How is CloneDVD's recode quality?

[tsioc]

how is the video quality of a movie recoded in CloneDVD (either 1 or 2), compared to, say... DVDShrink 3.17 with deep analysis?

how about compared to CCD?

[DereX888]

CloneDVD plain sux (Im talking about version 1.x, I dont do free beta testing for no one, thus haven't tried version 2.x yet), and it sux with movies as 'small' as 5.5GB. With compression of just 90% of original, you still could notice some artifacts in some scenes. Unacceptable.

IMO it was one of the worst 'transcoders' out there so far.
Shrink 3.1.7 does a superb job compared to CloneDVD 1.x

[Andem]

I dont agree with Derek at all. CloneDvd version2 is very good.
Derek makes it sounds as if your reproduced dvd will be absolutely terrible which of course it wont be.
Assuming that the word 'sux' means glitchy, buggy, slow and down right awful.

All the modern and widely publicised transcoders are worth while.

There is a trial version to try before you buy, so you can make your own up.

Try it and let us know please. Thanks.

A.

[sunderland]

clonedvd is a great programme. i think its better than shrink but thats just me. you will find a lot of people say shrink is better thats just because its free. say no more

[DereX888]

Andem, please read again what I wrote.
I have no opinion on CloneDVD 2 yet (Im hoping it will be as good as their CloneCD is), but my opinion on CloneDVD 1.x stands valid. It *is* the worst transcoder out there. The only good thing about it is possibility to remove entirely some useless stuff out of backups (thats what i.e. Shrink still lacks).

BTW - Im not Derek my nickname is not related to my name at all.

[Vanderlow]

So why talk about an old program that noone is going to buy? Go download CloneDVD 2 and then state an opinion. Its in the ballpark of Recode 2 and IV 2 Plat, but I thought IV 2 Plat best overall with Recode 2 second.

[noki]

IMHO IV2 Platinum is unacceptable. see other thread today.
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=214396

[GKar]

I tried the earliest versions of CloneDVD (free trial) on a few Star Trek Next Generation DVD's and it seemed to work ok, never tried the later ones. I stuck with DVDShrink because the qualities were similar back then but shrink was free.

[Andem]

Tsoic,

Have you tried CloneDvd2 yet?

Depending on how many times you expect to watch the film, I dont think its worth drawing a line between transcoding programs.
Obviously, i'd stay away from some of the more esoteric brands.
I have tried both CloneDvd 1 and 2, there results looked great before my eyes.

Sorry Derex, got your name wrong - I wasn't being rude.

See ya,

A.

[biznutch]

I use DVDShrink to rip and Clone to burn and get great results. I had no luck with Nero. I guess it didn't like my burner because I tried 4 different types of media.

[Gillies]

i've used both versions of clonedvd and have to say it's an excellent program.. it's easy too. however, i've never used shrink so cant make any comment on which is better.

[DereX888]

@Vanderlow:

So why talk about an old program that noone is going to buy?

In case you didn't notice: original poster ask for opinions on *both* versions.

Go download CloneDVD 2 and then state an opinion.

Again in case you didn't notice: I wrote clearly that I don't do free beta testing for anyone (at the time of posting Clone DVD 2 was in 'public preview' stage).

[Vanderlow]

Sorry. Now that its out of beta testing (CloneDVD2) maybe you'll try it?

[DereX888]

@ Vanderlow

I did.
Quality indeed is improved (well - much, much better than the version 1 was). However its recompression algorithm (or whatchamacallit) does same "error" as many of the other transcoders. When I compressed a 183min long/7.8GB movie, it shows the sharp-blurry-sharp-blurry effect, which comes from overcompressing of B/P frames while leaving I frames same or very little compressed.
Very same "error" is visible on DVD2One in "constant compression" mode, or first version of DVDShrink had it too.
But when it comes to smaller disc it did excellent job indeed. My first test was a 5.8GB DVD movie, and it was compressed to standard dvd-r size perfectly, and fast too.

I noticed other minor problems and good things about it too, but since this thread is not "a CloneDVD2 review" I just skip it. However I won't skip on the "free/for fee" argument:
I won't recommend CloneDVD2 to anyone because it doesnt make any better job than i.e. free DVDShrink does, therefore I see no point in buying it.

[Rich86]

I also have been working with CloneDVD2 and really like the features and intuitive screens of the program very much. I am quite satisfied with the quality of the audio/video output, except as described below.
However, the transcoding process definitely introduces artifacts into the output video files occasionally, even when increasing compression rates only slightly. And it introduces these artifacts in completely inconsistent ways. Sometimes it is slight tiling for a second or 2. Sometimes portions of the picture don't change scenes as quickly as the rest of the picture. These do not happen throughout the movie, but it seems to introduce at least 1 or 2 brief artifacts like this in every movie. I have rerun the transcoding process on the exact same decrypted source vob's - and gotten new output vob files with previous artifacts not introduced, but new artifacts introduced somewhere else. I cannot imagine why these issues show up sometimes and not others. Why would this program successfully handle a scene properly during one run, and then introduce a problem if I rerun the exact same source files - or vice versa?
These comments apply using the latest CloneDVD2 (2053) trial version.

