Win XP vs 2000 performance

[mujahid7ia]

You probably just need more RAM. I installed XP on my old HP w/ 633MHz Celeron and 256MB PC100 RAM (nothing disabled) and no problems so far. Seems better than ever - certainly better than the WinME it originally had. The only thing it doesn't like is Intel Application Accelerator.

Well, I know RAM would help, but I wasn't really planning to spend any more money on this PC, especially now since PC100 is more expensive even then PC2700 RAM these days... but I'll consider it....

[au7usa]

Not to get too far off the subject, but you shouldn't use win2k files to get NetBEUI working on XP. The correct thing to do is to remove NetBEUI from every machine. There is absolutely no reason to run NetBEUI on a modern system. It's nothing but trouble, even on pure NT4 networks it caused problems. Even if you tell Windows to use TCP/IP it seems to switch over to NetBEUI after a while and never go back, and then it starts having trouble with resources that are not available with NetBEUI (like servers in different subnets, Samba servers, and some print servers).

The guide showing how to install NetBEUI from Win2k on WindowsXP was actually in responce to complaints that people couldn't network WinXP with older Windows (Win95, 98). I agree NetBEUI is archaic, but its nice to have the option.

I guess it depends on the user. Do you want to look to the future, or look to the past.

[au7usa]

I'm on Win2k, and few months back found an article showing how WinXP users can get NetBEUI working by using Win2k files. The article said that WinXP NetBEUI was an afterthought and thrown together at the last moment.

WinXP doesn't do everything better!

XP has NetBEUI included on the CD. You just need to isntall it.

The article says that NetBEUI is on the CD, but that you shouldn't install it.

Thats just here say on my part, I'm a Win2k user. The only valid opinions, really, come from the folks who have used both OS's.

[offline]

Win2k is just a little more fiddley to setup in a network; other than that
it is faster and as stable (perhaps a little bit more) than XP. You
should not have any issues unless you are using ICS through your 2k box - then you are better off with a standalone DHCP server added
to the mix.

[mujahid7ia]

Win2k is just a little more fiddley to setup in a network; other than that
it is faster and as stable (perhaps a little bit more) than XP. You
should not have any issues unless you are using ICS through your 2k box - then you are better off with a standalone DHCP server added
to the mix.

I'll use the router DHCP server. Is that OK?

Not using XP ICS though.

having some trouble finding my Win2K disc (never used), probably will take a few days

EDIT: uh oh - https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=222111
does that mean i'll have to clean install 2K (i was originally planning a dual boot to see if it made a significant difference)? NTFS volume

[devinemi83]

Wow. I just gave 2000 a go and I am AMAZED! Its SOOOO fast compared to windows 98se. Installs ran very quick on it surprisingly. I really thought it would move like a slow beast but it flew on this old gal. Even zonealarm that had always launched slow on 98 was awesome. Zonealarm literally launched in 5 secs. It normally takes about 20-30 secs. It was like having a whole new computer!

I installed it on my old 6gig 5400RPM drive to make sure I could always just plug 98se's drive back in and be good to go but its damn good. I just upgraded it over 98se and it ran perfect. I had a few glitches when I cut down too many services. I accidently killed RPC(whoops LOL) and NOTHING would run correctly. After I fixed it, all was good again.

Up till now I only played with 2000 on other machines because I figured mine was too old and slow to run it with any speed at all. They must have REALLY figured out the memory management issues from 98 by then cause they are all gone.


Windows 2000.....2 thumbs UP!

[mujahid7ia]

Wow. I just gave 2000 a go and I am AMAZED! Its SOOOO fast compared to windows 98se. Installs ran very quick on it surprisingly. I really thought it would move like a slow beast but it flew on this old gal. Even zonealarm that had always launched slow on 98 was awesome. Zonealarm literally launched in 5 secs. It normally takes about 20-30 secs. It was like having a whole new computer!

I installed it on my old 6gig 5400RPM drive to make sure I could always just plug 98se's drive back in and be good to go but its damn good. I just upgraded it over 98se and it ran perfect. I had a few glitches when I cut down too many services. I accidently killed RPC(whoops LOL) and NOTHING would run correctly. After I fixed it, all was good again.

Up till now I only played with 2000 on other machines because I figured mine was too old and slow to run it with any speed at all. They must have REALLY figured out the memory management issues from 98 by then cause they are all gone.


