JVC SVHS with TBC - What a difference on my captures!

[gshelley61]

The built-in TBC's in my JVC DVD recorder and my JVC VCR do not defeat Macrovision. I have a Sima SCC that allows me to transfer my commercial VHS tapes without any problem, but it doesn't defeat DVD copy protection. Apparently a full frame Sync/TBC (like the TBC-1000) will do that.

The JVC VCR I have delivers an outstanding quality, rock-solid playback picture because of the combination of the built-in TBC, color and contrast enhancement filters, and Hadamard DNR video noise reduction.

The JVC DVD recorder has the same three processing features which operate prior to MPEG2 encoding, which is a key reason it performs so well in the picture quality department. Plus, it has additional MPEG noise reduction filtering during playback (Panasonic DVD recorders also have playback MPEG noise reduction).

[lordsmurf]

JVC TBC is not full frame, so will not ALWAYS remove MV (does sometimes). Does remove all CopyGuard tested to date.

TBC-1000 for MV and serious jitter/stability errors.

JVC to clean the image and stabilize other elements missed by the DataVideo TBC-1000

This is why I have both. I need both sets of assets.

[BrainStorm69]

What would your guys' recommendation be for a nice price/performance ratio S-VHS VCR? I'll consider a TBC enabled unit later if I aquire a lot of bad tapes.

This weekend I'll see if I can give you a chance to see some captured stills from several vcrs, some s-vhs, some vhs only. I'm planning on doing a "shootout" between all the vcrs I have as soon as the last two are delivered (which should hopefully be today or tomorrow).

[gshelley61]

I posted some screen grabs from a Titanic VHS using my JVC SR-W5U VCR and DR-M10SL DVD recorder. I was comparing 3-hour half D1 (352x480) MPEG2 captures with max quality 1-hour full D1 (720x480).

The screen grabs will give you an idea of how good a decent VHS tape can look when played back on a very good machine. Check it out:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=222312&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120

[rgs_uk]

I'm not very up to date on these things, but around 1993 Panasonic introduced some vision mixing units (MX1?) that had a TBC built in. So another option would be to look around for one of these secondhand and pass your video through.

I had one on review and you could put almost anything through it (even 4th generation VHS) and it would be rock solid.

[gshelley61]

The MX1 is a Videonics audio/video mixer with dual TBC. The Panasonic A/V mixer you are thinking of is probably the WJ-MX12, which I think also has dual TBC/frame sync, but I'm not certain.

Pre-owned units of either type have been selling on eBay for $350-500, so unless you need the other features they have a standalone TBC would be less expensive. Good idea, though.

[K4S3RYN]

On this subject.. why oh why is it so much harder to get really decent models of these players in the UK or in PAL? The last one i saw was a 9600 and i had to drop out when the bidding got to, get this.. £460 .. which is [quick check on XE] $847.510 USD! Given this.. i'm forced to look at what's available from retailers.. so i'm wondering if anyone has an idea on the build and functioning quality of these players, which are about all that's available here these days..

http://www.electrical-shopping.com/shop/viewproduct.asp?SKU=468

the 8965 seems abt the highest spec i can find. Whats the significance of the 65 as opposed to 60 in these ranges.. and the EK?

Could i still get great rips from this deck if i add a tbc1000? Also, is the pc card version of that, the tbc-100 .. basically the same thing?

Good few q's there but i've been itching to post since i regged

cheers

[lordsmurf]

JVC told me the 8965 was the PAL's 9911.

[K4S3RYN]

Would that be good then? And what about the tbc-100?

[K4S3RYN]

The 8965 only has the 2MB frame buffer for instance..

[gshelley61]

Just picked up a real nice JVC HR-S7800U for a Buy It Now price of only $40 (plus $8 shipping)... it will be the backup S-VHS VCR in my setup.

I know the 7800 is not the sturdiest or most desirable of the upper-end JVC's, but it has the same TBC and DNR circuits that the preferred models have. The picture quality is very good, for sure. If I treat it gently, I'm certain I'll get my $40 out of it.

[K4S3RYN]

Has that model the 2mb buffer? All the current uk models seem to be xx65 and look like they might be a bit cheaper, buildwise..

[gshelley61]

I believe that is correct. 2MB buffer on the 7800.

I have a pre-owned JVC SR-W5U that has the 4MB buffer. I haven't had a chance to do a serious A-B to see how much (if any) difference there is in PQ between the two VCR's. I would expect the SR-W5U to do better, since it was a $5,000+ machine when it was new vs. the $399 HR-S7800U.

[lordsmurf]

The 4MB buffer has always been better than the 2MB buffer. At least comparing 9800/9900 to 7800/7900.

[K4S3RYN]

Thats what i thought. Well after all that i think i've landed a 9600EU. Lets hope its not an Epray swindle and arrives in good nick..


Lordsmurf.. do i take it then you have no knowledge of the tbc100?

[K4S3RYN]

One other thing.. with these models, can u apply the dnr etc to a passed through signal, or do they only apply to whats recorded?

[lordsmurf]

One other thing.. with these models, can u apply the dnr etc to a passed through signal, or do they only apply to whats recorded?

No passthrough. Only on playing tape.

No experience directly on the TBC-100. I've been told 2 things by users. 1, it's not as good as the 1000. 2, it may be a caseless TBC-1000. Conflicting info. I know the 1000 has multiple outputs, something the 100 does not seem to have. Remember this: any device in a PC is likely to suffer PC noise. An external device is free of that (if on a clean power source).

[K4S3RYN]

Gotcha. Good points all. Thanks for the info. And thank by the way for your wonderful site about this stuff. It's whatt first got me on this road and i didn't realise till reading around here that it was u.