Kill Bill 1 - missing subtitle puzzle

[v-sharp]

DVDShrink 3.1.7, Re-author - Main movie, Compression Settings - English audio and subpictures

Has anybody solved the puzzle of missing english subtitle of O-Ren's and Hattori's japanese dialogues in their movie scenes?

If they are not integral part of the main movie where are they coming from?

How to have them included or activated in back-up of main movie only?

[Scottie]

I would like to know I had the same troubles, also had that trouble with The Missing

[spank_me]

I just had to turn the subtitles on with the button on my DVD player remote.

[DTSL06]

I just had to turn the subtitles on with the button on my DVD player remote.

What he said...

[rikk]

All issues with Kill Bill are software related, not with the burning process as long as you leave subtitles in when you rip.

[Denvers Dawgs]

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[Thunder In Paradise]

I've had this sort of glitch before with subtitles not appearing on their own as they do on the master disc. This is usually easily solved by just enabling the subtitles during the movie with your remote. Not a big deal. If your using DVDShrink, which I'm using to copy this movie as I'm typing, all the subtitles in the movie, appear in the analysis. There are no "hidden" subtitles or anything, that's just silly.

[v-sharp]

I've had this sort of glitch before with subtitles not appearing on their own as they do on the master disc. This is usually easily solved by just enabling the subtitles during the movie with your remote. Not a big deal. If your using DVDShrink, which I'm using to copy this movie as I'm typing, all the subtitles in the movie, appear in the analysis. There are no "hidden" subtitles or anything, that's just silly.

To "Re-author" the movie using DVDShrink is to copy only the main movie without the "extras", that will also take away the "menu" in the movie. The DVDShrink "Re-authored" movie, after burn to disc, will run from start to finish, and the only function from the remote that will affect the movie are the "Stop", "Pause", and "Start". Pressing the "menu" button of the remote will show nothing because the "menu" options are eliminated in the DVDShrink "Re-authoring" of the movie.

I have tried playing "only" the VOB file (VTS_01_2.vob) in my pc hard drive that contains the Hattori scenes... the subtitles are not in the scenes. But, when I burned the whole files (Full Disc Copy) into disc, played the movie without even touching the menu option for subtitles and language, and fast forward to the Hattori scenes, the subtitles are there.

What I'm talking about here is DVDShrink "Re-author" not "Full Disc" copy of movie. How can one make the "menu" button function when it is not there (the menu), in the DVDShrink re-authored movie. Now, who's being silly?

[Denvers Dawgs]

Try dvd2one and see if you can then choose the options with your remote....

[budz]

Denver Dawgs wrote:

Try dvd2one and see if you can then choose the options with your remote....

I already suggested that to him to try DVD2ONE in another thread he posted. I just checked my backed up copy of KILL BILL VOL.1 and while Hattori Hanzo is speaking in japanese the english subtitles appear fine. I didn't have to set my dvd player to play subtitles. My back up plays back fine.

To V-sharp:
Rip the movie in FILE MODE using DVD DECRYPTER. Then use DVD2ONE to compress, chose FULL DISK. Then use NERO to burn. If DVD SHRINK isn't working for you then try the above.

[Thunder In Paradise]

Ok, let's break this down using common sense, or atleast, explaining it in english. When I say "menu button" I don't mean the button on your remote that will return you to the main movie menu. "Menu button" means the button that usually brings up a secondary menu while a movie is playing, showing things like the current chapter, title, time already played into the movie/time left to play in the movie, audio channel selected, subtitle selected, etc. This is where you can change the audio/subtitle selections "on the fly" as it where. This is how you can switch between say, DD 5.1 and DTS while the movie is still playing to hear the differences in sound quality. This is also how, say in a foreign film, you can, again, change subtitles while the movie is still playing. Quite simple, isn't it? Now, this will probably differ on everybody's remote since they're all different. To bring up the secondary menu on my system, I press "Top Menu/Direct Navigation", while "Menu" will return me to the main movie menu that gets cut out during normal DVDShrink stripping. This is how you can keep/change audio and subtitle options in a movie that has been stripped and crunched in DVDShrink, even without the stupid normal menu's that are on the disc.
In the case of this movie, just keep all the ENGLISH subtitles, and they'll be on the copy. I had this silly subtitle problem when I did LOTR TTT EE, and they stupidly included the subtitles that appear during the commentary tracks, as part of the DVDShrink subtitle analysis. There were 4 english subtitle tracks I believe, and I picked the wrong ones on the first shot, hence, when someone spoke Elvish, there wasn't the translation, there was only the annoying subtitles at the top of the screen during the whole movie, indicating who on the commentary was speaking, even though I had cut the commentary tracks from the copy.

[v-sharp]

Thanks for using common sense to clarify your previous post. Now I get what you mean and got the movie subtitle. Thanks again.

[garryheather]

If you're using DVD Shrink on the Region 2 version of Kill Bill, you need to right click on the movie and select subpicture 3 as the default.

Easy. What's the fuss about ?

[djelimon]

Hell, I just used ripped to the HD, reauthored with DVDRemake, burned with Nero, it was all good, nothing fancy to do, subtitles and everything. Didn't give it a second thought...

[din4na]

Oke, but if i want still use the original's extra like menus or what, then how can i do this ?

because, when remuxing vobs file with dvdshrink reauthor mode, i can remove japanese subtitel but dvdshrink remove the dvd's extra too !

now i want the extra work with my new vobs file containe english subtitels only, what can i do !??!

[FulciLives]

DVD2ONE handles "forced" subtitles much better than DVDShrink.

By "forced" subtitles I mean the type like in KILL BILL or BULLETPROOF MONK where the English subtitles only come up when needed when there is also a complete English subtitle set.