[KenNashua]

Actually, the one thing which CloneDVD2 has going for it that DVD Shrink doesn't, is keeping menus. I tried it out on a Stargate SG-1 backup last night to split the 4 episodes into two discs. Menus for the two episodes which were removed just returned back to the menu, which as is close enough to optimal...

Keep in mind, with splitting there's no transcoding going on so this isn't a comment on the transcoding quality.

[Gurm]

Actually Olli has said more than once that CloneDVD is engineered for lower compression. That it will excel on 5GB movies and not-so-much on a bigger film.

Of course, on an 8GB movie you really should be losing some stuff, or using DVD Rebuilder or splitting the movie or something.

- Gurm

[cmusngi29]

Ever since I tried CloneDVD2 with the "AnyDVD" program, I've never looked back to using my regular method of the Decryptor/Shrink routine. I've basically cut my time process by about 30-40%. Quality is excellent and is probably the easiest and most user friendly program out there. Insert the DVD, Just 4 clicks, let it rip, insert a blank and I'm done. It also erases the files automatically on your computer for you after you're done with the process.

[MackemX]

for the price of the ANYDVD/CloneDVD combo ($90 isn't it?) I would want it to put the original DVD back in the box for me

it amazes me people would rather pay $90 when DVDShrink does the ripping part and gives more quality control via removal of menus and ability to distribute variable quality around the DVD

a perfect example of what I mean is that sometimes you don't even have to touch the main movie quality as you can just drop the menus and extras quality and also get rid of any annoying warnings/intros or extra languages in the menu's

as for the time thing, we are talking nanoseconds again

each to his own I suppose

[sunderland]

for the price of the ANYDVD/CloneDVD combo ($90 isn't it?) I would want it to put the original DVD back in the box for me

if you no the right places to go on the web it would cost you nothing for them

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning.
DO NOT ADVOCATE WAREZ
/ Moderator bugster

[Treebeard]

for the price of the ANYDVD/CloneDVD combo ($90 isn't it?) I would want it to put the original DVD back in the box for me

if you no the right places to go on the web it would cost you nothing for them

Dont advocate doing something illegal!


on the topic note, I use clonedvd 2 and like it. but if the quality is below 70 then most likely I will use shrink w/ deep analysis.

[MackemX]

if you no the right places to go on the web it would cost you nothing for them

lol, are you a Mackem by any chance?

naughty naughty for telling me I can get them for free :P. You can't compare warez as it totally changes things as price is not a major factor any more . My point it to the legitimate users who pay the $90 for a product when another does it for free and better in most areas

[chicola]

Using CloneDVD 2 and i'm very happy! Much more simple to use.

DVDShrink doesn't do menus. Period!
CloneDVD 2 doesn't let you specify different compression ratios for different parts of the movie. Period!

The quality is very similar! I can't find differences in a 34 inch TV for the same compression.

I stand by CloneDVD.

[Treebeard]

I stand by DVDClone.

If your going to stand by something you should at least spell it correctly :P

[sunderland]

yes im a mackem and im not telling people were it is but you can. i also paid 30 pound for it. then a few weeks later found the site so i was a bit sick but thats life.p.s you cant give me another yellow box for that.

[pacifickarma]

I stand by DVDClone.

If your going to stand by something you should at least spell it correctly :P

If you're going to criticize someone's spelling, you might want to learn the difference between "your" and "you're."

[Treebeard]

I stand by DVDClone.

If your going to stand by something you should at least spell it correctly :P

If you're going to criticize someone's spelling, you might want to learn the difference between "your" and "you're."

Did you see the little icon of the smiley face sticking out his tongue??? Its not criticism, it teasing.

[MackemX]

DVDShrink doesn't do menus. Period!

that's completely wrong as DVDShrink does do menus and also allows you to blank the more annoying ones such as warnings and intros along with the foriegn ones saving more space

DVDClone 2 doesn't let you specify different compression ratios for different parts of the movie. Period!

that's completely right and that's what sucks because why should the menu & extras affect the main movie quality?

The quality is very similar! I can't find differences in a 34 inch TV for the same compression.

that I cannot change as it is your own perception of quality with whatever you use to view the backup and your happy so that's OK. I myself can spot a macroblock a mile off and therefore do see a difference during viewing on my setup

[noki]

DVDShrink doesn't do menus. Period!

as stated above you are wrong. To go a step further you can even REAUTHOR in DVD Shrink, and still keep the original menu(s) intact (ie navigationally-speaking).

[Gurm]

DVDShrink doesn't do menus. Period!

as stated above you are wrong. To go a step further you can even REAUTHOR in DVD Shrink, and still keep the original menu(s) intact (ie navigationally-speaking).

WHOA WHOA WHOA now we're getting into a little area I call "DVD Shrink Myths". Shrink will NOT let you reauthor and keep functional menus.