HELP FOR THOSE WITH AUDIO PROBLEMS!

[Doramius]

-This is help for those having trouble capturing audio with your Video Capture Card [VCC]
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-The issue is related to virtually every video capture card on the market. It is a VIDEO CAPTURE CARD, and does not capture audio. This is the reason you'll get from every tech guy you speak with, so don't pay money or waste time. The sad part is it's true. An audio capture card is your sound card, which obviously doesn't capture video. They are 2 seperate things.
-Fortunately, this will help you capture video and audio with your computer using a Video Capture Card [VCC] and Sound Card or motherboard's integrated sound [ISC] (my acronym for Integrated/Sound Card)
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-I'm not exactly sure why, but audio and video cannot be recorded together digitally. They are coded separately, though integrated together for the playback process. (part of the reason why some people get audio out of sync). It may be because the actual digital frequencies for audio and video may be identical and would cause some sort of distortion or confusion for the processing unit if they are read together. This is only my theory. This is just technical crap for the diehard A/V junkie. From analog devices (IE: VCR, camcorder, etc.) you have to separate the signals through what is known as 'composite ports'; the RCA Jacks. A digital device with composite ports can be substituted.
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-This process is for linking one analog device to your VCC & ISC. Here is what you'll need and are pretty cheap & can be found at most stores (IE: BestBuy, Wal-Mart, Target, CompUSA, Circuit City, etc.)
*RCA Stereo Audio cable
*RCA Video cable
*RCA to Stereo HeadPhone Jack cable
*2 RCA Y-Jacks (2-female to 1-Male)
*Audio Ground Loop Filter [GLF] (not required)
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-Lets first begin with the analog device. Connect the video RCA cord (usually yellow) directly to the analog device. Connect the other end to the video input of your VCC video port or cable.
-If using a GLF, connect it to the corresponding audio output ports on the analog device. Right (usually red) to Right, Left (usually White) to left
-Connect a Y-Jack to the Right audio output and the other Y-Jack to the Left audio output of the GLF. If not using a GLF, connect to the corresponding ports on the analog device.
-Connect on end of the RCA Stereo cable to the Y-Jacks. Each Y-Jack should now have one female side not connected.
-Connect the other end of the RCA Stereo cable to the VCC audio ports or cable.
-Using the RCA to HeadPhone Jack cable, connect the RCA jacks to the remaining unconnected Y-Jack ports.
-Plug the HeadPhone Jack into your ISC 'LINE IN' port.
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IMPORTANT
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In your Vomlume Controls, only 4 items should not be muted when recording: Master Volume; LINE IN; WAV; and the device your video card is connected to (IE: AUX, CD-IN, etc.; whichever the video card is connected) All others MUST be muted.

[FOO]

I'm not exactly sure why, but audio and video cannot be recorded together digitally

I would recommend you avoid posting help information
until you have some.

[Doramius]

Your reply doesn't really make sense. If you're wondering about the digital signals, from what I have gathered, the audio and video may run on similar frequencies. If this is true then they cannot be recorded together. Audio may record as a 1 while video records at a 0, which eventually be a 1 recorded and cause distortion. They would essentially have to be coded seperately and then put together on playback. If there is a delay on one signal being uncoded or interpreted, it may cause the out of sync sound to normal video or choppy video to normal sound. If this is the case, it is usually due to the Processor or RAM being too low.

[FOO]

You are full of that which makes vegetables grow

MY reply doesn't make sense !!!!!!

[pippas]

FOO - You've got to admire the confidence of the 'vegetable growing material' advice-

Lets hope that Doramius learns a bit more before he inflicts any real damage

[Tommyknocker]

And the sharks smell blood in the water...

[indolikaa]

"Yeah, I'd like the Indolikaa Special please. And can I get some extra hate and discontent with that side order of dripping sarcasm?"

[bottle-necked]

I'm not exactly sure why, but audio and video cannot be recorded together digitally

I would recommend you avoid posting help information
until you have some.

LMAO

[mastersmurfie]

I'm not exactly sure why, but audio and video cannot be recorded together digitally.

I'm confused here...

Taken directly from the Glossary on this site:

MPEG-2
An encoding standard designed as an extension of the MPEG-1 international standard for digital compression of audio and video signals. MPEG-1 was designed to code progressively scanned video at bit rates up to about 1.5 Mbit/s for applications such as CD-i. MPEG-2 is directed at broadcast formats at higher data rates; it provides increased support for efficiently coding interlaced video, supports a wide range of bit rates and provides for multichannel surround sound coding such as PCM, Dolby Digital, DTS and MPEG audio.

