JVC DR-M10SL Anyone have one? Any Experience with?

[gshelley61]

I also find that VRO files import much slower than VOB. I agree with using DVD-RW in DVD-Video recording mode to save time.

Since you are using Womble to edit, you could record a 3-4 hour project split over two DVD-RW's at SP quality. You should be able to frame accurately join the two together with Womble, author the DVD to file then use DVD Shrink or DVD Rebuilder to make it fit on one DVD-R.

[tommyoz]

I find VRO files harder to manage than VOB files.

I also find that VRO files import much slower than VOB. I agree with using DVD-RW in DVD-Video recording mode to save time.

I third that. For me DVD-Ram stays in the recorder to record over and over again until I can't no more. If I am going to work on it on the computer it has to be DVD-RW Video mode. Just my 2 cents

[lacywest]

I meant cheap when trying to stuff 4-8 hours on a disc, wasn't addressing your question, just a side rant, not aimed at you at all.

Anyway, I find VRO files harder to manage than VOB files. I find ripping the IFO with DVD Decrypter in IFO mode to be best and fastest (yes, even faster than copying files in Windows). It'll grab the full movies, not gonna grab the 1GB VOBs, remerges to long VOB. This is what I import into Womble. If you edit direct off the RAM disc, nevermind (I find smoother experience by simply using HD and extra step copying from disc to drive).

For content between 3-4 hours, go DVD-Video on a DVD-RW and not VR. Of course, VR does make for a nice quick SVCD creator! For that, I actually appreciate the option, just wish I could choose res on my own.

So that works pretty good .... using decrypter ... to make one long huge VOB file ... hmmm ... I shall try that ... Thank YOU !!!

[lordsmurf]

Sort of a "limp" guide at the moment, but I'll eventually expand it, given time:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/edit/recorderedit/recorderedit.htm

[Offroad]

Anyone have any ideas on the problem below?
Its from an earlier post that didn't get any responses.

AV/Coax - RF Out Question on the DR-M10.

I used to have a Mits VCR in my HT cabinet in the living room. I had a coax running from the RF output, to my TV in the bedroom. My Dish 811 DBS has no Coax RF out, but I had a composite hooked to the Mits L1 input.

On the Mits, I could select L1 as my input and press the VCR button. The RF output of the Mits would send the signal from my Satelite receiver to the bedroom. Since my Dish 811 has an RF remote I could then control the Channel of the DBS receiver from the bedroom.

Can't seem to get this to work on the DR-M10. I have the Dish receiver hooked to L1 on the DRM10 but it doesn't seem to want to output this signal via the Coax RF out. I'v tried pressing the VCR/TV button on the JVC remote but this doesn't seem to do anything at least not while the JVC tuner is pointed to L1.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

[JCWBobC]

The RF output only acts as a pass through for the TV. It will not send the DVD signal, the menus, or anything esle out the RF output. The RF output allows your TV to receive your channels when this unit is turned off.
The JVC combo VHS/DVD recorder does have RF output for everything.

[JCWBobC]

I just wanted to clarify something I posted.

The DR-M10S does not have an RF output it has an antenna output, which is why it only passes the signal through.

The JVC combo unit has an RF output, which is why it can send everything out through the coaxial.

Sorry for any confusion.

[Offroad]

The DR-M10S does not have an RF output it has an antenna output, which is why it only passes the signal through.

Thanks for the response, I had sort of figured that but couldn't confirm it in the manual. It seems funny that it doesn't have an RF out since DVD Recorders are more or less being sold as replacements for VCR's. Also there is a TV/Video button on the DR-M10's remote, not sure what this is for if you can't switch between the Coax input signal and the DR-M10's tuner with it.

Maybe I could run a composite or S-Vid out of the DR-M10 to my JVC HR-7600 VCR and then its RF out could send my Satellite signal to the bedroom. I'd rather not have to leave the DR-M10 on all the time but I doubt it would pass the signal unless it was.

[JCWBobC]

The TV/Video button is next to the TV muting button and they both work the TV functions only. The TV/Video button is like an input button that changes the TV from the tuner to the video inputs.

You are probably comparing it to a TV/VCR button which this model does not have.

I hope this helps.

[lordsmurf]

I extensively tested out 6-8 hours modes today.

If you have soft footage or live-action footage, then 6 hour will be okay. Not great, but okay.

Animation? Forget it.

7 hours to 8 hours?

