Sony pushes paper Blu-ray disc

[Roderz]

Blue-Ray-Paper-disc , I got one here.....

[Rookie64]

As for the magazines I always like MAD magazine ... CRACK'ED always felt like it was a rip-off except I would sometimes buy it because they did have a tendacy to do goofs on monsters like dracula and frankenstein etc. so being a horror movie fan I bought those issues sometimes.

But yeah MAD was pretty darn good and as far as I know it is still around though I haven't bought one in ages.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

I bought the Totally Mad CD-Rom set a while back - it has every issue from 1952 thru 1998 on it.

Very cool and has some other neat stuff - also came with a roll of toilet paper

You can zoom in on any page and print out anything on there.
I got it for around $20 but see it priced higher now.

http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-glance/Y01X1886458X1077645/103-6961251-1052634

http://www.dccomics.com/mad/totallymad/


They were always doing parodies of movies and TV shows - that was always the attraction for me.

[satviewer2000]

Ok you guys, laugh if you want, but some of the more experienced members will realize that paper records have been known to survive for THOUSANDS of years.

The lifetime of a CDR is currently rated at around 30 years (probably much shorter for RW disks). I doubt that a DVD will last that much longer, and even if it lasted 10 times as long as a CDR, it still will not approach the lifetime of paper records.

[pcexpress-guy]

Well here is a "more experienced member" saying that an paper disk has flaws. Optical technology is very curious & fragile concept. Paper may not be as susceptible to scratch type failures as much as current plastic dvd covered disks, but new type of failures for it will be no doubt be introduced, or at the least something to engr around. (Tort, compression, termite, media film slippage, and others) of course we don't know everything about this media and I remain open to seriously consider it when the time comes... but the expectations about this concept are questionable at the moment. Further the life of current disks has been stated in so many different ranges that it is hard to say what truly the life span is of a disk. Environmental conditions both direct & indirect over years will play a significant role in the life of any one disk. (& of course people throwing disks in a microwave have been known to greatly shorten life span as well.) But lets assume it is the low 30 year tops range.

This doesn’t matter as the lifespan issue really begs the question as to the relevance to it. 10 years from now, much less 30 or 50, or 100 years from now, there will be media technologies which will far surpass our view at the moment. Technology itself will be seamlessly embedded around us.

This is not a huge prediction, it is one just based on the last several decades of technology changes. (Remember when a few "K" was running a computer? I can run the original Pac-man on an windows emulator (in a background process mind you) that takes up less then 11k. It runs great! The game was a huge one (in ROM size) for its time back then. The plus version of the game ran at 3.072 mhz on a z80 processor. Not exactly much to write home about for today's standard. My pcs phone can do more flips then this thing. Anyway…

Three decades ago, university professors were using these huge (12-15in?) floppy disks. Things, remember that? 5.25in floppy disks were top of the line, state of the art. (My first external storage device (hard drives were not yet popular) was a 5.25in drive & cost almost $700 buckos, came in a big ass box, and had to be special ordered. It was slow & loud and it was great. My modem was an analog 300 baud rate device very fast for the day, and hosted a chat sessions with the public. The modem’s size was big & dropped connections all the time.... But in late 1970's this was the world of information technology... reserved for true geeks, and university students, all others thought you were a freak if you were into the stuff.

But here is the point for the story… For fun, I kept many of my old media around... just recently I pitched it out because I couldn’t justify any reason to keep it... but one thing is for sure, I never, never looked back from recent history (less then 30 years ago) and say, you know, I wonder if this crap floppy drive still works or I need to get this important file from this wordstar floppy. Let me check my big floppy master boot disk and read some files. Remember when porn was a series of ASCI characters? *be amazed at what the university big room computers did even back then*

The truth is we probably will not be using media types which are conceived today. Anything we use today will not be used as an achieve method 20-30 years down the road, if not less. Not many of us will be running to find our 30 year old dvd’s to recover data from. What will be used 30 years from now will be so unlike what we are using right now that this era will look like the “digital” stone ages. Storage & information technologies will be so integrated in our lifestyles that talking about most of the specs with-in it, will be approximately like talking to your friends about the filter size on your central air condition system.

