I have a wedding video VHS that I want to transfer onto my comptuer.
1. I have a video card etc. etc.
2. VCR is not the best but will do.
3. What should I use to save the video to my computer to work with later ?
4. What would be the BEST realistic format to save it as AVI ??
5. What is a GOOD/BEST program to edit my video ex. delete scenes, new sound track, effects, titles etc. What are the commercial people using ? There MUST be one program that stands out ? Is Win. Movie Maker any good ?
6. Once I have figured out all the above what software should I be using to................ record my finished product ? For the mean time I will be using VCD or should I use SVCD is it any better ? I don't have a DVD burner but plan to buy one in the future for now it will have to be either VCD or SVCD.....
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videosilva,
https://www.videohelp.com/capture
Here are all the guides, located over the left-hand side of this site in the green section. These should tell you everything you need to know.
I used my GeForce graphics card with a video input to capture from VHS, and I found that the best software for capturing with was VirtualDub. That's free, and a brilliant package.
I used the Morgan MJPEG codec for capturing. This comes out as a massive .AVI file - as your PC is capturing on the fly, it can't spend too long compressing the video or it would drop frames. The quality setting of 90 worked very well for me.
I then used TMPGEnc to convert to DVD. As far as VCD or SVCD goes:
VCD: https://www.videohelp.com/vcd
SVCD: https://www.videohelp.com/svcd
These definitions are also on the left-hand side of this site.I would go with SVCD because, although you can only get about 40-45 minutes of video onto one disc, it yields better quality than VCD.
As far as video editing goes, I used TMPGEnc DVD Author. Obviously, not owning a DVD burner, this is pretty useless for you! If I were you, I'd hunt around and grab a few packages, try them and pick the one you like best, unless anyone else has a suggestion.
If you have any further problems that guides or forum searching do not resolve, you might want to post up more details on the hardware you are using and the techniques you tried. This will help users answer your questions a lot more accurately.
Best of luck,
Cobra
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Pretty much what cobra said.
As far as video editing programs go, it depends on what you have, how much time and money you want to spend.
Cheap way, small learning curve:
Ulead VideoStudio 6 - don't know how much it is, but there is a downloadable trial and it is very easy to learn and does a good job.
Pinnacle Studio 8 or 9 - fairly cheap software, does a good job, but it is hit or miss. For some it works great, for others not at all, very buggy
Expensive:
adobe premiere - great program, huge learning curve...very expensive.
There are some free programs or trials out that you can download and check things out.
Windows MovieMaker 2 is not bad if you don't have a choice, but if you have a choice I wouldn't use it.
As far as capturing format, I prefer to capture to an uncompressed AVI format, but those files are huge and you really need a large fast hard drive. You may be limited in your capture format by what program you use to capture.
For outputting the SVCD I would use something like Ulead DVD Workshop or some free program that would output to SVCD. And like Cobra said, once you get a DVD burner, TMPGEnc DVD Author is pretty tough to beat.
Also, just a disclaimer....entering the world of computer/video is highly addictive and may cause a decrease in bank account, time spent with family and overall general sanity.
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Originally Posted by northcat_8
Cobra
(Edited once to fix quote)
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Originally Posted by Cobra
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Originally Posted by northcat_8
I can not belive their is NOT one software package that would give very GOOD quality video. A package that would allow you to capture edit and record your video with out having to convert to another format encode etc. Its seems pointless to keep converting from one to another.
So mpeg 2 seems to be the way to go...........Best quality and not a space hog like avi. What compression is used for DVD recording and is it better then mpeg 2 or is it just that dvds have the larger storage capictiy over CDs ??
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DVDs are MPEG2. VCD (CD) uses MPEG1.
When you author your MPEG2 you create DVD-compliant files ....VOB, .IFO and .BUP, all in the VIDEO_TS directory. This is where your player goes to look for files to play. The .VOB files actually contain the lion's share of the DVD material, and these files are basically MPEG2 files.
