Capture card with component (RGB) inputs

[hrlslcbr]

Does anyone know a good capture card that has RGB inputs??
I'm asking about a 'card' not a capture 'device' (ie. the PYRO A/V Link)
Is there any? and is there any improvement in quality compared to capping with s-video?
Thanks.

[Marco33]

Good question.

I don't think there is.

[SatStorm]

I have years to see something like this.

There is no practical improvement over S-Video . You have issues from what I know, that's why virtualdub has that option "filter RGB". (I can't explain them in English, too technical for my language skills...)

Componet connections are an improvement over S-Video.

[pbanders]

Well, the only capture device I know of with component that's consumer-level priced is the one you exclude - the ADS Pyro A/V Link. With the latest firmware, they seem to have solved problems with dropped frames and the device is fairly cheap (~$150 or less).

[Marco33]

Doesn't the ADS Pyro A/V Link fall under capter "device" not "card".

[gshelley61]

Doesn't the ADS Pyro A/V Link fall under capter "device" not "card".

Picky, picky... :P but you are right. You still need a firewire card and software to actually do the capturing.

[racerxnet]

Well, on that subject the RexPro has RGB inputs on the RT board.

[hrlslcbr]

I had completely forgotten this thread , some time has passed since I posted it...
OK, just like pbanders said, the only capture device I've seen with component inputs is the ADS Pyro A/V Link, but I didn't want to capture through FireWire because of the 4:1:1 colour sampling the DV format uses.

@ SatStorm

What kind of issues are you talking about? Quality problems, compatibility?
BTW, I already knew component cables are an improvement over composite and S-Video when I posted this, already using them with my DVD player.

[SatStorm]

It is complicated, I can't explain it in English sorry...
Maybe someone else.
But this is the reason in Europe the EURO SCART connectors don't offer RGB output to the VCRs / DVD-Rs. They offer S-Video insteed.

RGB can't be recorded direct to VCRs and Standalone DVD recorders.

[hexxisoft]

i've got one called an Osprey-100, it's a PCI card. i can capture at 352x480 direct to mpeg2 or AVI or 640x480 direct to MPEG1. Viewcast, it's manufacturer(sp?) makes a bunch of better models. Google it and see if it's what you need.

[hrlslcbr]

Thanks for the info hexxisoft, but I couldn't find a capture card with component inputs (only composite and S-Video)

SatStorm, I didn't want you to "explain" the problem, but at least tell me if I would get worse quality capturing through the component inputs of a Pyro A/V Link or through S-Video. Thanks to all.

[Marco33]

I'm thinking of capturing through component also.

I'm also thinking a DVD recorder might be a better way.

[BJ_M]

component and RGB are two different things ...

non the less the decklink sp cards have this and so do the DPS VELOCITY cards

the decklink card is not even that expensive

other component in cards or boxs mostly just convert to DV (there are several of these like laird and canopus have)


http://www.blackmagic-design.com/site/decklinksp.htm

[bugster]

It is complicated, I can't explain it in English sorry...
Maybe someone else.
But this is the reason in Europe the EURO SCART connectors don't offer RGB output to the VCRs / DVD-Rs. They offer S-Video insteed.

RGB can't be recorded direct to VCRs and Standalone DVD recorders.

Are you sure about this. My Sky+ box outputs RGB (AFAIK). This is fed directly to my Phillips DVDr75 and passed through to my TV. When I record from Sky+ on to the Phillips, it is set up to use RGB input.

I know this is different from component, is that what you mean?

[hrlslcbr]

Well, the real question I have now is that if using YCbCr (or YPbPr) cables I would (or CAN) get a better picture quality than using S-Video.

BJ_M. Can you explain the differences between YCbCr, YPbPr and RGB??
Thanks.

[spiderman2k1]

Pinnacle make's one but it's a AVI capture card I think it goes for $800.00 dollar's last I look at one that was about three years ago.

[vhelp]

I can't see any reason for this request of Y/C component feature because
there are no sources that offer this as OUTPUT, other than DVD players, but
why would anyone want to capture from DVD players (even if they do have
Y/C component) when you STILL will get better quality reproduction from the
DVD rip process

I have never seen any TV or VCR set that could possibly offer this either,
other than to output DVD to TV (connector 'wise)

So, I'm still spinning some screws in my head over this one


What is your true purpose for this ?

-vhelp

[Bodysurf]

Does anyone know a good capture card that has RGB inputs??

There are a lot. Most of them cost a ton. Here's a cheapo one ->PDI Deluxe Card. The Matrox RT.X100 Xtreme is a more expensive one.

I'm asking about a 'card' not a capture 'device' (ie. the PYRO A/V Link)Is there any? and is there any improvement in quality compared to capping with s-video?

