Overburn to HD with TMPGEncDVDAuthor

[nitestalker49]

I have seen other people post that they can burn appr. 11 to 13 gigs or more on a file on their HD. Then they use DVD Shrink to shrink it down to 4.5 or whatever.

I can only get TMPGEncDVDAuthor to burn approx 7 to 8 gigs to a file? Is this maybe in the setting or something? It really bothers me. Or is there a way to do this by twisting everything around say make a cd ... shrink it ...then make another and shrink it.... then put em together and shrinkem again..???????

[overloaded_ide]

Not being picky but I think your terms have me a bit confused what your asking.
So to clarify but not insult!

I have seen other people post that they can burn appr. 11 to 13 gigs or more on a file on their HD

Your not burning to the hard drive really and your not creating one file 11-13gigs. If this is reffering to capturing, some systems using win98 or older software have a 4 gig (or less) file size limit. If you are reffering to your DVD you created then that's not just one file like a capture, it is several or many files to make up one disk normally all saved to the VIDEO_TS folder. I think that's what you meant though, 11-13gig dvd.

I can only get TMPGEncDVDAuthor to burn approx 7 to 8 gigs to a file? Is this maybe in the setting or something? It really bothers me

No need to be bothered, the DVD size limit is about 9gigs which equals a daul layer dvd with that program. I use the program alot myself and know it well. I use ver. 1.5?? but not sure if I have the newest version or not.

Or is there a way to do this by twisting everything around say make a cd ... shrink it ...then make another and shrink it.... then put em together and shrinkem again..???????

DVD, yes Exactly

Do a search for my posting about titanic experiment and shrinking with dvd shrink.

The limit for Tmpgenc dvd author is about 9gigs, give or take a little. In other words it will do a daul layer disk just fine. Ignore the warning the disk exceeds 4.7 gigs and let it make the disk. That gets you to the 9gig limit, but if you have more than 9gigs then the program will give a error and stop or something (forgot exactly what) when it hits the 9gigs limit. I only tried over 9gigs a couple times and it aborts there so it was a waste of time.

The more you shrink the more quality you lose, but much has to do with what you actualy started with as to how good or bad it will look.
For the Titanic I mentioned I had captured VHS at higher than needed bps and it was about 6 gigs each tape, total 12 gigs. I Authored each tape as a 6 gig DVD and shrunk those to 4 gigs each. Then I used the shrunk DVDs to create a new 8gig dvd. I then shrunk the DVD down to 4 gigs again. That is how I mastered 12gig mpg files to a 4 gig DVD -R disk.

My disk was very good. But you will lose quality the more you shrink, I happened to been using excellent brand new tapes and actually captured at a higher bps than I normally would have. If I had normall mpg files or several DVD's I was trying to do this way I am sure there would have been alot of quality loss.

I do plan to try backing up several DVDs to one disk before long and see what happens. Maybe put Shrek 1 and Shrek 2 on the same disk, or all 3 lion kings on one disk?

[nitestalker49]

Your not burning to the hard drive really

you have got to be kidding me? yes, actually you are burning any time you write something to your Hard Drive. When you delete it the Operating system puts a 0 in front of it so that it is identified as something that can be burned over. Kinda like Cassette tape recorders.

and your not creating one file

your right i should of said folder, it should of been obvious i would of thought when discussing TMPGEncDVDAuthor. But I do apologize.

If this is reffering to capturing, some systems using win98 or older software have a 4 gig (or less) file size limit. If you are reffering to your DVD you created then that's not just one file like a capture,

Capturing is when you bring one form of media from one source to another. While doing this you may or may not need to burn it on to your HD. You may have the ability to save it a memory stick. Nevertheless, Capturing and Burning are two completely different actions.

No need to be bothered, the DVD size limit is about 9gigs which equals a daul layer dvd with that program. I use the program alot myself and know it well. I use ver. 1.5?? but not sure if I have the newest version or not.

actually i am using a DVDR, therfore the goal would be to create a dvd the size of 4.5gigs.


I hope your not to confused by all this and hopefully you understand the functions of a computer a little better. You did answer my question for the most part. 9 gigs is the limit. Thank you.


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[Sifaga]

i think thats funny

[guns1inger]

Burning to the HD ?

That would explain the smoke coming from my PC case . . .

And I though HDD's worked on a principal of magnetic alignment . . . .bah!

[andyp1]

Can I select overburn and squeeze 65GB onto my 60GB HD ?

[bugster]

Your not burning to the hard drive really

you have got to be kidding me? yes, actually you are burning any time you write something to your Hard Drive.

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No, you are writing to a magnetic based media. The term burning is used when referring to writing to optical media (CDr, DVDr) as it is a pretty good approximation as to the physical action being performed.