Good bitrates ...that's a judgment call. With MPEG2 you can go anywhere from about 2 (maybe less) to 15 Mb/s, although to remain fully compliant you'll want to stay below 9.8. The resolution you pick will be determined by experimentation. Start at 5 or 6 average and adjust from there. Sometimes the recording length will limit your bitrate so it fits on one disc.
Resolution - full DVD resolution is 720 x 480 (NTSC), 704 x 480 (NTSC), 720 x 576 (PAL), and 704 x 576 (PAL). You can also capture at a lower res as long as it's DVD-compliant, like 352 x 480, called "half-D1". That will also play on a set-top player, but quality will be lower than 720 x 480.
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Here are some bare bones basic:
1. To convert from VCR to digital video, you need an analog video capture card. Some video cards have an analog capture capability, these cards are classified as VIVO (video in video out). A package to consider if you don't have a capture card is Pinnacle Studio. It has an analog capture card, movie editing and MPEG1/MPEG2 software, all for about $80. I cannot vouch for the quality of this package since I've never used it.
2. Digital video data must be compressed substantially to fit any reasonable length of footage onto CD and DVD media . A DVD holds about 7 times as much data as a CD. Also, the compression (via MPEG2) involves a loss in quality (MPEG2 is lossy compression). Generally speaking, more compression means less image quality. For DVD, the compression results for the source footage may be vitually identical to the source. For CD (via SVCD), it is usually impossible to achieve "perfect" quality since a much higher level of compression must be used. If you must go CD, find out about CVCD. This format can be easily put on a DVD in the future (though the sound track has to be reprocessed to do this).
3. Not all MPEG2 compression programs are equal. If you're a quality freak, the Pinnacle MPEG2 compression program may not give you excellent results, though their movie editor may be just fine. I've been down your path. If you really want top quality, (i.e. as good as your original VCR footage) you're in for a steep learn curve, some frustration and a little cash outlay. At least your are fortunate to have found this web site. All the info you need is here if you have the patients for it.Usually long gone and forgotten
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Originally Posted by videosilva
You asked, I told. I know what I'm doing, you obviously do not. The reason for the capture to AVI is because DV-AVI will maintain the highest quality of the video.(without being uncompressed. DV-AVI is approximately 12 GB per hour). You can capture to MPEG-2 if you want, but MPEG-2 is a compressed format and you may run into problems capturing it, if you CPU or HD cannot keep up and editing it. And then you can join the hundreds of people on here editing MPEG-2 video files and posting about their audio being out of sync and trying to figure out why.
2nd - If you edit anything about the captured clip and then export it, and I mean anything, if you add a transition, if you clip the end of the video by 00:00:02 seconds, when you output that video file your software will re-encode it anyway. It will take longer to encode the MPEG-2 than the AVI because the MPEG-2 is a compressed format. Also don't forget you are re-encoding to a compressed format of a file that is already compressed.
The comprehensive packages depend on a lot of things. Assuming you can get the video into your computer without a software package, then your list is (but not limited to):
If you are wanting top of the video mountain, then buy Adobe Premiere...it's only $996.00 on their website. OR as I said before, Pinnacle does a very good job with video but the program is buggy. Ulead's softwares are easy to learn and give you quality output. It really depends on how much you want to spend.
Output quality has more to do with the codecs you select to output and some other settings depending on the software you choose.
It would seem pointless but it is not. I capture to DV-AVI, which is a high quality AVI format. I edit, clip, crop, transition, etc, etc and encode out to DV-AVI. I then take that AVI into TMPGEnc Plus, where I convert it to DVD compliant files (and adjust my bitrate if I need too) and use TMPGEnc DVD Author to make the DVD. There's no converting back and forth, there is one straight conversion.
And finally...
What compression is used for DVD recording and is it better then mpeg 2 or is it just that dvds have the larger storage capictiy over CDs ??When you say 720 as opposed to 352 will this affect the screen size ? I need a resouliton for STANDARD TV not wide screen etc. Or is a resolution of 352 and 720 QUALITY ex. more pixels ? Is this what is meant by resoulution = pixels ?
