VR mode DVD-RW

[marcopolo1]

I have some DVD-RW disks that were created on my Sony RDR GX7 in VR mode. PowerDVD XP plays them fine, but I cannot seem to get the data off them. I've tried DVD shrink, but it says it cannot understand the format.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Mark

[anzimike]

I believe Tmpenc author will open and re-author the files if they are in dvd compliant format eg 720X480. click on import dvd video. good luck.

[hech54]

Don't the two latest versions of DVDShrink read discs from all(?) DVD Recorders?....or is it just discs from Philips "style" DVD Recorders? I know it works on discs from my Philips DVDR985.

[marcopolo1]

Can't seem to find the import option in TMP Author and DVD shrink 1.3 won't read it, but cheers guys. Will keep looking for something

Mark

[hech54]

DVD shrink 1.3 won't read it, but cheers guys. Will keep looking for something

Mark

DVDShrink Version 3.1.4 is the one that began reading discs created in my Philips DVD Recorder.

[marcopolo1]

OK, I'm nearly there, using a ripping tool (smart ripper), but it says no DVD found, do I have to load some sort of aspi driver?

I have tried DVD decrypter, but this just converts it to an ISO

Thanks

Mark

[anzimike]

Here is what I do with vr files created on my pioneer dvr7000. Open tmpgdvdauthor (the free tmpenc encoding program is not the same as the authoring program which costs about $70 and it is well worth it). click on "create new project". and in the r side of the screen are 2 options 1. "import file" or 2. "import dvd video". click on "import dvd video" and look for yor vr file, it will see you vr folder conaining an RTAV folder.open the folder or disc where your files are located. it is very slow to read from dvd but much faster if files are on hd. if files are dvd compliant they will be opened and you can author them, if they are noncompliant you will get an error message. if you get the error message you will need to re-encode the files. there are several ways to do this but actually the ulead products are easy to use. trial version of ulead moviefactory can open vr files, but the catch is that it will only "see" the first chapter, so i would recommend deleting all chapters from the original video or rerecord it with the option to not insert any chapters. i have been agonizing over this same problem for months and this has been the most successful way to do this. hope this helps. if you have additional problems please e-mail or pm message. best of luck!

[gogolac]

Hello

I've got personnaly a sony RDR GX3.
Often I prefer recording in DVD video mode and then I can use DVDshrink.

If you really want to use DVD-RW VR mode, Nero vision express 2 can import the files.
If you don't want to use NVE to author your DVD, look in the temporary folder "C:\My documents\NeroVision\ImportedVideo"
You 'll see some .mpg files.
You can demultiplex them (I use TmpgEnc tools) and then you'll have some .M2V and .AC3 files that you can author easily with DVDLab for example.

[marcopolo1]

Well, I'm still getting nowhere. TMPDVDauthor doesn't give me any import options and Nero Express don't like it. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the disc being finalized.

Cheers

Mark

[leebo]

Why not do a search for VR?
It's a specialty format, for editing the video while it's still on the disc. Most DVD players can't play it. The files won't even show up in Windows unless you install UDF 2.01 drivers on your machine.

DVD Shrink is for DVD Video, not VR format.
You can try Ulead DVD studio or Workshop if TMPEGDVDAuthor isn't working for you. But supposedly DVDAuthor can import the files and even the chapter stops and re-author it into normal DVD video.

[hech54]

DVD Shrink is for DVD Video, not VR format.

Wow....you are extremely WRONG :



I use 3.1.4b DAILY with my Philips created DVD+RW's.

[marcopolo1]

Right, I've done searches on DVD VR and found bugger all, especially on this forum. I have DVD Shrink, this does not like the disc. I have tried the suggestions put forward and they do not work for me. I have explained adequately what I'm getting and getting nowhere fast. What may work for one format, may not work for another. Philips DVD+RW VR format is obviously different to DVD-RW VR on the Sony. Only other info I can give is that when the DVD-RW is in my DVD ROM drive, it labels it as a shareable CDROM for some bizarre reason.

Mark

[leebo]

Hey, does Shrink convert the DVD into Video format so it can be played on most DVD players?

And if so, does it keep the chapters of the original?

Mark, do a search for UDF 2.01 (I think thats the correct version). I believe Pinnacle has the driver somewhere on their web site. Install it and it should (might) help.

