is my computer crappy or just configured wrong?

[Jacob Grenoble]

It takes me between an 1 1/2 hours and an hour (depending on what size a dvd, and I never do deep analysis) to convert using dvdshrink. I input my computer specs into my profile so you can see what I have.

My question is some people say it takes them 30 mins to convert a dvd-9 with deep analysis, so it would lead me to believe either my computer blows or something is setup wrong?

Thanks

[sacajaweeda]

People tell lies alot too. Computer braggarts are alot like those people who tell fishing stories.

[bacardi/avt]

My computer usally takes about 30 min to do it using deep analysis...But then again it is pretty fast....2.8 GHz HT (FSB 800) with 1024 MB ram and the HDs I use are all ATA 100 WD with 8 Mb cach....

[Jayhawk]

If people are telling you they can do a DVD-9 start to finish including burning in 30 minutes then it's a "fish story" as sacajaweeda said.

First let me say that I have a dedicated backup machine (P4 2.4) with 1gig of memory. 7200 rpm hard-drives with 8mb cache, a Liteon 16X ripper and a Plextor 708A 8X burner (I burn at 4X or 2.4X). Input / output devices are all on dedicated channels to avoid any contention. Maybe not the fastest machine in the world but I would guess it to be at or above average for the forum.

Just for curiousity sake I just ripped Deep Impact (2 hour movie) with Decrypter. It took 13:30. Shrink (movie only) took slightly more than 11 minutes without deep analysis not counting the time it took to select movie and set up output file etc. I let Shrink start Nero for the burn to save time. The burn at 4X took 14 minutes. Total time = 39 minues. Consider that most of the folks on this forum burn at 2.4, 2.0, or even 1.0 than you can add 7, 14, 28 minutes to that time. Admittedly I used a 2 hour movie and a lot are 1.5 BUT I also used a dedicated machine and burned at 4X. The only way you're going to approach 30 minutes is on a 100 minute or less movie burning at 8X.

Having said all that Jacob, an hour and 1/2 is too long. The bottleneck is probably not the Plextor unless it's on the same channel as your hard drive so it's somewhere else and may be unavoidable. Depends on how you machine is set up.

Hope this helps put things in perspective. I hate fish stories.

[disturbed1]

I have an AMD 1333 OC'd to 1500, not too far off from your 1400. With 512mb ram.

If I stick a DVD9 in my Lite On 166 and use DVD Shrink to shrink from the DVD-ROM (not ripped to the HD) it takes ~55 minutes from start to finish using deep analysis.

If I rip to the HD first, it takes between 35-40 minutes, plus 10-12 minutes to rip to the HD.

I'd say your slow down is your DVD drive. You're ripping from your burner right? Many burners have a speed cap for ripping.


For camparison, my P4 1500 is about the same speed (+/- 1 minute), while my Cele 1700 is quite a bit slower (~10-15 minutes slower).
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It could be the compaq DVD-ROM.

Just replace it with a Lite On, $29 from Newegg.

[Shudder]

It all depends, but they may just be talking about the encoding.

For instance, it will still take most people 7-8 minutes to rip a DVD to the hard drive no matter what they have. If you have a 4x burner, that's another 15 minutes for the burning alone. So before you even get into the analysis, despite the speediest computer, you've got an overhead of 23 minutes already. The extra hour on my PC (athlonxp 1800) is pretty much straight deep analysis.

So the other people may be using dvddecrypter, which will of course not count towards DVDshrink's final time.

If you're using your DVD burner to rip DVDs, chances are it's locked at 2x ripping and there is just no way in hell it's going to take you less than 45 minutes for RIPPING ALONE. 9 gigs of data at 2x is going to take quite some time.

So you should provide us with a bit more information if you want a bit more detail in an answer. And you shouldn't disable deep analysis. You'll be watching the DVD, possibly even more than once, ther'es no reason to try to save 30-60 minutes up front to sacrifice long term quality (especially when transcoding in general is sacrificing some quality)

[marshalljames]

The bottleneck is probably not the Plextor unless it's on the same channel as your hard drive so it's somewhere else and may be unavoidable. Depends on how you machine is set up.



Yea make sure there not on the same IDE,
HD master IDE 1,Burner Master IDE 2......