720 x 576 is the standard screen size of PAL DVD video
When you watch a DVD in fullscreen, it is 720x480. Widescreen is 16:9.
The terms 720 x 480 is width x height. So changing your resolution to be 352x480 will do just that. Now I don't know if the video will be stretched across the screen of if you will just have a black border all the way around...I don't know, I only capture and output 720x480.
you need to do some SERIOUS reading.
I'll do the video for you for $20 and I garuntee high quality and DVD compatibility.
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This thread is obviously a lost cause. videosilva seems to be more interested in pissing on everyone's comments than learning about digit video and getting down to serious work with his/her project. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink!
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Why do you sound so pissed ? I was in no way trying to annoy you. This video stuff is just so confusing the more I read the less I understand.
OK, well a few things...
You asked, I told. I know what I'm doing, you obviously do not.
You are wright and that is why Im here
The reason for the capture to AVI is because DV-AVI will maintain the highest quality of the video.(without being uncompressed. DV-AVI is approximately 12 GB per hour).
12 gig's to every hour is VERY resonable. Ok capture to AVI I get that part and the good video I also understand. I'm lot when you mention AVI and DV-AVI in the same sentence. Now that I have AVI figured out what is DV-AVI ??
Yes I realize I ask many stupid questions.
You can capture to MPEG-2 if you want, but MPEG-2 is a compressed format and you may run into problems capturing it, if you CPU or HD cannot keep up and editing it.
That answers what I needed to know thank you. So, DON"T GO mpeg-2 avi is still the way to go.
And then you can join the hundreds of people on here editing MPEG-2 video files and posting about their audio being out of sync and trying to figure out why.
2nd - If you edit anything about the captured clip and then export it, and I mean anything, if you add a transition, if you clip the end of the video by 00:00:02 seconds, when you output that video file your software will re-encode it anyway. It will take longer to encode the MPEG-2 than the AVI because the MPEG-2 is a compressed format. Also don't forget you are re-encoding to a compressed format of a file that is already compressed.
Ok Mpeg-2 takes longer to compress then AVI. Now I'm learingAlso don't recompress or you will loose picture quality ..........
The comprehensive packages depend on a lot of things. Assuming you can get the video into your computer without a software package, then your list is (but not limited to):
If you are wanting top of the video mountain, then buy Adobe Premiere...it's only $996.00 on their website. OR as I said before, Pinnacle does a very good job with video but the program is buggy. Ulead's softwares are easy to learn and give you quality output. It really depends on how much you want to spend.
Ok, so Adobe is definetly at the top of the list.
Output quality has more to do with the codecs you select to output and some other settings depending on the software you choose.
I don't think I follow here. ........ output = record I would be outputting to mpeg 2 since I belive thats the best quality if I"m reading properly.
It would seem pointless but it is not. I capture to DV-AVI, which is a high quality AVI format.
Is AVI and DV-AVI the same thing ? If not what is the difference ? I'm guessin AVI becomes DV-AVI once on DVD ??
I edit, clip, crop, transition, etc, etc and encode out to DV-AVI. I then take that AVI into TMPGEnc Plus, where I convert it to DVD compliant files (and adjust my bitrate if I need too) and use TMPGEnc DVD Author to make the DVD. There's no converting back and forth, there is one straight conversion.
Here we go I'm lost again. Ok you have the finished edit and you save it as DV-AVI ( what ever that is ). Then you use another program to make it work for DVD's. I take it the last one ( TMP) actually burns the DVD ??
720 x 480 is the standard screen size of NTSC 4:3 screen ratio DVD video.
720 x 576 is the standard screen size of PAL DVD video
When you watch a DVD in fullscreen, it is 720x480. Widescreen is 16:9.
Ok, 720 is standard TV size thats what I needed to know.
The terms 720 x 480 is width x height. So changing your resolution to be 352x480 will do just that.
Ok 720 is screen dimensions and not pixel content.