As for me I backed up KILL BILL using DVD2AVI, AviSynth and CCE doing a 3-pass VBR with a MIN of 2500kbps, an AVG of 5000kbps and a MAX of 8000kbps

I used the 5.1 Dolby Digital audio track and burned the subtitles into the image using VobSub and Avisynth (also resized from 16x9 WS to 4:3 WS since I only have a 4:3 TV).

Perfect subs ... perfect image with no compression artifacts etc.

Although if you want easy then DVD2ONE is the way to go with this movie.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[bmurf75]

I had a "no subtitle" issue too when I burned Kill Bill vol.1 using DVD Shrink. At least I thought I did. I was first watched it on my PS2. No Subtitles. Half way through, I enabled SubTitles English 1. There they were. I then tried it on my home DVD player. The subtitles were just there. Didn't have to change anything. So, I think it depends on the DVD player that you are using. PS2, I had to enable Subtitles. RCA DVD Player, Subtitles there by default. Same Disc.

[MeTaLgEaRsOoTy]

on the home dvd release of "kill bill",there are no forced subtitles.
if you want subs,enable them in setup on the dvd player,or just select "english "subs from the button on the remote.
"forced subtitles" are part of the video,integrated,and unremovable by ripping the discs.
but in agreement,on the Euro REGION 2 release of kill bill,there are 3 sets of english subtitles available.

[ddlooping]

Hi all.

...but in agreement,on the Euro REGION 2 release of kill bill,there are 3 sets of english subtitles available.

And the 3rd one is the one to pick.

When re-authoring, simply right-click on the title to have access to a menu.
This will enable you to choose for the subpictures to appear automatically. 8)

[FulciLives]

on the home dvd release of "kill bill",there are no forced subtitles.
if you want subs,enable them in setup on the dvd player,or just select "english "subs from the button on the remote.
"forced subtitles" are part of the video,integrated,and unremovable by ripping the discs.
but in agreement,on the Euro REGION 2 release of kill bill,there are 3 sets of english subtitles available.

My defination of "forced subtitles" which I believe is correct is when you have a COMPLETE subtitle track but only parts of it are needed for non-English speaking scenes ... so unless the user picks English subtitles the subtitles will appear only when needed ... if the user selects English subtitles then they appear from start to finish throughout the movie.

So "forced subs" are those that only pop-up when needed for non-English portions of the soundtrack.

Of course this is geared towards English being the primary language in question but you get the point.

Many DVD discs have this such as KILL BILL, BULLETPROOF MONK, DEEP RED (aka PROFONDO ROSSO), VIOLENT CITY etc.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[din4na]

Oke, but if i want still use the original's extra like menus or what, then how can i do this ?

because, when remuxing vobs file with dvdshrink reauthor mode, i can remove japanese subtitel but dvdshrink remove the dvd's extra too !

now i want the extra work with my new vobs file containe english subtitels only, what can i do !??!

Somebody answer me please !

[FulciLives]

Oke, but if i want still use the original's extra like menus or what, then how can i do this ?

because, when remuxing vobs file with dvdshrink reauthor mode, i can remove japanese subtitel but dvdshrink remove the dvd's extra too !

now i want the extra work with my new vobs file containe english subtitels only, what can i do !??!

Somebody answer me please !

What exactly are you trying to cut out of your back-up copy? Are you just doing the movie with sound and English subs? If so then you can't have JUST that AND the menu ... at least not with DVDShrink.

I haven't tried it myself but there is a program that can do that ... it's called DVDStripper

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[din4na]

Yes, all i want here i i want to reauthor mydvd the movie and keep the sound, not the subtitel, after added some more subtitel in the movie, i author them again to burn, but i still want to use old original's menus because i dont want to use some author program like dvd-lab to make new menus for the film.
How can i do this ?

[FulciLives]

Yes, all i want here i i want to reauthor mydvd the movie and keep the sound, not the subtitel, after added some more subtitel in the movie, i author them again to burn, but i still want to use old original's menus because i dont want to use some author program like dvd-lab to make new menus for the film.
How can i do this ?

You are insane.

Can't be done.

At least not unless you REALLY know what you are doing.

So forget about keeping the menus.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Jon130]

Had this happen with Traffic too. Nothing like sitting down to watch a movie and realizing you're not going to be able to understand half of the movie unless you get edumacated in spanish or japanese. The problem sucks, but I feel better that I'm not suffering alone. Is that wrong?

[budz]

this thread is getting boring. use DVD DECRYPTER to rip to FILE MODE. Then use DVD2ONE to compress then NERO to burn.

use DVD DECRYPTER to rip to FILE MODE. Then use DVD2ONE to compress then NERO to burn.

use DVD DECRYPTER to rip to FILE MODE. Then use DVD2ONE to compress then NERO to burn.

use DVD DECRYPTER to rip to FILE MODE. Then use DVD2ONE to compress then NERO to burn.

[Denvers Dawgs]

use DVD DECRYPTER to rip to FILE MODE. Then use DVD2ONE to compress then NERO to burn.

use what works for you....

[chas0039]

At the risk of delaying the end of a thread long overdue I need to add one additional comment. I too missed the subtitles, and no, they were not enableable through the dvd reomte. Where a clearer answer might have helped some of these people has to do with the various methods of burning where you want the movie only and not all the extras. This is the difference between some significant compression and none at all. I, for one, would have liked to be able to add just the missing subtitles without having to add all the other extras. Enough said.

[ddlooping]

chas0039, why don't you simply do a movie-only backup?

[chas0039]

chas0039, why don't you simply do a movie-only backup?

I did and lost the subs. (DVDdecrypter and CLONEDVD2). I know there are ways to do a better job with shrink and I will probably try that if I really am interested.