BTW, if quality is important to you, you will (nearly) always get better quality encoding at the correct bitrate to fit on a DVDr than creating oversize VOB's and shrinking. If you are capturing direct to mpeg-2, or using DVD's as your source, and speed is more important, shrinking is the way to go.

[nitestalker49]

I have had lower quality results by encoding at the correct bitrate, which I would do if it was more than 3 hours of video. I have had better luck in a low amount of video, to just use dvdshrink.

Am I wrong in considering the fact that while shrinking the shrinking software analyses the video and reencodes at the appropriate bitrate. From what I have found the bitrate had indead changed after using dvdshrink?

[bugster]

Am I wrong in considering the fact that while shrinking the shrinking software analyses the video and reencodes at the appropriate bitrate. From what I have found the bitrate had indead changed after using dvdshrink?

Yes, shrinking does indeed lower the bitrate. Thats a given if you have to reduce the size of the file but maintain the playing time.

As for the quality issue and re-encode vs Shrink. Obviously do what suits your needs and give you acceptable results. What I said about re-encode vs shrink was pretty general. If the material in question is not bit rate starved, then shrinking can be almost as good as re-encoding (with a good encoder and the correct settings) but is much easier and quicker to perform.
If the source material is not fantastic quality to start with either (e.g. VHS source) then you probably won't see much benefit from the re-encoding without a lot of effort.

[overloaded_ide]

I hope your not to confused by all this and hopefully you understand the functions of a computer a little better. You did answer my question for the most part. 9 gigs is the limit. Thank you.

Well like I said not being insulting but as a PC TECH myself, No I haven't learned much in this post.
I have spent an hour on the phone with a friend trying to figure out why her monitor would not work after they moved the system. After asking her at least 3 times if it was plugged in, and asking her to check the connection to the computer several times and asking about power to the wall socket, asking about lit leds etc... As I was getting ready to hang up and drive 20 miles to her house she snapped and said "Oh you mean there's supposed to be 2 cables? "
Expect the un-expected and you won't be surprised!
Well yeah, if I ask if it is plugged into the wall, and if it is connected to the pc, one would think it does need 2 cables to be in 2 different plugs at once. SO ya, when people use some wrong terms and might be new to a subject and I don't know them well enough to know their experience level I try to cover the basics from various angles. For my friend, there was nothing at all wrong with her computer, she did not have the power cable for the monitor! After trouble shooting all that time on the phone with her I was about to drive 20 miles to check the monitor and video card thinking they fried one of them somehow. I still have no idea what she was thinking when telling me yes the monitor was plugged into the wall and the outlet was working, she did not even have the power cable!

you have got to be kidding me? yes, actually you are burning any time you write something to your Hard Drive. When you delete it the Operating system puts a 0 in front of it so that it is identified as something that can be burned over. Kinda like Cassette tape recorders.

Wrong, nothing like a cassette recorder, those have a little tab you break off to prevent recording over, you just put a piece of tape over the little hole and you can then record over it again, nothing is written to the tape to enable or disable recording. Record/erase protection on those have nothing to do with data at all.

As others have already responded to your post to me, Burners generally have lasers, lasers heat the dye and melt or burn it. That is why we call most CD/dvd writers burners. We heat the dye and that is how it holds info. Also in refference to burning, the laser WILL/CAN burn your eyes if you ever look directly into it while it's working. Something to be carefull of if working on an open one that is connected, which you actually should not do anyway. I have a friend that suffered eye damage that way, so it's not a myth or over statement that they can cause severe eye damage or blindness posibly.
Digital (magnetic) media such as a hard drive DOES NOT burn, it writes 1 and 0 using magnets and heads. That is generally called writing data and reading data, not reffered to as burning because it is not burning!
Analog has never ever to the best of my knowledge EVER been called burning a Cassette tape. It is reffered to as recording normally.
Never heard anyone say I got this tape of a tv show I just burned on my VCR. Perhaps it could be different in different parts of the world, I generally think of USA.

One more quick thought for anyone interested. You can lay a CD -r or DVD R on a very strong magnet and no data damage occurs, because of course it is burned into the disk, not magnetic. You can erase a Hard Drive, floppy disk, cassette tape with a very strong magnet. Open a junk hard drive sometime and you will find a set of pretty strong magnets in it!
Nowhere as strong as the magnets I bought for building a PM altnator, but those magnets are strong enough to use for a smaller one than what I am building currently building. I collected enough of them from junk drives now I will be building a smaller altenator using them later.

As for the inside of the drives, Disk platters, magnets, a moveable arm with heads, motor, that's about all that's in them.

Anyway I wasn't trying to be pickey about anything, just I don't know if you been doing this for several years or since last week? Also keeping others in mind that might read the post also that may have started last week themselfs.