Now I don't know if the video will be stretched across the screen of if you will just have a black border all the way around...I don't know, I only capture and output 720x480.
you need to do some SERIOUS reading.
I'm trying.
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Why do you sound so pissed ? I was in no way trying to annoy you. This video stuff is just so confusing the more I read the less I understand.
~that happens. Your question was too broad. It was like asking what's the best oil for your car. No worries, not pissed, long way from being pissed, I'm "Captain Sunshine" ask anyone
The reason for the capture to AVI is because DV-AVI will maintain the highest quality of the video.(without being uncompressed. DV-AVI is approximately 12 GB per hour).
12 gig's to every hour is VERY resonable. Ok capture to AVI I get that part and the good video I also understand. I'm lot when you mention AVI and DV-AVI in the same sentence. Now that I have AVI figured out what is DV-AVI ??
~I'm retarded. DV-AVI is approximately 4 GB every 15 minutes, so 16 GB an hour.
~DV-AVI is Digital Video - AVI. I'm not real up to date on the compressions for the codecs, but I know this codec is not compressed very much, if at all.
Yes I realize I ask many stupid questions.
~well all did in the beginning.
You can capture to MPEG-2 if you want, but MPEG-2 is a compressed format and you may run into problems capturing it, if you CPU or HD cannot keep up and editing it.
That answers what I needed to know thank you. So, DON"T GO mpeg-2 avi is still the way to go.
~AVI is the most universally excepted format for video editing programs. It is bigger file sizes but is also less compression. There are some video editing softwares that won't even import or edit MPEG-2.
2nd - If you edit anything about the captured clip and then export it, and I mean anything, if you add a transition, if you clip the end of the video by 00:00:02 seconds, when you output that video file your software will re-encode it anyway. It will take longer to encode the MPEG-2 than the AVI because the MPEG-2 is a compressed format. Also don't forget you are re-encoding to a compressed format of a file that is already compressed.
Ok Mpeg-2 takes longer to compress then AVI. Now I'm learing Also don't recompress or you will loose picture quality ..........
~it basically works like resizing a picture. If you take a 720x480 picture and resize it down to 320x240 it will still look pretty good. But if you take that 320x240 picture and try to blow it back up to 720x480 it will not look as good as the original 720x480.
The comprehensive packages depend on a lot of things. Assuming you can get the video into your computer without a software package, then your list is (but not limited to):
If you are wanting top of the video mountain, then buy Adobe Premiere...it's only $996.00 on their website. OR as I said before, Pinnacle does a very good job with video but the program is buggy. Ulead's softwares are easy to learn and give you quality output. It really depends on how much you want to spend.
Ok, so Adobe is definetly at the top of the list.
~I use Studio 8 and Adobe Premiere. Studio 8 came with my capture card. And is very easy to work with, but like I said, it very buggy.
Output quality has more to do with the codecs you select to output and some other settings depending on the software you choose.
I don't think I follow here. ........ output = record I would be outputting to mpeg 2 since I belive thats the best quality if I"m reading properly.
~what you want to try to do is keep the video at the highest possible quality. For example, if you edit, transition a piece of video you can then output it to quite a few different formats. You could export it to AVI with the Microsoft DV codec, or you could send it out as a Cinepak Codec by Radius, or several others. BUT encoding to a different codec means a change in quality, no matter which way you go. Which is why a uncompressed AVI is a good idea if you can because it will retain the original quality. (I think whoever said it double typed the number "1" when they said uncompressed AVI was 112 GB per hour of video, I could be wrong but I use uncompressed video out of my 3D annimation software and my files aren't ever that big but then again I don't do 60 minute annimations either)
It would seem pointless but it is not. I capture to DV-AVI, which is a high quality AVI format.
Is AVI and DV-AVI the same thing ? If not what is the difference ? I'm guessin AVI becomes DV-AVI once on DVD ??
~AVI is a lot of things. It's like saying that's a car. There are lots of cars, but they aren't all the same thing. AVI is a file type, an extention. DV-AVI is a type of AVI file...DV-AVI is a codec. Video on a DVD is MPEG-2 format.