[gshelley61]

Received my new DR-M10SL yesterday. After a quick A-B comparison of recordings made with my Panasonic E50, so far the JVC wins for me. It definitely reduces video noise prior to encoding and results in a noticeable picture quality improvement. The few tests I was able to do were 2hour SP mode for both units. I recorded some 8mm home video footage and a CAV Criterion laserdisc of "Blade Runner".

I have been recording with the E50 input black level set to darker (I thought it looked better that way), so the E50 recordings were somewhat darker than the JVC. The detail and encoding quality differences in SP mode are not as noticeable, but particularly tough areas appear to be handled better by the JVC (less blocky). This may be due to the JVC's video noise reduction allowing for slightly higher bit rates. I do not see any difference in sharpness... I expected the DNR to soften the picture a bit with the JVC, but that was not the case.

The DNR works pretty well, especially on videotape noise. The reduction in video noise is significant and produces noticeably better image than the Panasonic. Laserdisc video noise, already reduced somewhat with a DNR circuit in my LD player, was reduced even further by the JVC. Note that video noise is not completely eliminated, just reduced.

One small thing is the E50 captures at 704x480 with black filling out the rest of the 720 D1 width, but the JVC's capture area is a bit narrower, about 696x480 with the sides filled in with black out to 720.

Watching the test DVD-RW through my Bravo D1 DVI player on a Samsung 46" DLP confirmed that the JVC produces a cleaner image with fewer artifacts. This is particularly evident when zooming in on the letterbox Blade Runner LD recording.

If there was a good, low-cost standalone DNR available to pass through to the Panasonic, I believe it would do as good a job as the JVC (in SP mode, anyway).

I need to do some more tests, but like I said, the JVC clearly made a better recording for me. Your mileage may vary.

[Sam Ontario]

Hi Gshelley,

I am considering buying a JVC. Can you insert chapter marks and titles on the -RW disc in the JVC after recording with DVD-Video mode. If yes, please also try if DVD Shrink can read/rip the whole disc to the hard drive.

Thanks.

[gshelley61]

I've just barely started to use it and haven't read the instructions yet, so I'm not certain of all the features.

It automatically placed chapter points as it recorded (DVD-Video mode). I plan inserting my own chapter points manually when I edit and author the final DVD-R's, anyway.

The finalized DVD has standard .BUP, .IFO and .VOB files and appears to be compatible with all of the applications I've tried opening the DVD so far... DVD Shrink, SmartRipper, DVD Decrypter, IFOEdit, VOBEdit, TMPGEnc DVD Author, and Womble MPEG Video Wizard. It plays back fine with PowerDVD, Windows Media Player and Nero 6 ShowTime, too.

[Sam Ontario]

Before I return my Philips DVDR75 this coming weekend, I need to ascertain that JVC can do what I want on the -RW disc after recording in DVD-Video mode. Would appreciate anyone has the JVC to try it out, thanks.

[kabanero]

Sam ,

What features exactly are you looking for?
I treated my LiteOn 5001 and now my JVC DR-M10 as stand-alone hig quality hardware MPEG encoder because I do all editing and authoring on PC.

[Sam Ontario]

I have recorded most of my Hi8 videos with Daytek, straight onto DVD+R and some on DVD+RW, no problem. I can do all the cropping and cutting with DVD shrink, no problem. The present Daytek recorder (firmware 1141) has no editing function at all and I don't intend to upgrade with LiteOn's 1163 which would probably void my warranty.

I have some collections of Karaoke LDs that my wife would like to record all the favourites to DVDs. Most of these LDs, only half of the songs are my wife's favorites. What I am doing now with the Philips DVDR75 is recording them to DVD+RW discs. After a DVD+RW disc is full, I then insert chapter marks and titles to the DVD+RW, so that my wife can access to any song she likes immediately on the TV screen. The DVD+RW after editing can be played on all of my DVD players, no problem.

Then the problem is when I tried to load it with DVD shrink, DVD shrink cannot load the navigation file .ifo (from Philips proprietary editing capability) and I can no longer be able to copy the DVD+RW disc onto any DVD+R or DVD-R discs with DVD shrink.

Now if JVC's -RW can provide the same editing features that Philips DVDR75 can provide and will allow me to rip the -RW disc with DVD shrink and record to DVD+-R discs, then its perfect for me though I have to bear that finalizing time with -RW discs.

[magnu]

Hi there

Haven't been posting on here for a while, but have been doing quite a lot of reading.

I'm in Australia, & currently own a Panny HS2. I'm very interested in this new JVC model, & intend to get one ASAP.
One thing I'm curious about is the difference in the D1 resolutions of the 2 machines?
The HS2 is 704 (from what I recall), & the JVC is 720 (which seems to be the official standard). Is it worth me still keeping the HS2 to record to the HDD in XP, then transfer to the JVC at SP (or something like that)?
Will I still see a noticeable difference between doing that, as opposed to direct recordings?