What are you capturing? SD video thru consumer grade equipment? Digital cable/Satellite TV??? If so, there will be no noticable improvement over S-Video.

[hrlslcbr]

GameCube

[SatStorm]

@ Bugster: SCART euroconnectors offer at the same time composite, RGB and S-Video.

Usually, the "TV SCART" offers RGB and composite.
The VCR SCART (or AUX SCART), output composite and S-Video insteed.
So I guess if you connect your Sky + to your DVD Standalone recorder using the TV out SCART, your DVD Standalone gonna detect the composite signal (which is always present) and use this to capture! Then beause of the "pass through" fuction of SCARTs, the RGB info gonna pass to your TV.
So, it seems that you capture composite all this time! Better use the VCR output for your DVD Standalone recorder and see if there is a difference!

We can't capture on VCRs RGB signals, so to DVD-Rs. S-video signals and Component yes.

[lordsmurf]

Most video signals are not RGB.

[SatStorm]

RGB info is offered in the European DVB recievers and DVD standalone players because of the SCART connectors. All TV sets, produced after 1988, offer RGB Inputs through SCART.
Most devices today offer 2 SCARTS: One with RGB for TV and one with S-Video for VCR / DVD Recorder

[bugster]

@ Bugster: SCART euroconnectors offer at the same time composite, RGB and S-Video.

Usually, the "TV SCART" offers RGB and composite.
The VCR SCART (or AUX SCART), output composite and S-Video insteed.
So I guess if you connect your Sky + to your DVD Standalone recorder using the TV out SCART, your DVD Standalone gonna detect the composite signal (which is always present) and use this to capture! Then beause of the "pass through" fuction of SCARTs, the RGB info gonna pass to your TV.
So, it seems that you capture composite all this time! Better use the VCR output for your DVD Standalone recorder and see if there is a difference!

We can't capture on VCRs RGB signals, so to DVD-Rs. S-video signals and Component yes.

This is a quote from the Philips DVDr75 user manual:

Using your DVD recorder you can record from an RGB source such as a satellite receiver using
a SCART input ( EXT 2 AUX-I/O socket). Video signals for the colours R(Red), G(Green) and
B(Blue) are transmitted via separate channels. This reduces the interference that occurs with
standard video cables.

Do you still think I am recording via composite?

[SatStorm]

If the manual says that your DVD Recorder accept RGB signals, it means that it does! Lucky you!


Anyway, just to be sure, capture the same segment to an RW using the VCR (s-video) and TV (RGB) SCART and compare the results. But I don't think so (if the manual say it captures RGB, then it must ...)

[bugster]

If the manual says that your DVD Recorder accept RGB signals, it means that it does! Lucky you!


Anyway, just to be sure, capture the same segment to an RW using the VCR (s-video) and TV (RGB) SCART and compare the results. But I don't think so (if the manual say it captures RGB, then it must ...)

I already have, when I first got the unit earlier this year. There is a marked improvement using RGB over S-Video over Composite.

This is why I did not understand you earlier statement that it is not possible to capture via RGB.

[spiderman2k1]

I can't see any reason for this request of Y/C component feature because
there are no sources that offer this as OUTPUT, other than DVD players, but
why would anyone want to capture from DVD players (even if they do have
Y/C component) when you STILL will get better quality reproduction from the
DVD rip process

"vhelp" DTV has box's that have component feature. Those DTV box's go for about $00.00 dollar's

[bugster]

"vhelp" DTV has box's that have component feature. Those DTV box's go for about $00.00 dollar's

I'll have a dozen at that price


Sorry, couldn't resist

[vhelp]

Morning all.

@ spiderman2k1,

No. I didn't know they had those connection-types

Just to be sure.., did you mean DirectTV ??
If so, then my dtv receiver does not have it (3~4 plus years old)
But, in any case, I don't have dtv any mores, because of its poor quality

-vhelp

[SatStorm]

@bugster: I didn't know and I never saw that a DVD-R standalone recorder can use RGB inputs like yours. You are the first one point this to me.
Philips is a European company and since RGB is mainly a European thing (because of the existance of the SCART connections), I bet they decide to use it to their machines. Or they really do RGB or they convert internal RGB to something else (maybe component). I really don't know, and since I'm on vacation, I can't ask about it. I'll have to wait untill September for this!

Does the "VCR" SCART offers less good quality?

[bugster]

Does the "VCR" SCART offers less good quality?

Yes it does, a little. It is most noticeable on shorter recordings, mostly on the brightness of colours and overall 'sharpness' of the picture. The VCR scart does not offer RGB out, only the TV Scart. On longer recordings (4 hours, which I only used once on composite but several times on RGB) the quality difference is less noticeable, probably because it switches to 1/2 D1 which softens the picture anyway.