JVC DR-M10SL Anyone have one? Any Experience with?

[magnu]

On DVD-RAM as well as VR Mode, use MEMO/MARK after you've recorded to set the Chapter Points.

Have also noticed that FR recording actually gives you a bit more than the stated time. I recorded in FR to about 2hrs 26mins, & found I actually had an extra 20 or so minutes available at the end.
Maybe this all depends on the actual media used? Also, I have been using Nero to do a full erase to the discs, as the recorder still appears to leave something on it after formatting.

[ejai]

Has anyone using the JVC experienced while recording something the unit would stop and start flashing the LOADING display. I was recording a movie from Directv that was 1hr and 30 mins long, when all of a sudden when it reached the 1hr and 24min mark it shop recording and started flashing the LOADING statement.

It might just be one of those things, I'm trying again.

[magnu]

I had something similar happen. I got a message on screen, though, saying that it couldn't complete the recording, & then ejected the disc.
I was unable to do anymore recordings to the disc (a DVD-RW), & could view all bar the last recording I had made.
I was also unable to make any alterations to the VR recording, & so I reformatted the dic.

I suspect the brand I used, Imation, is not liked by the JVC.

I also noticed this disc is 1x recording speed. Could that cause a problem?

I've also just recorded something to RAM, & used the play while recording feature, so I could add Chapters at the same time.
When I played the recording back, there was some noticable glitches, which are not on the original. It got me wondering if the encoding may be affected in some way by doing this?
I'm now recording the same thing again, but won't touch Play. If I notice an improvement, I'll let you know.

[lordsmurf]

That's called a media error. Both of you.

[Offroad]

Best I can tell, you have no chapter points until after the disc is finalized, then you have one every 5 minutes. This is a bit of a pain if you are just wanting to quickly skip through a recording to see how it came out as the fastest FF mode isn't as fast as I would like.

I'm confused on this issue. Is there a reason one wouldn't just go ahead and finalize and then check to see how the recording came out? At that point you could simply use your 5-min chapter marks.

Yes, Time. I'm capturing my VHS tapes to DVD in LP on -RW in Video mode. I capture the first tape, my DVD is now half full. Yes I can finalize and now after waiting for that to finish I have chapters to quickly skip ahead to check how my capture looks, but if I want to add the second tape to the DVD I now have to unfinalize before I can.

Don't get me wrong, I love the DR-M10 but this could have been improved upon IMHO either by adding chapter marks before finalization or if -RW won't allow this (you can hit the "mark" button so don't see why it wouldn't) or by a skip ahead 5min button. I would normally not use the "mark" button because I'm normally not watching during recording, also I believe these are all cleared during a finalize and replaced by 5min chapters.

I only have a couple few things I would have prefered different on this machine (for me thats good) and the important things (Build and Image Quality) are great.

[magnu]

I definately feel it's a media issue with the Imation DVD-RW disc. Tried the DVD-RAM again, without playing back at the same time, & the glitches were gone. Doesn't really mean that using playback affects it though. I may have just been lucky.

Does DVD-RW hold more than DVD-RAM? Been doing some experiments with both medias at the same FR mode, & have been able to store more on the RW.
I should also point out that the RAM disc has only been formatted on the JVC, whereas the RW I also do a complete erase on the PC.

[magnu]

I wonder if it also helps to do a complete recording at once, as opposed to recording episodes of TV shows one by one, then editing after each recording?

[ejai]

I've made several recordings so far using the DVD-RW and they all came out well. I'm still going to play around with the dvd-ram just to see when I might find it useful to use it, I have so many disks and it would be a waste not to use them in some fashion.

[ejai]

That's called a media error. Both of you.

I thought I had left out something during the setup process that made it reset the system.

[magnu]

I've found the remote to be a real pain. The batteries that came with the machine died within a dat, & every other battery I've tried since has not been any better (they weren't unused. Just need to buy more).

What do others think of the remote? Does it use up battery power quickly?

[ejai]

I find no problems with the remote. So far the unit works fine, this is by far the best purchase I've made in a long time.

If I have any gripes at all it would be the dvd-ram switching the video to a non-standard dvd format on long captures.

All 'N All I like the box.

[tag]

Yes, Time. I'm capturing my VHS tapes to DVD in LP on -RW in Video mode. I capture the first tape, my DVD is now half full. Yes I can finalize and now after waiting for that to finish I have chapters.....

D'oh! I got it now; finalizing takes quite a bit of time because your disk isn't anywhere close to being full and you want to check the burn before starting to record the next tape. Good point. Thanks!