30 minutes on my machine but then again its not an athalone most of the problem posters have athalones(don't know whether this because athalones are crap or because your all poor students trying to get the best bang for your buck)

[budz]

Check the Plextor forum site for some help.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=43&s=e3d67bccb6c790c7440e521cf3543d49

[andkiich]

I agree that there are a lot of exaggerations by some.

My specs are up to date, so you can check them there. I have never clocked the DVDShrink process with Deep Analysis before. I usually kick off the process and do something else.

I'm guessing that it takes roughly 40-50 minutes to rip/encode, then another 14 to burn.

I'll try watching the whole process once I get home and post actuals here later.

[Jacob Grenoble]

The 1 1/2 hours doesn't include burning, which my plextor does flawlessly at 4x on ritek G04's. With this setup I can burn all the way to the end with no problems.

My system has 2 ide channels with my two hard drives on one(40 gig as primary and a 120 gig as slave) had to do it this way becuase of my OS being on my original hard drive. And my plextor 708-A as master with my compaq dvd-rom as slave.

My system uses cable select so the drives aren't jumpered to these , just there placement along the cable dictates Master or slave (I think this is right tell me if I am wrong).

I also do all my ripping with my dvd-rom because if it does wear on the laser I would much rather replace it than my $200 burner, which also happens to be capped at 2x. So I think I am right in using my dvd-rom, meaning it is the fastest way.

Any additional info needed just ask in as simple and specific terms as possible, as I still am new to this stuff.

Thank you

P.S. The specs sheet that came with my computer also said that my dvd-rom is a 16 speed, just figure I would throw that in maybe it will help.

[Hardcoreruss]

I'd say that your problem lies with your hd

I am not bull'ing mine is 26 mins from start to finish

[disturbed1]

P.S. The specs sheet that came with my computer also said that my dvd-rom is a 16 speed, just figure I would throw that in maybe it will help.

What brand is your DVD Rom, DVD Decrypter and your device manager will tell you.

Some ROM units are just better than others. Also a few DVD-ROMs are also speed capped. Though they may have a max 16x read, during reading DVD-Video, the firmware can restrict the reading to 2x.

Check here for firmware hacks/patches/updates http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php

[Jayhawk]

There are very simple and specific ways to pin this bottleneck down to a given area. Your setup doesn't seem that bad other than C: & D: being on the same channel.

Rip with Decrypter from your Compaq to you C: or D: drive (whatever's normal for you). Decrypter will tell you what speed he's ripping at. Mine starts off around 4X, hits 7X, usually averages 5X. Process take 13 minutes or so. That's step #1.

Run Shrink using your output from above and specify disc output. In this case you probably want to go to the other drive (D: if you ripped to C. This might be where your channel contention comes into play. That's step #2.

Now burn from (D: if that's where you shrunk the file to) your HD to the Plextor at whatever speed you want. That's step #3.

Gotta point to the bottleneck. No way around it.

[Jacob Grenoble]

Disturbed I have a Compaq dvd-116, I looked at the site you linked to and it only spoke of dvd-region free. I am not sure that this is what you intended to improve my firmware, I mean that region probably doens't have much to do with speed of ripping right? I only have region 1 dvd's.

Jayhawk I will try your method which is similar to how I do it now except that I have been ripping to D and putting the output to D also. This might be the reason it is slow, don't you think?

Again I would like to thank everyone for the help, Disturbed you have answered every one of my questions on this forum I have ever asked, I think. Thank You

P.S. I am sorry Jayhawk but I have to root against your boys tonight, I have money on it. GO UAB

[disturbed1]

I've answered all of your questions I don't pay much attention to the posters names, just the question.


I wasn't speaking of region free, but sometimes there are patches for the DVD-ROM's firmware that removes speed limitations. (Such as with Toshiba DVD-ROM units).

As suggested above, try ripping with DVD Decrypter to your hard drive. If the speed is rather slow, then it is you ROM unit or hard drive holding you back. The fact that you have a Compaq with a 1400 CPU, suggests that the PC is starting to age, perhaps the DVD-ROM is wearing out. This happened to my Pioneer 116, once a speed demon, now chugs along at 3-4x. Though a Lite On 166 may or may not be the best unit, at $29/ea, it's hard to justify another purchase.

