progressive scan recording

[van_d_man]

I just bought my Phillips DVDR 72 from Costco – it has a component video Input.

So I tried to use a cable signal – run tru another DVDR (Cyber home) input – S-video to the – DVDR (Cyber home ) output component (progressive scan) -> component video Input. Phillips DVDR 72.

The picture shows scrambled ( my TV is a progressive scan capable) and it has the correct settings for it)…
When I change the signal going to the component video Input to NTSC – it shows OK.

Aren’t the DVDR’s with component video Input.
designed to receive and record a progressive signal???

[GMaq]

I realize your source is cable but is is possible that the cyberhome DVD is adding macrovision to the signal since you have a direct DVD-DVDR connection?? sorry to answer your question with a question but I'm a little hazy on where in the signal chain that macrovision originates.

[louthewiz]

There is no such thing as recording 'progressive signal' the tv sets that are progressive scan capable upconverts the 480 interlaced signal from a dvd player that upconverts a progressive signal to 480 p, therefore what you are recording is an analog signal unless you are recording from dvi which at the the moment is not possible I believe.And the digital signal that direct tv and digital cable is still an analog signal anyway .and finally you cant run a progressive scan 480p signal through s video any way I hope this helps you with the terminology..

[FulciLives]

You can't capture progressive scan with a stand alone DVD recorder.

I don't even think you can even with a capture card on a computer.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
Actually there are HDTV tuner capture cards so I guess they would capture 480p but I don't know much about those HDTV might as well be Sci-Fi for me.

[van_d_man]

Louthewiz,

I guess you misunderstand my connections,
I am running unconverted signal tru the Cyberhome component video output set to ‘progressive’
Which goes to the Phillips component video input.

Is the progressive scan digital signal or still analog, just double-lined?
I knopw that NTSC and PAL out from the component video output is analog.

I think Gmaq may be right about the macrovision. Cause I got similar effect when I tried to record a PAL signal to my USA Cyberhome. I’ll try with different video sources and upconvert them to progressive and see what happens. Will let you know tomorrow.

About the pure digital recording – you can use a mini DV camcorder, run the cable or DTV analog signal in tru S-video input and output from the camcorder tru IEEE 1394 to your IEEE 1934 DVDR’s digital input Phillips DVDR 72 has it.

[louthewiz]

Ok I will try to explain again ,the main thing you must understand is that the second device that you will be capturing/recording is still an analog signal anyway your tv that has a built in line doubler and it is activated when the progressive signal is sent by the component video cable then the tv set does the job along with the dvd player. One time I tried to pass a progressive signal through an analog tv and all we got was a scrambled signal ,anyway I dont see how you can reccord in progressive scan anyway but if you record a signal like direct tv or digital cable with a good dvd recorder and play the disc in a dvd player with progressive scan you will get a 420p signal 'go figure'. I hope this helps you in your quest for knowledge.. :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

[junkmalle]

Aren’t the DVDR’s with component video Input.
designed to receive and record a progressive signal???

I don't think so. It's just to get better results from regular interlaced video sources. And I guess your own experience proves it -- at least for your DVDR.

[skateni]

Refer to your owners manual page 17 in the helpful hints box

Do not connect a Progressive
Scan video source (such as a
DVD Player) to the IN EXT 1
COMPONENT VIDEO jacks.The
Recorder cannot receive
Progressive Scan video.

[van_d_man]

So then I guess the Component video input makes no sense - you can use just S-video in .Why spend an extra 100$ for Phillips when the Cyberhome will do the same job tru the S-video.

Thanks, guys!

[FulciLives]

So then I guess the Component video input makes no sense - you can use just S-video in .Why spend an extra 100$ for Phillips when the Cyberhome will do the same job tru the S-video.

Thanks, guys!

Because not all component video is progressive silly.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
You can hook up a DVD player to your Philips using component video if you want to make a copy of a DVD like this. Just make sure the DVD player is not set up for progressive output.

[maciejpiotrowski]

I have a question. I have Progressive scan DVD and HDTV TV, and want to watch DVDs in 480p.
I want to copy (rip) DVDs on my HD to burn it on a DVDR.

Will ripped (copied ) DVD movie be progressive on DVDR cd if I use regular DVD RW drive or I need to have progressive DVD recording drive?

Thanks for any comments.
Maciej

[van_d_man]

maciejpiotrowski,

All DVD media has limitation of recording only up to 450-500 HL (Horizontal lines).
The progressive scan is used only to double (upconvert) the DVD signal (450-500 ) to 1080 I lines , so you can display it ion your HDTV. No media so far can record 1080I lines. The mini DV tape and Digital8 tapes records 550 HL, and the digital broadcast Beta cam tape records up to 800 HL. Once you put the movie on DVD – it ‘shrinks’ back to 450-500 HL of resolution, then you have to use your component signal output to double it to 1080 I lines.

Hope this helps.

[FulciLives]

maciejpiotrowski,

All DVD media has limitation of recording only up to 450-500 HL (Horizontal lines).
The progressive scan is used only to double (upconvert) the DVD signal (450-500 ) to 1080 I lines , so you can display it ion your HDTV. No media so far can record 1080I lines. The mini DV tape and Digital8 tapes records 550 HL, and the digital broadcast Beta cam tape records up to 800 HL. Once you put the movie on DVD – it ‘shrinks’ back to 450-500 HL of resolution, then you have to use your component signal output to double it to 1080 I lines.