GB will be a small unit of storage... TeraByte (TB) or perhaps even PetaByte (PB) will most likely be the standard unit accessible by the average user. The means in which he accesses the data cannot be known at present. What can be known is that the growth & demand will continue beyond what most can see right now and that any media thought of today will most likely not reach this 100, 50 or even 30year mark.

In my opinion, it is not the time that the media can survive but rather will the media serve a purpose in a market with other competition technologies today long enough for it to stand around a few years. Just like the zip drive served a purpose for the masses before dvd burners & flash drives became abundant, so must replacement media technologies. Whether this is paper DVD technology or embedded smart chips in toilet paper, will just have to wait for the bus to get there.

In the mean time, you can enjoy the ride.

I have my doubts, but I remain open about paper disks.

(If all else fails, I can always just treat my house and my paper disks in one clean sweep.)

[pcexpress-guy]

... paper records have been known to survive for THOUSANDS of years.

I have the orginal crusade war songs on paper disk. Sounds like the day it was recorded.


I also have the greatest top-10 hits of the various religious & political leaders of the day as well as Peter the Great's number one hit... "I come in peace."

But paper records is not paper optics, yes?

:P

[BJ_M]

paper records have been known to survive for THOUSANDS of years

NOT !


if you are talking dead sea scrolls - they are not printed on paper ..

but first paper was made of linen anyway (in china) - wood based paper is to acidic to last very long at all -- its untill just recently that acid stablized wood based paper was invented (sometimes call archive or museum)..

China may already have paper in real terms during the Western Han Dynasty (206
B.C--A.D.24), experts said after the recent discovery of a batch of ancient paper
pieces from the Xuanquanzhi ruins of Dunhuang in China's northwest Gansu province.

Latest Discovery Challenges China's Long-term Paper-making Theory
China may already have paper in real terms during the Western Han Dynasty (206
B.C--A.D.24), experts said after the recent discovery of a batch of ancient paper
pieces from the Xuanquanzhi ruins of Dunhuang in China's northwest Gansu province.

The newly unearthed paper is expected to be of the earliest paper found in the
world by now and may push China's paper-making history back to the Western Han
Dynasty (206 B.C--A.D.24), about a century earlier than the widely acknowledged time
of the Eastern Han Dynasty (A.D25--A.D.220).

Some 200 pieces of book fragments and linen paper were found in the ruin, being
the biggest discovery in terms of quantity within China, according to He Shuangquan,
researcher with the archaeological institute of Gansu.

Judging from the unearthed ancient documents and the earth layer in which the
paper pieces were found, they were made during the period lasting from Emperor Wu who
reigned between 140 B.C. and 86 B.C. of the Western Han Dynasty, via the Eastern Han
Dynasty (A.D. 25--A.D. 220) all the way down to the Western Jin Dynasty
(A.D.265--A.D.420).

According to their thickness and colors, these paper can be divided into eight
groups including black thick, black thin, brown thick, white thin, yellow thick and
so on. Mainly made from linen and silk fabrics, these ancient paper pieces are used
for writing on and packing.

This discovery challenged the long-term and widely accepted theory that China's
earliest paper was invented by Cai Lun in 105 A.D., a eunuch who engaged himself in
the study of papermaking during his stay in the imperial palace of Eastern Han
Dynasty.

By PD Online Staff Member Li Heng
People's Daily Online --- http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/

[Capmaster]

paper records have been known to survive for THOUSANDS of years

NOT !


if you are talking dead sea scrolls - they are not printed on paper ..

but first paper was made of linen anyway (in china) - wood based paper is to acidic to last very long at all -- its untill just recently that acid stablized wood based paper was invented (sometimes call archive or museum)..

China may already have paper in real terms during the Western Han Dynasty (206
B.C--A.D.24), experts said after the recent discovery of a batch of ancient paper
pieces from the Xuanquanzhi ruins of Dunhuang in China's northwest Gansu province.

Latest Discovery Challenges China's Long-term Paper-making Theory
China may already have paper in real terms during the Western Han Dynasty (206
B.C--A.D.24), experts said after the recent discovery of a batch of ancient paper
pieces from the Xuanquanzhi ruins of Dunhuang in China's northwest Gansu province.

