Adobe Premiere

[Zetti]

Hi Zetti,

Install PluginPac FrameServer - I use it with Premiere 6.0, so should be OK with Pro.

When exporting timeline as a movie, choose pluginpac rather than "DV AVI" etc. Then, use the file saved in Premiere as the file for TMPGEnc etc.

THANKS SO MUCH Daamon !!!

I'll give a try !

Zetti

[Zetti]

With Procoder there is no need to frameserve, it works perfectly with it that extra step.

Jeff

Well, sorry Jeff, but I don't understand......

Do you mean that it's necessary to create the actual DV file to input at Procoder ?

Isn't there a plug-in to Premiere Pro that should frameserve to Procoder ?

This would be an undesirable extra step....

Zetti

[Josef K]

If I can get hold of those DV codecs, do you know how I can get Premiere to use either of those over the Mainconcept one it comes with? I'd like to avoid uninstalling it if I can...

VCSwap might be worth a shot, though I don't see the MS-DV codec listed when I run it on my system, only the Panasonic one. You may have better luck - it's worth a try...

[hiptune]

With Procoder there is no need to frameserve, it works perfectly with it that extra step.

Jeff

Well, sorry Jeff, but I don't understand......

Do you mean that it's necessary to create the actual DV file to input at Procoder ?

Isn't there a plug-in to Premiere Pro that should frameserve to Procoder ?

This would be an undesirable extra step....

Zetti

Sorry about that Zetti, a typo on my part.

Procoder needs no extra step of framserving, that was my point. The avi's that come out of Premiere Pro need not be frameserved to Procoder, which is not the case with Tmpgenc.

For tmpgenc you need to frame serve avi, or it will not accept it.

lots of talk here on the subject, but nobody has explained why this is. I just simply use Procoder for my avis that are from Adobe, and use tmpgenc for other edited avi's when I use Studio 8 which has some amazing quality editing features, and weak encoding. And I don't read too many comments that Mainconcept (adobe) is that great either. So I stick to Procoder and tmpgenc for encoding. And I get professional results with the right settings.

Jeff

[daamon]

THANKS SO MUCH Daamon !!!

I'll give a try !

Zetti

No problem. I had it recommended to me only recently and found it really easy to use.

VCSwap might be worth a shot, though I don't see the MS-DV codec listed when I run it on my system, only the Panasonic one. You may have better luck - it's worth a try...

Thanks. I'll check it out.

Daamon, have you changed the topic here with these posts? Should be in encoding, not authoring.

No, only mods or Baldrick can do that - the original post was in the "DVD Authoring" forum (now moved). Good spot - If you mention it in the "Please report problem posts / threads / members here!" sticky in the "Feedback" forum, the mods will correct it. You're taken there if you click "Report this post".

Let's move on now unless you have some real solutions to add rather than asking what the problems are, what the errors given are, etc. and then offering up no answers other than to frameserve.

Hold on - you gave sparse information, originally only asking "But why does ProCoder handle Adobe Premiere avi's but Tmpgenc does not? Is this a codec issue, or some other issue(s)". Quite a sweeping general question, and against a lot of people's experiences (especially as you don't quote version numbers to clarify Premiere 6.0 / 6.5 / Pro).

For people to be able to help you, you have to give them something to go on. If you don't, and if they want to help, they're gonna have to ask questions. I don't think mine were unreasonable given the lack of info you provided. Granted, in the end I couldn't help, but has it not occurred to you that, by dragging info out of you, someone else might have been able to help? If nothing else, the topic goes back to the top of the pile on the home page, and someone might pick it up because of it.

Before you start criticising others, I suggest you look at the causes of your dissatisfaction and consider that you might be one of them. Communication is a 2-way exercise, so is poor communication. If you're a poor communicator, you'll get poor responses.

...then offering up no answers other than to frameserve.

I suggest you re-read the thread. At no time have I said that frameserving is the answer. IMO, I believe that frameserving has benefits that apply to me and to a lot of thers, but it's not the solution to your problem (the one you vaguely stated, not the one that's transpired). Frameserving is a matter of personal preference. It's not a "must do" step in the process.

For tmpgenc you need to frame serve avi, or it will not accept it.

Another wonderful general sweeping statement. If you're gonna make these, please support with versions of source program, what type of AVI (DV, Microsoft DV, DIvx, Xvid?), versions of TMPGEnc etc. As it stands, you're comment is neither right nor wrong - but definitely misleading. By trying to help Zetti here, you're just giving him incomplete info that will mislead.

lots of talk here on the subject, but nobody has explained why this is.

Are you surprised? Have you provided details of your TMPGEnc setup? Have you used AVICodec (as suggested) to give details of your AVI / codecs? As I've said before, I save to DV AVI from Premiere 6.0 and TMPGEnc accepts that just fine - and it does for a lot of other people too.

So, I'm sorry to say, but it might be your setup and attitude that's not correct. Now, I would ask some more questions to get some more info so that I, or others, can try to help - but as you don't think that's a worthy approach I shan't.

All that said, it seems you have a process you're happy with - I'm happy for you.

@ houseng - My apologies for the above in your thread. I felt compelled to defend myself having tried to help someone and had resentment and a lame attempt at sarcasm in return.

Where do you stand with your problem?

[daamon]

Hello.. can anyone help me? i recorded some movies with my camcorder...after i edit, i wanna convert them to MPEG2 using TMPGenc, so what output file should i output from adobe premiere?

i tried to output my edited videos to AVI full frames (no compression), but the mpeg2 encoded from the uncompressed AVI makes me dizzy.

can anyone give tips?

It occurred to me, having re-read the thread, that the above still appears to remain unanswered for you. Rather than having you trawl through the thread, I'll summarise my thoughts:

1. I used to save as DV AVI in Premiere 6.0 and TMPGEnc Plus v2.52 took this perfectly OK.
2. I then looked into frameserving (as, for me, there were benefits in disk space and time saved). I eventually went for the PluginPac FrameServer.
Once installed, when exporting the timeline as a movie, choose pluginpac rather than "DV AVI" etc. Then, use the file saved in Premiere as the file for TMPGEnc etc.

Frameserving also bypasses the need to save as a particular AVI format. That said, I'm not sure if it bypasses the use of a codec - I suspect it will, but don't know for sure.

Can you explain what you mean by "making you dizzy"? I've seen this type of term before and people were referring to horizontal lines when there's left or right movement - looks like a comb effect? This is interlacing effects.

When encoding DV AVI with TMPGEnc, you need to set it to "Bottom field first (field B)" on the "Advanced" tab in the settings.

That said, interlacing effects seen on a monitor may not appear in the finished article when viewed on a TV - this is due to the fact that monitors display the picture using what's called "progressive scan", whereas TVs display using "interlaced scan".

So, I'd suggest to go ahed and author to a DVD rewriteable to check it out on your TV. That way, you can erase if it's still making you dizzy.

Hope that helps.

[Zetti]

And I get professional results with the right settings.

Jeff

Jeff, please, what EXACTLY version of Procoder do you use ?

Thanks,

Zetti

[hiptune]

ProCoder 1.5 is what I use.

Jeff

[daamon]

@ hiptune - I've just been reading another thread, and it struck me that this might be what you're experiencing. Of course, it may not - but I'd thought I'd post it in case it's of any use...

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=220182

A quote from the above thread: "...the conversion just shows a black screen, like no video is being encoded or something..."