I want to be able to make full use of the FR facilities when it comes to recording, & am wondering if it is worth recording to the HS2 first or not?

Having read with great interest that it will be possible to link my PC up to the JVC via DV input, then would this make a better option (If so, then my HS2 will go bye-bye, as soon as I've cleared the HDD)?

Also, as it is possible (it seems) to transfer from PC to JVC this way, then I don't really need the HDD in my recorder anyway!

One last question. What's the editing like on the JVC? The HS2 has noticable remnants, such as a very slight still frame, or audio fade (there's an option to pick which one).

[ejai]

I've been watching this thread for some time now, and I have also taken the plunge and purchased the JVC DR-M10SL. Lordsmurf has done his homework and I believe he knows what he's talking about.

I own a Panasonic E50 and after some time now I have been feeling the need to get another machine that will create a DVD-R that will play in most dvd players (not like the Panasonics). I must admit that I too have been a bit critical concerning the quality of some dvd's created by this machine. Let me add that this machine is by no way a piece of junk, for the most part I love the quality of many of the dvds I created using it.

I am a very picky person when it comes to quality and would like to get a machine that will give me the best quality for the buck. I was thinking about getting the Sony but I'm noticing an continuing trend of negativity concerning the Sony's durability.

Well I've ordered the JVC and should get it by next week, I'm looking forward to testing it's quality especially around the 2-3 hour modes.

Great thread,

[gshelley61]

I have some collections of Karaoke LDs that my wife would like to record all the favourites to DVDs. Most of these LDs, only half of the songs are my wife's favorites. What I am doing now with the Philips DVDR75 is recording them to DVD+RW discs. After a DVD+RW disc is full, I then insert chapter marks and titles to the DVD+RW, so that my wife can access to any song she likes immediately on the TV screen. The DVD+RW after editing can be played on all of my DVD players, no problem.

Then the problem is when I tried to load it with DVD shrink, DVD shrink cannot load the navigation file .ifo (from Philips proprietary editing capability) and I can no longer be able to copy the DVD+RW disc onto any DVD+R or DVD-R discs with DVD shrink.

Now if JVC's -RW can provide the same editing features that Philips DVDR75 can provide and will allow me to rip the -RW disc with DVD shrink and record to DVD+-R discs, then its perfect for me though I have to bear that finalizing time with -RW discs.

Unless I'm mis-reading, the instruction manual indicates that you can perform the functions you describe above with DVD-RAM, DVD-RW and DVD-R with the JVC.

The first thing I did was record about an hour of laserdisc to -RW and throw it in the computer to see if there was any problem - there wasn't (unlike with those darn Panasonic DVD-RAM .VRO's). I used DVD-Video mode and finalized. BTW, finalization only took about 3-4 minutes.

I spent another couple of hours today comparing the DVD-RW recorded with the JVC against the same laserdisc transfer recorded with my Panasonic E50 (both were done in 2 hour SP mode). I played both discs with my Bravo D1 DVI player hooked up to a 46" Samsung DLP. The JVC produces a better looking DVD, primarily because there is noticeably less video noise and (subsequently) less artifacting. IMHO. YMMV.

[gshelley61]

Power DVD screen grabs from a VHS backup to DVD-RW of Allman Brothers Band Live at Great Woods recorded with the JVC DR-M10SL in FR mode set at 1 hour 35 minutes (resized to 640x480):






I used the S-Video out of a JVC SR-W5U (W-VHS/S-VHS/VHS) VCR with on-board digital TBC, DNR, etc. and ran it through a Sima SCC Color Correcter Pro to enhance, sharpen and stabilize (code for defeat MV). The new JVC DVD recorder did the rest.

There is some comb effect visible in these frames since it is interlaced, but watching this on a normal TV it looks fantastic. Virtually no video noise and a rock solid picture. Beats any VHS I've ever seen. Looks better than the original, to be honest.

[Sam Ontario]

Resulting FR PQ is not particularly good compared with recording at 4-hour mode. Maybe it is the source quality problem. With VHS tapes, 4 hour mode is more than adequate.

[Sam Ontario]

Unless I'm mis-reading, the instruction manual indicates that you can perform the functions you describe above with DVD-RAM, DVD-RW and DVD-R with the JVC.