Windows 2000.....2 thumbs UP!

Thanks, that's an encouraging post. Also gives me an idea, I have an old 6.4GB HDD to use it with... Quantum Fireball

[sacajaweeda]

XP is Microsofts way of saying "Catch up with the times". I think Win2K is one of those things Microsoft should have skipped and just gone straight to XP Pro. XP and win2k are hard to network together. It can be but you can't use the little "Networking Wizards" on XP to do. It's like networking older 95's together (kinda).

You're too funny.

There are no problems networking these to OSs together or with any other OS. That also means any version of Win2K and XP. I have used every version and they all setup just fine. The only problem that come to mind is in an enterprise situation where you have NT4 domain controllers and Win2K domain controllers. A win2K or XP client will try to authenticate to the win2K domain server instead of the NT4 box first.

The rest of your comments are just MS bashing of no merit

BTW, Back to the threads subject, CNET did a performance test compairing win2K and XP a while back. Win2K won.

This person speaks the truth.

[SaSi]

NetBEUI is a very fast protocol (faster than IP) and is very effecient. NetBEUI is perfect if you want to isolate computers from parts of your network.

I think I would consider just the opposite. TCP/IP allows you to configure PCs on different "networks" by using different subnet masks and this practically isolates them. NetBEUI can't do this.

Anyhow, comparing Win2X with XP, I am using a rather outdated notebook with a PII 333MHz, 128Mb RAM and Win2K. Not the fastest thing around, but perfectly working for my needs.

I've worked on a similar notebook with a PIII/1GHz and 128Mb running XP and it was slow. Had to "downgrade" to Win2K to make it workable.

If you give the machine 512Mb RAM, both XP and Win2K will run almost as fast. XP don't offer any additional merrits to any seasoned Win2K user. Just fancy stuff and wizzards that get in the way of what you want to do.

Networking is a problem with XP. Of course it can be networked with Win2K but the problem is for anyone to FIND WHERE THEY NEED TO CHANGE SETTINGS. Too much trouble for no reason.

I have only found two reasons to favour XP over Win2K (after working with XP Pro since last September):

1. If you have a hyperthreading CPU, the OS makes full use of it and the system performance is smoother than with Win2K. This however can cause some trouble with programs that can't cope with a dual CPU system - this is how the CPU is seen. Some programs don't run (I am told but have not seen any) and some others only make use of half of the CPU (like VirtualDUB).
2. You can be logged in more than once and switch users while programs run. This is very useful if you want to keep alternative and conflicting profiles and use them easily - even concurrently.

And Win2K is as stable as a Microsoft OS can be these days. Not as good as NT, but much more friendly and potent platform. XP (I consider) is no more no less stable.

[dxj40c]

I think 2000 and XP are both pretty good operating systems, I think of 2000 as "XP without the frills". I used 2000 for about a year before switching to XP and really missed it for awhile after switching.
Where I screwed up was adding the .NET stuff, a couple of programs I added required it, but that has seemed to slow it down considerably especially on booting. But, once its up and running, it does what I need it to do with very little problem. I have never gotten a 'Blue Screen' on either system in 3 years.

[themichael]

I have a machine that triple boots 2k/XP/Suse. The same software (capture and editing) runs slower under XP. These are one user default installs. No anti-virus, third party background services, or quick start tray icons. 2k wins every time.

As a side note:
Win2K = NT5.0 XP=NT5.1

There is very little difference between Home and Pro. File encryption and some enterprise networking stuff.

I provide tech support for family and friends, every computer that has XP on it stops working ( boot failure, software, CD burning) with in 2 years. These people are not the most computer savvy people around. THey email, surf, play solitare, and use office programs. I have 2K machine that gets rebooted every month and has the same install when it was first turned on. I have installed and uninstalled a lot of software and changed the partitions around ( Partition Magic). Still works 2 years later.

and for a few laughs:
My mother's XP machine will no longer display ANY microsoft site or recognize the MSN dialer she has to use. She can't even log into hotmail!!

and to be scared:
Dell tech support told my cousin to never install the XP updates from microsoft because then her computer won't work right......

