704x576 DVB MPEG2 not valid for DVD

[mmpentel]

Some of the DVB captures I make with my Hauppauge NOVA-T PCI card are 704x576 PAL 16:9 and when I burn them to DVD I get sound but no picture on my standalone player, a Pioneer DV-545. I have tried several packages to burn the DVDs, all with the same effect. When the DVB broadcast is in 720x576 (16:9 or 4:3), or 704x576 4:3 the authored DVDs are fine. I have read that 704x576 16:9 (Cropped D1) is not a valid DVD format. I have tried converting to 4:3 using "AVestensione" but this also didn't solve the problem. BTW I also use "PVAstrumento" to correct any problems with the files, but most of the time they burn OK whether I use it or not. BTW2 The files play OK on the PC.

Does anyone know how to "change" the files before burning such that they are a valid DVD file without re-encoding ?
Has anyone else experienced this problem ?

I know I can re-encode to 720x576, and this does work, but it defeats the object a bit.

PS
DVB forum is a good idea (although doom9 have partly beat you to it !)


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[Gazorgan]

You are correct!

PAL

Video:
Up to 9.8 Mbit/sec MPEG2 or up to 1.856 MBit/sec MPEG1 video
720 x 576 pixels MPEG2 (Called Full-D1)
704 x 576 pixels MPEG2
352 x 576 pixels MPEG2 (Called Half-D1, same as the CVD Standard)
352 x 288 pixels MPEG2
352 x 288 pixels MPEG1 (Same as the VCD Standard)
25 fps (frames/second)
16:9 Anamorphic (only supported by 720x576)

Audio:
48000 Hz
32 - 1536 kbit/sec
Up to 8 audio tracks containing Dolby Digital, DTS, PCM(uncompressed audio), MPEG-1 Layer2. One audio track must have MPEG-1, DD or PCM Audio.

It's not valid. I went through the same thing with 16:9 1/2D1 encodes.

You want to Author with something that will let you ignore the flag. I'm sure your player will play it with no issues. TAD let's me do some non-standard Authoring, but not as much as I would like.

[SatStorm]

I also discovered this "late"
16:9 is standard for DVD ONLY if you use full D1 (not even cropped!)

TMPGEnc DVD author can author any kind of DVB files from my experience, IF they follow a DVD valid framesize (720/704/352 x 576/288). It doesn't care for GOP or bitrate (I have transmissions up to 15000 and I can author them with TMPGenc author).
Of course the well know picky standalones won't play those "x"DVDs. But in Europe, almost all the cheap ones, won't even notice it.

I have plenty 1/2 16:9 xDVDs from DVB transmissions. Playable on most standalones I tried (and ALL the new ones, made after 2003).

[mmpentel]

Thanks for the advice on standalones. I have successfully authored using TMPGEnc DVD author, but I get sound and no picture on my standalone. I'll try it on another one, mine is late 2001 vintage. This may be the problem.

Is there any way to easily make the MPEG2 file 4:3 and try to get around the problem ?
AVestensione didn't work.
Actually I've had another look and will try DVD Patcher.

[SatStorm]

DVD patcher won't help in your case...
Unfortunatelly, you need to re encode your source to 720 x 576
OR you can letterbox it to any other DVD legal framesize (you loose picture detail that way)

OR, you can visit your nearest store, and buy a new made in China DVD standalone player with a cost less than 60 euros.

Those new cyberhomes rocks IMHO!

[pyscrow]

I think your player is the problem, a lot of our SD tv in australia is in this format, 704 x 576,and I "time shift it" by capturing, demuxing, and then burning to DVDrw and playing later with no problems at all.