no big hurry to hold on to him and there weren't a bunch of teams trying to sign him. And when the Iggles play the Ravens, I hope Ray Lewis and the boys wipe him off the face of the earth. McNabb is over-rated and for all of you Iggles fans who are trying to ride McNabb's jock now, I remember the draft, I heard all the BOO-ing and how upset Philadelphia was over that selection...so STFU. They don't have the defense to take them to that next step and losing Duece isn't going to help their running game.
I can say Dynasty but it will never be proceeded by "Philadelphia", I doubt the Iggles will even make the playoffs. Gibbs is back in Washington but I think they are a year away. NY got rid of bleeding heart Fossil but the team to beat in the NFC will be the Cowboys. I hate it that I said that, because I despise the Cowboys...(Oh by the way Jeex, Superbowl XXX
How about 1976 and 1978 Superbowls IX and XII, forget about those?)...but I like Parcells and he will put the Cowboys back on the right track. I've spoken with Parcells before and he is a great guy, obviously knows his shit...Barry Switzer is a Jackass, he's always been a Jackass and when Switzer speaks to you it's like he's almighty and you are retarded.
The Eagles...Superbowl Champions???
Yea, about the same time the Lakers win a Stanley Cup 
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Jeex, this is a no-brainer!
You go for it. First down means game over. End of story. What ******* idiot wouldn't go for it? Oh, wait. I see the problem here.
Remember the playoff game between Green Bay and Seattle? Remember the coin toss before the overtime, when Hasselbeck said, "We're gonna take the ball, and we're gonna score!" OK, they didn't score, but they went into the overtime with the right mentality. As you said, you play the game to win, you don't play the game to not lose.
It's 36 inches. I cover more than that when I pass out and fall to the ground. If you can't get one yard in a clutch situation, you got no business being anywhere near the playoffs.
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I'm gutsy and stupid. I'd go long field goal. If it's bad, I get to scream at special teams. If it's good, I suck up all the glory for making such a successful gutsy decision, and I'd still yell at special teams for not being able to do it all season long.
I'm also the guy who'd try 2 point conversions most every time. If they can get first down from 15yds out on other plays, why not put this one in the end zone? Everyone's already psyched about making the touchdown, and now everyone's got a confidence boost.
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