Does this mean that when I capture MPEG-2 with my AIW, something is wrong? I do NOT input my source device directly to my sound card-it has always been connected straight to the ?[VCC]?. Also, my capture card software (MMC) has options for "configure video and audio stream properties and MPEG type". Am I doing something wrong here too?

just a thought

mastersmurfie

[Doramius]

You are probably watching TV or are passing signals through your composite audio video cables. The sound passes through to your ISC if your audio out on the VCC is directly connected to it. One signal passes through to your sound card, the other signal is interpreted and played on your computer for video capture.
-Some softwares on the market require the signals be separate unlike analog where the signals a frequencied together (carrier wave) and are separated at the receiver, like a standard television. If they are not coded seperately, on of the signals may just be dropped (IE: No Sound or No Video) or they create an odd static screen, etc.
-The setup above separates the audio coming straight out of the original source and bypasses the card itself. Some of the newer cards come with all the necessary cables that do this already and show it in their instructions. Some people aren't so lucky and have the refurbished units that don't have all of the cables. Doesn't matter wether it's an ATI, ASUS, or Geforce, the principle works the same for all. THey are only Video Capture cards.

[FulciLives]

FOO said it best

This is total crap!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
Next someone will say that you can't actually burn a cake pack of DVD-R discs in a microwave.

[SatStorm]

I like to personally thank Doramius for his effort!

Now, let's all STFU before someone fart around (again!)

[FulciLives]

I love how we have all moved past the phase of let's be open minded to the newbies.

We just all go for the throat now

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[SatStorm]

I don't feel that he is a newbie. A newcomer yes, but defenetaly, no newbie

[Doramius]

For those of you out there who think it's junk, when did you try it and what were your results? If you haven't tried it or you don't need to, you shouldn't be in forums for computer help. Your middle school psycologist is who you need to talk to. When you're older, you'll realize that people who've been around longer than the 9V LED Display calculator know a little more than you.

[indolikaa]

For those of you out there who think it's junk, when did you try it and what were your results? If you haven't tried it or you don't need to, you shouldn't be in forums for computer help. Your middle school psycologist is who you need to talk to. When you're older, you'll realize that people who've been around longer than the 9V LED Display calculator know a little more than you.

For the record, your method DIDN'T work with my MSI K7T Turbo2 motherboard and ATI AIW 9000 Pro AGP/VIVO card. It failed to stay within the audio clocksynch parameters established by MMC 8.1; I wouldn't think ±0.2% is too much to ask, but the onboard controller felt differently about the matter.

[Doramius]

Make sure you have more than 512MB RAM and that your processor is not bogged down by other tasks. If you're trying to play solitaire while trying to record AVI, shut solitaire down, or stop recording. Any other programs or anything that can slightly bogg down your CPU should be shut down. Also by running audio through your LINE IN directly keeps it from bleeding through or system devices and keeps it filtered. If it's still not working for you, then you may either have missing updates or other issues.

[bottle-necked]

_________________
Some say the glass is 'half full'; others say it's 'half empty'.

I'd haft to say 1/2 full. That makes me a pecimest, right? Or am I being optimistic?

[pippas]

This is total crap!



P.S.
Next someone will say that you can't actually burn a cake pack of DVD-R discs in a microwave.

It should work OK, but the microwave 'beep' might be out of sync

[FOO]

keeps it from bleeding through or system devices and keeps it filtered

What the hell are you talking about ? Do you have a clue at all ?

[FulciLives]

keeps it from bleeding through or system devices and keeps it filtered

What the hell are you talking about ? Do you have a clue at all ?

GO FOO GO

[indolikaa]

Make sure you have more than 512MB RAM and that your processor is not bogged down by other tasks. If you're trying to play solitaire while trying to record AVI, shut solitaire down, or stop recording. Any other programs or anything that can slightly bogg down your CPU should be shut down. Also by running audio through your LINE IN directly keeps it from bleeding through or system devices and keeps it filtered. If it's still not working for you, then you may either have missing updates or other issues.

Bollocks!

I multitask with my Athlon 1200 while capturing and encoding video in realtime with my AIW 9000. And sometimes I get frisky and drop the memory down to 256MB. Guess what? I still don't have problems!

You need to be a little more 'technical' in your description. Concepts like 'bleeding through or system devices and keeps it filtered' are confusing and vague. Words like 'crosstalk' make a lot more sense.

