router inside a router ... need to network same workgroup

[lordsmurf]

I just put a wireless router into my wired router. Essentially to give free movement to my laptop.

I've now found that I cannot share files between the systems. They no longer see each other.

I've looked and read, but still cannot find my answer. Any help out there? Router experts?

[stiltman]

Not know what routers you're refering to, I'll give a kinda generic answer.

Does this look about right?
Router A = wired router = 192.168.1.1
Router B = wireless router = 192.168.2.1

If so, go into the routers config and set a route up to point to each router
Router A would have a static route to Router B and Router B would have a static route to Router A

[808smokey]

Usually if you go to the manufacturer website of the router they'll have some type of program you run through Iexplorer to set them up. They should also have tech support to answer that too.

[lordsmurf]

Wired router = 192.168.69.1 = computers use .101-.120
Wireless = 192.168.69.1 = computers use .37 and .38

Same 255.255.255.128 mask for both

Actually it's like this:

[stiltman]

First I would change the IP of the wireless router. might want to keep it on the same subnet if you want, but don't give them the same IP

Is there any reason you're subnetting 255.255.255.128? or is this because you want the router to have the same IP? Strange in any case

In your current setup the computers can't share files. Have you tried pinging or tracerouting to the other computer?

Are all the computers able to connect to the internet via the wired router?

I would start with pinging first. Make sure they can ping before you go forward with any changes. If you can't ping them now. I would change the IP of the wireless router and set the subnet to a standard class C

[lordsmurf]

They can all share with each other, with the single exception of the wireless network laptops unable to share with the others. Put them on the hub or wired routers, they're fine.

I can subnet back to 255.255.255.0, but shouldn't make much different.

All the computer can connect to WAN.

It's just the LAN butting heads across the two routers.

I even removed the hub, no difference.

Changing the wireless to 192.168.69.2 did nothing. It's still the same. LINKSYS suggested disabling DHCP on the wireless router, but that did nothing outside of removing WAN access. Still no LAN outside of itself.

I tried playing with other settings, DMZ, etc, but I don't really know what I'm doing beyond the networking basics.

[mujahid7ia]

If the hub is in a DMZ from the linksys, and the hub has dmz capability, can u put the netgear in that dmz?

[cammo2]

Might try this site for some info.

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/networking/multilan.htm

[edsmith77]

lordsmurf,
you need to make sure that both routers and computers are using the correct/same work group id. otherwise they will not be able to see one another.

[kosekjm]

Hi there,

So if I read this correctly, then the wired machines can talk amongst the wired machines. Can the wireless share amongst the wireless machines?
If so, you might have name resolution problems.

Most routers have nat (Network address translation) that if I remember correctly will figure out that 192.168.x.4 maps to pc1 and 192.168.x.5 maps to pc2. What may be happening, is that the wired linksysy can handle the nat translations for its dhcp clients, and the Netgear can handle the nat trans for it's machines, but the two routers aren't sharing that information between each other.

Questions:

Can you ping a wired machine by name from a wireless machine and vice-versa(sp?)for example (based off of your diagram) can laptop1 ping pc 1?
And can pc1 ping laptop1? My bet is that they can't by the machine's name.

Try the same test, but use each machine's IP address. My bet is that the numbers should work, but the names will fail.

I would also agree with stitlman and change the routers so they don't have the same ip as each other, that is a quick network showstopper, having duplicate ip's on the same network.

If the ping by number works and the ping by name fails, then you need to convince the routers to share their address info between them. Off hand, I can't think of how to do this between routers.

Give this a try and let me know what goes on. If the ping by ip works, you can also try mapping to your share by ip address instead of name. For example, instead of using net use z: \\pc1\share try using net use z: \\192.168.x.x\share

Best of luck.

kosekjm

[stiltman]

I would first break it down to the easiest setup. 1 computer on the wired network and 1 laptop on the wireless. Then I would try to ping each other by IPs (I'd set all IPs static to begin with). If you can't ping each other, try to ping the wireless router from the wired network computer. Then try to ping the wired router from the wireless network laptop.

Again I would set things up as simple as possible at first
wired router = 192.168.1.1 /24 ( /24 = 255.255.255.0)
wireless router = 192.168.1.2 /24
wired computer1 = 192.168.1.20 /24
wireless laptop1 = 192.168.1.21 /24


if pings work by IPs and not names, just create a "hosts" file and place it on each machine.

192.168.x.50 [tab] computername1
192.168.x.51 [tab] computername2
192.168.x.60 [tab] laptopname1
192.168.x.61 [tab] laptopname2

You get the idea.

[Hardcoreruss]

What is the model of the wireless router please ?

[cammo2]

"If you're going to use wireless or phone-line networking adapters in combination with an existing 10/100baseT network, you should realize that this will add another, separate network to your existing one, unless you use a bridge product to connect the two networks together.

If you don't use a bridge, then computers on each type of network won't be able to see computers on the other type of network, except for the computer where you have both types of network cards installed (most likely the Sharing computer). In addition, Internet sharing won't work for both of the networks."

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/networking/multilan.htm