[devinemi83]

I provide tech support for family and friends, every computer that has XP on it stops working ( boot failure, software, CD burning) with in 2 years. These people are not the most computer savvy people around. THey email, surf, play solitare, and use office programs. I have 2K machine that gets rebooted every month and has the same install when it was first turned on. I have installed and uninstalled a lot of software and changed the partitions around ( Partition Magic). Still works 2 years later.

and for a few laughs:
My mother's XP machine will no longer display ANY microsoft site or recognize the MSN dialer she has to use. She can't even log into hotmail!!

and to be scared:
Dell tech support told my cousin to never install the XP updates from microsoft because then her computer won't work right......

I think I am setting a record for a 98 install. I last did a restore on my 98se install in may 2002 so its been about 2 years on one 98 install and it still runs pretty well. I do regular work on it(registry cleanup, disk checking, defrag every 3 months or so) and it runs good. I know other people with ME or 98 and they reinstall on a nearly monthly basis!

Weird thing about the MS sites, when I installed 2000 a couple days ago it COULDNT open windows update at all. I had to boot back into 98 to download SP4 for it.

Gotta love tech support, yeah dont install those stupid security updates cause all they do is make hackers sad. LOL Then when the person gets blasted by a virus and calls they will ask "well, why didnt you apply all the security updates?!?".

[gitreel]

I had driver issues with 2000. I don't with xp. I rest my case.

[stiltman]

I had driver issues with 2000. I don't with xp. I rest my case.

Guess you didn't have the right drivers

[flaninacupboard]

yet another example of monitor/chair interface error.

[gitreel]

I had driver issues with 2000. I don't with xp. I rest my case.

Guess you didn't have the right drivers

Actually I had the right driver, it just wouldn't work for this particular nic

[stiltman]

yet another example of monitor/chair interface error.

Is the the same as 'user ?[/b]

[gitreel]

I know what I am doing. Ok stiltman. Please do not insult my intelligence

[indolikaa]

Careful!

[stiltman]

I know what I am doing. Ok stiltman. Please do not insult my intelligence

How did I insult your intelligence? By guessing you didn't have the right drivers for 2000? AND with a smiley face after it?

[flaninacupboard]

yeah, it was me that insulted his intelligence! guess he just got us confused, ah well

[stiltman]

yeah, it was me that insulted his intelligence! guess he just got us confused, ah well

Yeah, must be....cause we have similar avatars and nyms

[indolikaa]

Very similar. I have a diffucult time telling you Post-Whores apart.

[gitreel]

yeah, it was me that insulted his intelligence! guess he just got us confused, ah well

I had the right driver. The nic was always disabled, even after I installed the driver on this certain nic.

It is a nic from 3com. It was the 3c905b-Txnm fast ethernet card.

[indolikaa]

yeah, it was me that insulted his intelligence! guess he just got us confused, ah well

I had the right driver. The nic was always disabled, even after I installed the driver on this certain nic.

It is a nic from 3com. It was the 3c905b-Txnm fast ethernet card.

The 3C905. Why does that ring a bell...

[stiltman]

yeah, it was me that insulted his intelligence! guess he just got us confused, ah well

I had the right driver. The nic was always disabled, even after I installed the driver on this certain nic.

It is a nic from 3com. It was the 3c905b-Txnm fast ethernet card.

The 3C905. Why does that ring a bell...

About the most popular NIC ever made???? along with all the generics that ran off the same drivers?

:edit: I even remember when they duplicated MACs on that card.....They were suppose to go to China but screwed up and sold them here....Thought no one would every find out

[mujahid7ia]

OK, Win2000 is installed, general system performance is significantly faster!

A few questions though...

Where can I turn off mouse shadows and similar options in 2K?

Can I disable a properly installed device in device manager (I can in XP)?

[stiltman]

OK, Win2000 is installed, general system performance is significantly faster!

A few questions though...

Where can I turn off mouse shadows and similar options in 2K?

Can I disable a properly installed device in device manager (I can in XP)?

start/settings/control panel...mouse/pointers tab

right click my computer click properties...hardware tab...device manager button....right click on device....select disable

[mujahid7ia]

OK, Win2000 is installed, general system performance is significantly faster!

A few questions though...

Where can I turn off mouse shadows and similar options in 2K?

Can I disable a properly installed device in device manager (I can in XP)?

start/settings/control panel...mouse/pointers tab

right click my computer click properties...hardware tab...device manager button....right click on device....select disable

Thanks, but for second suggestion disabling option isn't there. I am trying to disable my integrated graphics because I'm using a Voodoo3.

[flaninacupboard]

then you shouldn't do it like that, you should turn the onboard graphics card off in your bios.