PS: How can one be "extremely" wrong? You're either wrong or you're right.

[Capmaster]

Hey, does Shrink convert the DVD into Video format so it can be played on most DVD players? And if so, does it keep the chapters of the original?

The format of the disc is up to the burning app. Shrink is just a clever authoring app that re-encodes. In Nero you can select "DVD-Video" or "DVD-ROM".

Shrink has always kept all the original formatting like chapters and such every time I've used it

[leebo]

Actually, I was asking Hech. As I stated b4, the DVD VR format is not the standard that all DVD players will play.
In this case, it's generally a special editable DVD format for set tops. There is no VIDEO_TS folder, no VOB's, so to speak. A burning program isn't going to change that.

[Capmaster]

Actually, I was asking Hech. As I stated b4, the DVD VR format is not the standard that all DVD players will play.
In this case, it's generally a special editable DVD format for set tops. There is no VIDEO_TS folder, no VOB's, so to speak. A burning program isn't going to change that.

Sorry. Sheesh! ....If it wasn't for the public why didn't you PM him?

[leebo]

Sorry. Sheesh! ....If it wasn't for the public why didn't you PM him?

Because this topic keeps coming up. The VR format hasn't really caught on, so you don't hear about it that often. Hopefully, in the future, someone who needs info will find these posts.

[gogolac]

Hi
Marcopolo says:

Well, I'm still getting nowhere. TMPDVDauthor doesn't give me any import options and Nero Express don't like it. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the disc being finalized.

Just a little precision, that's really "NeroVision express 2" I'm talking about (the authoring program) not Nero express.
In NVE choose "make DVD-video" and then you will have in the menu "import DVD-VR" then you can chooses the titles you want to import from your DVD-VR.
It seems to work well for me.
Hope it helps you.

[marcopolo1]

Gogolac, my mistake, I meant express. Now working, but it was because the DVDROM did not like the disc, moved it to the burner, hey presto, now importing. I'll be back if any more probs

Cheers

Mark

[leebo]

gogolac, how long does NVE take to make a new DVD (minus burning)? Assume a full or near full disc. It must re-encode the file, no?

And do you import the VR disc and set new chapters and make menus? Can it keep the chapter stops you've set when you created the VR disc?

[hech54]

Sorry. Sheesh! ....If it wasn't for the public why didn't you PM him?

Because this topic keeps coming up. The VR format hasn't really caught on, so you don't hear about it that often. Hopefully, in the future, someone who needs info will find these posts.

I personally don't think of VR as something that hasn't "caught on" or needs to "catch on". It is something that DVD "Recorders" do with + or - RW discs....period.
Prior to DVDShrink being able to work with my RW discs....using DVDDecrypter to get the discs contents to my computer worked well also.
I have never tried to open my VR's with TMPGEnc DVD Author directly....I will have to do more experimenting to check it out.
I also use Ulead Movie Factory 2's "Edit Disc" function....also a cool trick to do with my RW's. The contents of the disc never leaves the disc....all of my editing is done right ON the disc itself.
There have always been ways of dealing with VR discs...but if you don't own a DVD Recorder and a DVD Burner....you most likely will never deal with VR discs.
That is why VR will never "catch on".

[marcopolo1]

Well, thanks for all the help. All working fine, had all the software all the time, just didn't think of placing the disc in the DVDRW drive.

Hech54, as as far as VR mode catching on, well that's your personal opinion, it's another option on many DVD recorders, that give more flexible editing facilities (apparently), but does have issues when trying to play in other players. I think it has a far greater use that the crappy DVD-RAM recorders out there as a whole. Or maybe just another gimic that the few will use, we will see and only time will tell.

See ya

Mark

[leebo]

Prior to DVDShrink being able to work with my RW discs....using DVDDecrypter to get the discs contents to my computer worked well also.

But whats the point? You can simply use Windows Explorer to copy the folder to your HDD (unless these programs convert the files, which no one has reported, in this thread anyway).

[marcopolo1]

You can use Nero Vision Express to extract the video from the DVD, which creates a MPG file. You can then use whichever progam you wish to convert further, eg files which can be authored to DVD.

Mark

[leebo]

So no difference than using my current method, using Ulead to convert the VR file into mpeg.