The first thing I did was record about an hour of laserdisc to -RW and throw it in the computer to see if there was any problem - there wasn't (unlike with those darn Panasonic DVD-RAM .VRO's). I used DVD-Video mode and finalized. BTW, finalization only took about 3-4 minutes.

I spent another couple of hours today comparing the DVD-RW recorded with the JVC against the same laserdisc transfer recorded with my Panasonic E50 (both were done in 2 hour SP mode). I played both discs with my Bravo D1 DVI player hooked up to a 46" Samsung DLP. The JVC produces a better looking DVD, primarily because there is noticeably less video noise and (subsequently) less artifacting. IMHO. YMMV.

I will keep my Philips DVDR75 a bit longer and maybe I will keep it. It can also record my Pal Tapes as Pal DVD and plays well on my DVD players. The Daytek p30 will convert to NTSC but the aspect ratio is distorted.

Can JVC record Pal DVD?

[gshelley61]

Can JVC record Pal DVD?

I don't think so... the US spec SL model appears to be NTSC only. However, someone else who has one of these and some PAL video may want to check this out. There is a UK/Euro version of this machine (DR-M10) and perhaps it does both PAL and NTSC? Anybody know?

[gshelley61]

Resulting FR PQ is not particularly good compared with recording at 4-hour mode. With VHS tapes, 4 hour mode is more than adequate.

That's probably true. I guess I'm just pretty excited because this is by far the best looking VHS cap I've done either by various computer methods I've tried, or with my other (Panasonic) standalone DVD Recorder.

[GregN]

There is some comb effect visible in these frames since it is interlaced, but watching this on a normal TV it looks fantastic. Virtually no video noise and a rock solid picture. Beats any VHS I've ever seen. Looks better than the original, to be honest.

Is the comb effect a result of the Sima processor?

[GregN]

Resulting FR PQ is not particularly good compared with recording at 4-hour mode. Maybe it is the source quality problem. With VHS tapes, 4 hour mode is more than adequate.

Are you saying that recording VHS at XP/FR mode will be inferior to a straight LP mode? please clarify.

[lordsmurf]

The "comb" is interlace. That's normal. That's fine.

I wouldn't say better. I'd say "closer to source quality". You can use XP 1-hour on a VHS tape, and it'll look great... but what's the point?

[gshelley61]

I wouldn't say better. I'd say "closer to source quality". You can use XP 1-hour on a VHS tape, and it'll look great... but what's the point?

OK, maybe not better, technically. But this cap looks SO much better than any other VHS transfer method I've tried, it's literally like night and day to me. Even on a 46" DLP, it looks much better than I would have expected was possible. Even my wife commented about how good it looked, and she normally doesn't notice these things that much.

As for using the FR mode at 1 hour and 35 minutes, the source is a little bit over 90 minutes long, so that makes sense to me and it didn't take any extra time to use the highest quality setting possible. The -RW will be copied to a relatively low-cost DVD-R without bothering with a menu or any editing, so the time invested is pretty minimal.

That's really what I've been after - a fast way to get excellent results.

[bluesman04]

What a wonderful thread. So much useful information.

There is a UK/Euro version of this machine (DR-M10) and perhaps it does both PAL and NTSC? Anybody know?

Here in PAL land, I am almost certainly going to buy one myself and have been doing a lot of research before I purchase.

So far I have not found any kind of hack that can make it play Region1 DVD's but have found a supplier who sells it as such.

I do have a question though:

This will be my first recorder purchase and it is going to replace my trusty Yelo 800 player which plays everything I throw at it and what I want to do is to be able to import the DVD contents into my PC using Ulead DVD Workshop 2 but on my first attempt at importing a DVD produced by a Phillips machine, it had the annoying habit of having to import each of the chapters as scenes and so defeated the purpose of inserting my own chapter points where I wanted.
Can the contents of the DVD be recorded in such a way that there are no chapters, i.e. turn them off at the recorder level.

Keep up the good work guys. This is a genuinly useful forum.
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[Sam Ontario]

Resulting FR PQ is not particularly good compared with recording at 4-hour mode. Maybe it is the source quality problem. With VHS tapes, 4 hour mode is more than adequate.

Are you saying that recording VHS at XP/FR mode will be inferior to a straight LP mode? please clarify.

I don't have the JVC but with "gshelleys" pictures posted above, IMO, I can concluded that what I have recorded in 4-hour mode with my Philips or Daytek, the PQ is almost in par with FR mode in 1.5 hours. Whether I record the DVD in 1-hour mode, 2-hour mode or 4-hour mode with VHS tapes as source, there is no noticeable difference in PQ.