burning on the fly

[zak_swan]

when i try to burn on the fly nero says " source and destination drives for on the fly copy process are connected to same IDE bus"
what is a bus? is it the same as IDE connector?
i had a look inside pc and the ribbons are not long enough to swap about.
i've got a DVD rom, DVD writer and 2 hard drives.
will i have to buy longer ribbons or am i missing the point completely
also i've heard some ppl say on the fly is not reliable and others saying it is, would a good set up make burning on the fly reliable or is it just a bit dodgy?

[Cobra]

What it means is that both the drives are on the same cable. Ideally, you would have them on different cables but in reality I have found it makes very little difference, certainly none that I have noticed.

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This is the inside of my machine (click the image for a high-res picture). You can see the yellow IDE cable going up and serving both my DVD-ROM and DVD-RW drives. I also run both my hard drives in this configuration.

Ignore Nero. You'll be just fine.

Cobra

[mats.hogberg]

Nothing can be done "on the fly" that can't be made more safely "in steps" IMHO. Cosidering how much can go wrong when burning stuff, there's no need to add one more potentially risky parameter in the calculation.
In this case, a "bus" is a "cable". Obviusly, you can't have both reader and writer on the same IDE cable. Try moving your HDDs and DVD reader/writer around in the case so you can put them on separate buses.

/Mats

[Jayhawk]

zak_swan, I tend to agree with mats.hogberg . Some people on these forums don't have any problems with "on the fly" recording (and you might be OK too) but a lot do. There are a lot of variables like the read / write speed of your opticals and their respective buffer sizes, the PIO mode (or DMA) settings, memory size / speed (everything goes through memory), and of course the software used. There are more.

Try it out (as Cobra) suggests). Nero's warning is that you might have problems, or not. If you do, then moving the devices around or buying longer IDE cables are both inexpensive options. Going to the hard drive first is the one most people choose. If you do move your device / channel alignment don't forget to change your master / slave settings if that's required.

[zak_swan]

thanks for quick responses.
i tried burning after ignoring nero warnings and the burn process failed about half way through.
i've looked inside my pc and can't see any way of putting dvd writer and rom on different ribbon without buying a new longer one.
it's not a big deal if i cant burn on the fly it's just another one of my little experiments

[Cobra]

Is the CD/DVD-RW drive set to "MASTER" and the other drive set to "SLAVE"? The most data-intensive drive must always be the master.

You'll see the jumpers to the rear left of your drive.

Cobra

[zak_swan]

the writer was set to slave and dvd rom set to master. i changed them around tried burning on the fly with nero again and it failed again.
the buffer level of the dvd writer was up and down like a whore's knickers.
back to the drawing board

[zak_swan]

would different burning app maybe give better results?
why can some ppl burn on the fly and others cant?

[crazyhorse]

Make sure that the discs that you are trying to copy from are PERFECT, no marks/scratches and run it through info pro or simular to VERIFY that it is ok. Also if you mix hard drives and burners/roms on the same bus you WILL slow the hard drive down to ATA 33, hard drives run at ATA 100/133/150

[Jayhawk]

Also if you mix hard drives and burners/roms on the same bus you WILL slow the hard drive down to ATA 33, hard drives run at ATA 100/133/150

No longer true with the newer chipsets crazyhorse. All modern chipsets now support independent device timings on a single channel. A UDMA-4 device will receive UDMA-4 speed data transfers even on a bus with PIO mode devices.

[Hardcoreruss]

If you aske me no matter how beastly the pc, I would and always will burn to the hard drive first.

[glockjs]

are you positive one of the jumpers isnt set to cable? i would double check even triple check your jumper settings

[zak_swan]

just checking through old posts.
i've only got 3 jumper settings on MB: keyboard, USB wake up and CPU fsb where are the cable ones or am i completley missing the point?

[VCDHunter]

just checking through old posts.
i've only got 3 jumper settings on MB: keyboard, USB wake up and CPU fsb where are the cable ones or am i completley missing the point?

They are on the back of the devices in question (CD ROM) - normally next to the power inputs.

[lordsmurf]

If burner and ROM are not on opposite channels (meaning NOT the same cable), then on-the-fly won't work. Try and argue all you want, it won't work.

Two of mine can do this fine (opposite mobo channels on 1, opposite Ultra ATA channels on other .. old PII also). One cannot (use PRASSI PrimoDVD here, take 10 to rip, 15 to write, still faster than 2x) .. maybe due to one on mobo, one on UltraATA ... even both on ATA won't work

Other two that are fine use NERO 5.5.10.55

[tompika]

I can burn DVD+RW' on-the-fly @2.4x from the same IDE channel without any probs

Doing the same at 4x gives me serious buffer underrun but still get the job done in 17 minutes.


I still prefer DVD Decrypter ISOread - ISOwrite though

[redwudz]

Another alternative that I didn't see mentioned is to get a seperate PCI IDE controller and run one of your devices off of it. If you want to use it for CD/DVD drives, make sure it is compatible with the slower speed of these type of drives, typically 33 or 66 as compared to HD's of 100 or 133. For $30-40US, it's one solution to the limitation of the MB IDE drive bus.

[teegee420]

If you aske me no matter how beastly the pc, I would and always will burn to the hard drive first.

Same here. I don't care how good the burning software supposedly is.

[VCDHunter]

If you aske me no matter how beastly the pc, I would and always will burn to the hard drive first.

Same here. I don't care how good the burning software supposedly is.

faggots :P where's your balls ?

[teegee420]

faggots :P where's your balls ?

Between your lips.

[VCDHunter]

faggots :P where's your balls ?

Between your lips.

explains your fear of on the fly

[teegee420]

faggots :P where's your balls ?

Between your lips.

explains your fear of on the fly

Well done!