I edit, clip, crop, transition, etc, etc and encode out to DV-AVI. I then take that AVI into TMPGEnc Plus, where I convert it to DVD compliant files (and adjust my bitrate if I need too) and use TMPGEnc DVD Author to make the DVD. There's no converting back and forth, there is one straight conversion.
Here we go I'm lost again. Ok you have the finished edit and you save it as DV-AVI ( what ever that is ). Then you use another program to make it work for DVD's. I take it the last one ( TMP) actually burns the DVD ??
~again back to keeping the video the highest quality possible....I just did a highlight video. The final video was 720x480, DV-AVI, the file size was 56 GB. Now there are some DVD authoring programs that will take that AVI file and convert it for you and make your DVD. Ulead's DVD Workshop is one of them. I use to use DVDWS, but now I use TMPGEnc DVD Author.
~I take the DV-AVI file into TMPGEnc Plus and I use that program to demux (seperate audio and video) the file and to convert it to a DVD compliant MPEG-2 format. Sometimes the video may be too big for a DVD-R disc, there is also a setting in TMPGEnc Plus where you can change the bitrate. Bitrate is another discussion all together, but basically, I can lower it and make more video fit on a disc but I sacrifice quality to do that...like I said...another story. Converting my DV-AVI file to a DVD compliant MPEG-2 file is the only job of TMPGEnc Plus. Once it is done, I have to "AUTHOR" the DVD. So I use TMPGEnc DVD Author.
~you see you can't just burn a video file on a DVD and it work in a DVD player. The DVD must be authored so that it has the right file structure and the video is in the proper format for the DVD player to know what it is reading. TMPGEnc DVD Author will take my video, I will make menu's in the program, set chapter points, etc, etc. and when I "AUTHOR" the video, TMPGEnc DVD Author outputs 2 folders. AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS. The AUDIO_TS is empty, the VIDEO_TS contains your movie. Except now your movie is encoded into VOB files.
Doing video is not that complicated. But learning actually what you are doing is.
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I think people have mentioned being able to get someone to do it for you because a cost of $25.00 will be a lot cheaper, quicker and better quality than you will achieve without tons of reading and experimentation.
Your attitude so far hasn't been a good indication to most people here. If you want people to help you gotta listen and do, not question.If in doubt, Google it.
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It's my Wedding VIdeo I'm trying to redit. The " VIDEO " was shot almost 20 years ago. The video quality is still VERY decent.
The video is spread on 2 two hour unedited video tapes. It is NTSC video .......... I recently had the two video tapes recorded onto DVD with a DVD recorder providing me with 2 disks of unedited film.
I recently aquired a DVD burner, I grabbed one of the disks and dragged the files onto my computer. Now I have this video on my computer with all these files. I have tried several programs and none are able to see the files ?
I want to open a program that sees the files and allows me to edit them. ANY encoding what so ever is unacetable since I can not allow any further degration of this video.
I want to edit the video to possibly 2 or less hours. I need to be able to cut /edit sections and trasformations etc. and be able to keep the audio track..............
Any ideas are appreciated.
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Originally Posted by videosilva
https://www.videohelp.com/guides.php?link=638If in doubt, Google it.
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7090 POSTES !!!!!!11
How the HELL do you people get 7090 posts ??
Man some people need a LIFE or HARD LABOUR !!
You on the other hand (and I've looked at some of your previous posts) are an idiot. You want help because you're too stupid to do it your self or read up on the subject yet you seem to think that you'll get help by insulting the experts on this forum. That's how stupid you are! Maybe you need to forget learning about video for a while and read a book on how to win friends and influence people.
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Ok this puppy is locked.
Paul Silva. Jr ,
there is still time for you to make a fresh start.
A little bit of common decency and politeness
combined with a willingness to help yourself, where
possible, will get you free video expertise worth
$$$.
Asking to be spoon fed, complaining and
insulting regulars will get you 2 cents.
That is my 2 cents to you.
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