The newly unearthed paper is expected to be of the earliest paper found in the
world by now and may push China's paper-making history back to the Western Han
Dynasty (206 B.C--A.D.24), about a century earlier than the widely acknowledged time
of the Eastern Han Dynasty (A.D25--A.D.220).

Some 200 pieces of book fragments and linen paper were found in the ruin, being
the biggest discovery in terms of quantity within China, according to He Shuangquan,
researcher with the archaeological institute of Gansu.

Judging from the unearthed ancient documents and the earth layer in which the
paper pieces were found, they were made during the period lasting from Emperor Wu who
reigned between 140 B.C. and 86 B.C. of the Western Han Dynasty, via the Eastern Han
Dynasty (A.D. 25--A.D. 220) all the way down to the Western Jin Dynasty
(A.D.265--A.D.420).

According to their thickness and colors, these paper can be divided into eight
groups including black thick, black thin, brown thick, white thin, yellow thick and
so on. Mainly made from linen and silk fabrics, these ancient paper pieces are used
for writing on and packing.

This discovery challenged the long-term and widely accepted theory that China's
earliest paper was invented by Cai Lun in 105 A.D., a eunuch who engaged himself in
the study of papermaking during his stay in the imperial palace of Eastern Han
Dynasty.

By PD Online Staff Member Li Heng
People's Daily Online --- http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/

I think the ancient Egyptians have the distinction of not only developing the first written language, but inventing the first "paper", namely papyrus, which gave paper its name:

http://www.arts-in-company.com/paper/papyrus/history.htm

[BJ_M]

Papyrus is not paper -- made a completly different way, on that same page you linked to:



True Paper
"To be classed as true paper, the thin sheets must be made from fiber that has been macerated until each individual filament is a separate unit; the fibers are then intermixed with water, and, by the use of a sievelike screen, are lifted from the water in the form of a thin stratum, the water draining through the small openings of the screen leaving a sheet of matted fiber upon the screen's surface. This thin layer of intertwined fiber is paper."

[RabidDog]

Well they are desperately trying to restore old film classics originally on nitrate film which are degrading badly. So yes some people WILL be trying to recover DVD's. Has everything on LD been released on DVD? NO..part of history is being lost.

[Roderz]

the filter size on your central air condition system

[pcexpress-guy]

the reference was that when air conditioners first came to be... air filter sizes were something to ponder... where to get um, what size, and was something worth talking about... now no one cares... as it should be... ac filters can be had anywhere and is simple task to complete.

[pcexpress-guy]

Well they are desperately trying to restore old film classics originally on nitrate film which are degrading badly. So yes some people WILL be trying to recover DVD's. Has everything on LD been released on DVD? NO..part of history is being lost.

the nature of analog restoration will make this somewhat of a moot point. Analog films had to be stored and were not easily duplicated or remastered. Digital technology allows this to be done. The argument is also one more to a small segment of population (digital film storage facilities) then it does for the average joe, which is what I was primarily speaking to. I do agree with your general statement of film restoration. LD restoration is largely a market demand issue. LD is analog, yes? Fm pulse, true?

[pcexpress-guy]

Papyrus is not paper -- made a completly different way,

depends on the meaning of the word "is," is. :P

click here

[BJ_M]

Although papyrus sheets were similar to paper in terms of function, being laminated sheets they were technically more like a mat and therefore not the same as the papers of today. Similar processes were developed in other lands - in Central America during the 2nd Century AD the Mayans fashioned a similar product for bookmaking. In the Pacific Islands, a paper was made by beating a fine bark over specially shaped logs to make clothes and ritual objects. However, none of these sheets would qualify as true paper today.

http://www.hqpapermaker.com/paper.htm "History of Paper"

a interisting detailed study of the subject ..

[gitreel]

wouldn't the laser destroy the paper to begin with? Sorry timmy, your data disappeared. better get a real disc

[NightWing]

I think its in the backing of the disk and not the clear side. IE label side.

But wondering if it would make prinitable disk easers? Even add in the chemical mix of Thermal paper so they could do what HP is offering. Well a thought. You can adjust the temp that the ink will "pop" out.