[pippas]

FOO says - 'vegetable growing material'

FulciLives says - 'total crap'

Indolikaa says - 'bollocks'

I like 'bollocks' best -- seems to sum it up more directly

[Doramius]

Now you all have lost sight of the topic. First off, If I had a computer running a 1200 athalon and 256MB RAM with a 9000 AIW, I'd be spending my money in all the wrong places and shouldn't even attemp to record anything to DVDR and should keep the VCR. I have 4 different computer and they all run higher than 2.2GHz with the lowest RAM is PC2100 at 512MB. I too have never had a problem with my systems, HOWEVER, it is ALWAYS recommended by the manufacturers of the software to shut down other programs to limit RAM & CPU usage. This helps in a load of ways. You also may have a different configuration on your system than other people do. This may definitely create different outcomes between 2 people. This is just a help guide for those having problems with their audio using their Video Capture Card. If you are not having a problem, this is not the place for you. If you are having a problem, try the method and see if it works for you. If it doesn't, post what your findings are and what you did to make your system work and end it there. This is not your Instant Messaging system. Relate to the main topic or go play your video games. We're not trying to make illegal copies. We're just backing up VHS, because they may not sell the VHS version on retail DVD, or it doesn't really exist in the retail market at all where you live.
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My suggestion to those who can't follow simple instruction should lay off the caffine so you can focus.
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quick typing errors

keeps it from bleeding through or system devices and keeps it filtered

Should be: "KEEPS IT FROM BLEEDING THROUGH OTHER SYSTEM DEVICES AND HELPS KEEP IT FILTERED[from distortion]"

[MOVIEGEEK]

I tried your guide and now my solitaire game is out of synch.

[winifreid]

Dora, what are you writing about?? Did you just describe how to connect a vcr to a computer? If so, it was the most convoluted explanation I have ever read. Or were you describing some special, secret method that you discovered. If this is the case, what is it. From what you have written I can't determine if it is any different from what everyone does. We all connect the audio source to our sound card. What is the other option. If what you are talking about is “by-passing” the pass through on AIW cards, then, yes, you are boll Ackers. There is no difference; a pass through is just that - a pass though.

[indolikaa]

Now you all have lost sight of the topic. First off, If I had a computer running a 1200 athalon and 256MB RAM with a 9000 AIW, I'd be spending my money in all the wrong places and shouldn't even attemp to record anything to DVDR and should keep the VCR.

I have been making DVDs and CDs with these Athlon 1200 systems since long before you ever showed up here. You are far from being in a position to judge my spending decisions in any objective manner.

If you think an Athlon 1200 coupled with an ATI AIW 9000 Pro is a roadblock to transferring VHS to DVD, then you've demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that you don't have a ******* clue what you're talking about, Doramius. There are members here who use Pentium III computers to produce digital video. What say you about them?

If you are not having a problem, this is not the place for you.

I have a problem with 'experts' posting information that is confusing, inaccurate, and likely to cause 'newbies' more problems than they are already experiencing.

This is not your Instant Messaging system. Relate to the main topic or go play your video games.

Oh, so now you're a moderator, too? I'm supposed to just take orders from you because you have 15 posts to your name?

I've donated my fair share around here. I have every right to post what I think is appropriate for a given thread. If I'm out of line, a moderator will correct the problem. And you are not a moderator. So if you don't like the things I post, report the thread. Otherwise, piss off.

We're not trying to make illegal copies. We're just backing up VHS, because they may not sell the VHS version on retail DVD, or it doesn't really exist in the retail market at all where you live.

Who is this 'we' you are speaking of? The last time I checked, my sole purpose here was to entertain people.

And who said anything about illegal activities?

My suggestion to those who can't follow simple instruction should lay off the caffine so you can focus.

quick typing errors

keeps it from bleeding through or system devices and keeps it filtered

Should be: "KEEPS IT FROM BLEEDING THROUGH OTHER SYSTEM DEVICES AND HELPS KEEP IT FILTERED[from distortion]"

Maybe you should lay off the caffeine and spend more time with your dictionary and thesaurus. Or learn how to type better. Either way, your original post, as winifried pointed out, was very difficult to understand and conceptualize.


What else?

[SatStorm]

Where is my lighter?

I have to see what's smelling like a fart!

[indolikaa]

Where is my lighter?

I have to see what's smelling like a fart!

No kidding.

To suggest I'm not up to par because I have an Athlon 1200 is just plain offensive to me. I'm glad I didn't mention I still type letters on an Apple IIc. Good Lord, I'd have been crucified!

[SatStorm]

One of my PCs is based on a duron 1200 with 128MB Ram. I still convert many things there.
And in my office, I have a Pentium 3 @ 500. Occasionally, I grabb DVB transmissions with it and convert them to CVD (with cce / avisynth, using TMPGenc with that machine is practicly impossible....)

And I still use my ZX Spectrum 128K to play games !