Hope this helps.

Ummm ... no.

Sorry but you are SO wrong about what progressive scan is ... at least in terms of DVD playback.

So wrong in fact that I'm not even gonna get into it ... maybe another kind soul will find it in their heart to give an explanation.

I haven't the patience at this point in this thread.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[van_d_man]

FulciLives wrote:
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“Because not all component video is progressive silly.”

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Dear FulciLives, Thanks for the u-u-u-seful info…….:0-)
I personally do not see any difference on a 100” HDTV projector (I am not talking about 25” TV )
b/n display out of S-video out signal and component NTSC (not progressive scan) signals.
Probably technically there is a difference, but not for the eye…
Now I think it is SILLY to make copies from DVD player to DVDR, even dough using component jacks, because:
1. You are loosing quality by running and analog signal via external cable
2. you lose all the imbedded features of the DVD like subtitles, title menus,angle, chepters(real ones, not the fake ones (autochepter)created each 5 min on you DVDR)
3. You cannot copy copyrighted DVDs unless you use a macrovision hack (not all DVDRs are hacked yet)


My believes are that the DVDR is meant to be used for recording movies from cable, camcorder, Dish or TV.
If you want to record 8/HI-8 mm to a DVD – use the latest Sony Digital8 camcorder – its $400 at local WalMart and
Circuit city. It reads ands converts analog 8mm tapes to digital via IEE1394 -> DVDR. No signal is lost if you rubn digital signal tru external cable(remember its all 0s and 1s)

I am not like FulciLives –I WILL NEVER use DVD PLAYER TO DVDR to copy DVD-s
That’s why they created the computer and the DVD+-R drives J
Besides they are tons of software to bypass the copy protection.
I recommend DvdShrink315. It works great – it has the magic abilities to reduce the size of the (.VOB) file so you can fit 2 movies into one DVD with the same quality. PM me for info.

FulciLives, in my previous post I meant that you do not need to use component video input when record from a DSS receiver because 99% of the channels are not HDTV quality. Why spend money for DSS/cable receiver with component output and extra 100$ for DVDR w/t component input – I do not see any visible difference b/n the component and S-video input when you record. That was my point.
Yes, the component output used as progressive signal to HDTV makes the difference.

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Do not ever run an analog signal via external cable if you don’t want to loose recording quality.
Always prefer the PC DVD+-RW drive when have the opportunity!!!!
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[van_d_man]

What is a progressive scan?

Here is a helpful link:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/dvd-benchmark-part-5-progressive-10-2000.html

[FulciLives]

@van_d_man

Oh my ... what drug are YOU on?

1.) First you start of by trying to think that a progressive video signal can be recorded via component video on a stand alone DVD player.

2.) Then you go on bitching about why even have component video inputs.

3.) I then merely point out ... with an example ... that component video does not always = progressive video.

4.) Then you go on to wildly give an inaccurate explanation of what DVD progressive output is viz a viz HDTV displays.

5.) Now you attack me for saying I said one should copy a DVD in an analog way when I only really said that as an example (see point 3 above)

So again I ask you just what drug are you dealing with in that brain of yours?

What more could I say otherthan ...

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[van_d_man]

FulciLives,

Nobody is on drugs,
My point is that we don’t have to bash each other or calling names. All we have to do on this forum is to share knowledge and not to put anybody down.
If you are to lazy to explain something, just do not reply the tread.
If you really want to help – be patient and complete……
Remember: NOBODY KNOWS EVERYTHING!!!!
And never underestimate the others!

Peace!

[FulciLives]

FulciLives,

Nobody is on drugs,
My point is that we don’t have to bash each other or calling names. All we have to do on this forum is to share knowledge and not to put anybody down.
If you are to lazy to explain something, just do not reply the tread.
If you really want to help – be patient and complete……
Remember: NOBODY KNOWS EVERYTHING!!!!
And never underestimate the others!

Peace!

It is one thing not to know and to ask.

It is another not to know but make wildly incorrect comments.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[van_d_man]

I am not going to continue your challenge – it goes too far.
This forum’s database needs space for more useful comments.

Be cool.

[maciejpiotrowski]

I don't know if you all understood what I ment...
I don't want to copy DVDs from progressive DVD player to DVD burner.
I want to burn, rip DVDs using DVD recorder drive in my PC.
I'm not paying attention to all DVD-R or DVD+R. It does not metter now.

I'm wondering... When I watch original DVD movie on my progressive scan DVD I get 480p on my HDTV. Most of movies are in 480p.
So, if I rip that DVD movie on my DVD burner will it be copied as 480p or it will change to interlace? I'm wondering if there is such a thing as progressive burning DVD drive or all of them rip DVDs as original.

[van_d_man]

Maciejpiotrowski,

When you rip DVD on your PC you will get identical copy of the original DVD.

[FulciLives]

Maciejpiotrowski,

When you rip DVD on your PC you will get identical copy of the original DVD.

And it should be pointed out that the burned copy will be progressive if the original was as well ... assuming you are just doing a back-up ... with or without a transcoder.

Of course you could re-encode some interlaced material to progressive but there is no real point in doing that JUST to make it progressive. Better off leaving interlaced video as interlaced.

Unless it is soley for computer playback purposes.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[maciejpiotrowski]

OK, thank you