[lordsmurf]

I've found the remote to be a real pain. The batteries that came with the machine died within a dat, & every other battery I've tried since has not been any better (they weren't unused. Just need to buy more).

What do others think of the remote? Does it use up battery power quickly?

Defective remote.

I've had my batteries in here for weeks now. Still fine.

[magnu]

I'm going to take the remote back to the shop tomorrow, & see if they will swap it over for another one (I'll ring first, to make sure the trip isn't wasted).

I do think the remote is faulty, as I've noticed that sometimes the TV settings work, & sometimes not.

[magnu]

With my remote, I think it just has problems operating through the glass door the recorder is behind. It works fine with the door opened.
Now, I just need to re-arrange all my equipment!

[magnu]

Anyone got any tips on how to squeeze just a tiny bit more on to a recording, without the need to go down the software route?

I had my recorder set to VR Mode, as it seems to give me a bit more in FR at 720x576 (I'm on the PAL system). I have a particular program, which is serialized, & runs for 7 episodes, the total of which is 2hrs 46mins & 57secs.
When I set in FR to record 2hrs 34mins (which is the minimum at the full resolution), it actually records 2hrs 45mins.
I'd like to be able to get that extra 2mins on!

Since FR only allows the settings in a specific way, I'm wondering if there might be an easy way of squeezing the maximum to disc?

I've tried FR(JUST), but it doesn't seem to work. What I might try, which has only just came into my head, is adjust the settings after each episode, & see what happens?

[tag]

That's where I got mine... took only 4 days to get it, too! $306 shipped

gshelley61,

I just received mine from eCost about an hour ago. 4 days from the date I placed the order.

Just out of curiosity, where was yours built? I noticed Kabanero mentioned (in another thread) that his unit was made in Japan. On the back of my unit, however, it clearly states "Made in China".

[lordsmurf]

With my remote, I think it just has problems operating through the glass door the recorder is behind. It works fine with the door opened.
Now, I just need to re-arrange all my equipment!

Cheap glass refracts.

[Denvers Dawgs]

Can the JVC DR-M10SL record to any (+)media..I see that it can play a few, and was just curious if recording on was possible?

[lordsmurf]

Can the JVC DR-M10SL record to any (+)media..I see that it can play a few, and was just curious if recording on was possible?

no

[gshelley61]

gshelley61,

I just received mine from eCost about an hour ago. 4 days from the date I placed the order.

Just out of curiosity, where was yours built? I noticed Kabanero mentioned (in another thread) that his unit was made in Japan. On the back of my unit, however, it clearly states "Made in China".

China. That's OK with me so far. It is working great. I've recorded a variety of laserdiscs and 8mm home video tapes... excellent!

One note - I've confirmed for myself what FulciLives and others have recommended in the past about home video footage. If you try to record two hours of hand-held video camera footage to a single 4.7GB DVD, you will have compression artifacts (blocks, etc.) all over the place. One hour per DVD if you are converting home video is best for archiving.

[magnu]

Have 3 Questions:-

1 How do I edit a program which I have inserted a pause into? When I try to do this, it won't let me.

2 Is there any way of making the Play List the final edit?

3 Have tried to use Vegas Video to edit recordings, but only get a picture (no sound). Is there a way of fixing this, or alternatively, does DVD Workshop or Movie Creator have similar facilities?

[Offroad]

If you try to record two hours of hand-held video camera footage to a single 4.7GB DVD, you will have compression artifacts (blocks, etc.) all over the place. One hour per DVD if you are converting home video is best for archiving.

I've been using 4hr mode for my VHS captures and they look great to me. Haven't tried 2 hour mode for this. 4hr mode most closely matches Lord Smurfs ATI movie capture settings.

I'm working with my oldest tapes now, most of these are at least second generation VHS shot video's with some being dubbed in EP. I think my 4hr mode captures of these are slightly better than the source (which I admit isn't impressive)

The only source that seems worthy of SP to me is either a very good analog TV broadcast, very good Std. Def Satellite or HD satellite (Maybe a great quality VHS would be as well). I have played with XP mode but I can't tell much difference even on a great HD source. Of course I'm used to watching my HD broadcasts via DVI in 1080i so capturing this at any setting via S-Video in 480i doesn't compare to 1080i but does look very good.

[gshelley61]

I've been using 4hr mode for my VHS captures and they look great to me. Haven't tried 2 hour mode for this. 4hr mode most closely matches Lord Smurfs ATI movie capture settings.

I'm working with my oldest tapes now, most of these are at least second generation VHS shot video's with some being dubbed in EP. I think my 4hr mode captures of these are slightly better than the source (which I admit isn't impressive)

The only source that seems worthy of SP to me is either a very good analog TV broadcast, very good Std. Def Satellite or HD satellite (Maybe a great quality VHS would be as well). I have played with XP mode but I can't tell much difference even on a great HD source. Of course I'm used to watching my HD broadcasts via DVI in 1080i so capturing this at any setting via S-Video in 480i doesn't compare to 1080i but does look very good.

4 hour mode is at Half D1 352x480 capture resolution, which is fine for VHS copying in most cases. I was referring to archiving first generation home video raw footage from hand-held camcorders (Hi8, SVHS-C, MiniDV, Digital8, even standard 8mm or VHS-C) at a level of quality that could be used for later MPEG2 editing and authoring. Laserdiscs should be recorded at XP or SP mode (720x480), as well.

You can definitely see the difference betwen Half D1 and Full D1 captures on some larger, high resolution monitors (like DLP, for example). Probably not on a direct view CRT or plasma, though.

[ejai]

One note - I've confirmed for myself what FulciLives and others have recommended in the past about home video footage. If you try to record two hours of hand-held video camera footage to a single 4.7GB DVD, you will have compression artifacts (blocks, etc.) all over the place. One hour per DVD if you are converting home video is best for archiving.

After the 2hr and longer captures using the JVC DR-M10SL I agree with what the others say about artifacts (blocks). I was under the impression that this recorder would do a better job capturing video over the Panasonic even on long captures.

My findings are that, yes the video is cleaner and definately better than the Panasonics. Yet the over 2hr mode does not do well on fast moving scenes, in my opinion the Panasonic does a better job there. I have some dance video that is at least 2:30mins long and the video is very pixelated on some parts where the dancer has a lot of movement. The same video clip captured using the Panasonic shows very little pixels.

So far my only real gripe is the over 2hr captures. If you have video that is over 2hrs but doesn't have a lot of fast movement then you will love the results, other than that it barely makes the grade.

The reason I am keeping this unit is because of the DVD-RW support and overall better video quality.

[gshelley61]

After the 2hr and longer captures using the JVC DR-M10SL I agree with what the others say about artifacts (blocks). I was under the impression that this recorder would do a better job capturing video over the Panasonic even on long captures.

My findings are that, yes the video is cleaner and definately better than the Panasonics. Yet the over 2hr mode does not do well on fast moving scenes, in my opinion the Panasonic does a better job there. I have some dance video that is at least 2:30mins long and the video is very pixelated on some parts where the dancer has a lot of movement. The same video clip captured using the Panasonic shows very little pixels.

So far my only real gripe is the over 2hr captures. If you have video that is over 2hrs but doesn't have a lot of fast movement then you will love the results, other than that it barely makes the grade.

The reason I am keeping this unit is because of the DVD-RW support and overall better video quality.

I'm pretty sure that the Panasonic has a unique automatic feature on longer recordings where it changes the resolution from Full D1 to Half D1 and back on the fly. If you go into the menu and fix the resolution (at Full D1), you will run into compression artifacting. I haven't seen where the Panasonic does a better job with high motion scenes on recordings longer than two hours when the resolution is fixed.

[ejai]

You are correct, if you change the resolution switch on the Panasonic to "Fixed" I agree the end results are a very pixelated picture. What I did is that I left it on automatic and the results were ok, and at times better than the results I got from the JVC.

Again, the overall best quality of the captured video still belongs to JVC.

[FulciLives]

One feature missing from ALL stand alone DVD recorders is the ability for the user to select the resolution.

For instance the JVC doesn't switch from Full D1 to Half D1 until what? ... something like around 2 hours and 40 minutes.

Yet at that bitrate Half D1 would look much better.

Shame the user can't select that instead of the machine determining it based on running time.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[ejai]

One feature missing from ALL stand alone DVD recorders is the ability for the user to select the resolution.

For instance the JVC doesn't switch from Full D1 to Half D1 until what? ... something like around 2 hours and 40 minutes.

Yet at that bitrate Half D1 would look much better.

Shame the user can't select that instead of the machine determining it based on running time.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

Ditto!!!!!

[broadway]

One note - I've confirmed for myself what FulciLives and others have recommended in the past about home video footage. If you try to record two hours of hand-held video camera footage to a single 4.7GB DVD, you will have compression artifacts (blocks, etc.) all over the place. One hour per DVD if you are converting home video is best for archiving.

can someone explain why this is true?

so this means I need to record in XP mode?