Also be sure and check DMA settings in your device manager. If its set for PIO mode, this will cause slow rip speeds. There's many, many posts on DMA and PIO settings in this forum, so I won't repeat here.

[handyguy]

"DVD-ROM: Compaq came with computer"

Its probably a 8x so its reading at 8x & an hour or hour & a half is the right amount of time at 8x reading & 1.4ghz puter.

[Jacob Grenoble]

Ok so I ripped a dvd I own to my c: drive using dvd Decryptor
That took 17mins and 22 seconds
Then I used those files in conjunction with dvd shrink with the output going to my other hard drive, that took 59 mins.

Total time using my supposed 16x Compaq dvd-rom was 1 hour 16.5 minutes.

Then I tried not ripping it to my harddrive just using Open disk in dvdshrink and this process only took 1hr 12 mins. I was under the impression that ripping it first would be faster, but I guess not, Anyone know why?

Just for sh*t's and giggles I tried ripping the movie in my plex 708-a and it took 15mins 42 secs, no big difference at all (dvd decryptor said it ripped avg. 5.3x and max 7.5x) This speed was achieved by using the hold eject bitton trick.

So do you think I should just buy a new dvd-rom, or maybe that won't even help my speed, or what?

Thanks

[BobV]

It takes my 1.6ghz athlon about 30 min to convert without doing a deep analysis.

[disturbed1]

So do you think I should just buy a new dvd-rom, or maybe that won't even help my speed, or what?

Thanks

I don't think it would help it a great deal. I was mainly looking for you to say it took 30-45 minutes to rip the disc with DVD Decrypter. This would indicate a DVD-ROM and/or a DMA problem. Though getting a new DVD-ROM would rip a little faster, it would only shave 5 minutes, upto 10 in extreme cases, off your current times.

Your times are about right. As I posted above, with an AMD 1333@1500 it takes just under an hour, you're taking just above an hour. Like others stated, people like to brag, so you can ignore those my PIII 500 does it in 20 minutes types of posts.

I'd upgrade your CPU. Check your motherboard specs to see what the fastest CPU is that it can take. Most first gen socket A MBs will take upto a 2600+XP @ 266 FSB. You should be able to find a 2400+ ~$60-$70.

You can use SiSandra to get the details about your board.

[Jacob Grenoble]

I downloaded a program called AIDA32 which gave me all kinds of info about my computer, is this the same thing or should I download this program you speak of, also when I do find info about my motherboard where should I go to buy a new one and find out which will comply with my existing motherboard?

Here is the info from AIDA32

Motherboard:
CPU Type AMD Athlon-PECM, 1400 MHz (5.25 x 267)
Motherboard Name Compaq Compaq PC
Motherboard Chipset AMD-760
System Memory 512 MB (DDR SDRAM)
BIOS Type Compaq (03/28/02)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
Communication Port ECP Printer Port (LPT1)

[ Motherboard ]

Motherboard Properties:
Manufacturer Compaq
Product 070Ch
Version None
Serial Number None

There is tons of other stuff in this report so If you need more info just tell me

Thanks for the help again

[shelbyGT]

Using my computer (spec links above), ripping a movie with dvdshrink using deep analysis takes, on average, 25ish minutes. I've had plenty take just about 20. However, like Jayhawk stated, the burning time (4x) is about 14-15 minutes on top of that. Guess it has a lot to do with your setup.

[Bob W]

Using my computer (spec links above), ripping a movie with dvdshrink using deep analysis takes, on average, 25ish minutes. I've had plenty take just about 20. However, like Jayhawk stated, the burning time (4x) is about 14-15 minutes on top of that. Guess it has a lot to do with your setup.

I get similar times, perhaps a bit faster on my P2.4Ghz system. About 20 minutes for a DVD9 and around 15 minutes for a DVD5 using DVDshrink. I think this is due to my fast LiteOn DVD drive as it take double those times if I use my Sony or NEC DVD drives.

[disturbed1]

I believe most AMD 760 chipset motherboards only supply multipliers upto 12.5x (1.67GHZ or 2000+).

It would be best to either search Compaq's site, or email/phone them to see what CPU your board will support. A jump from 1400 to 1670 would be an increase, but not worth the time IMO

You could decide to get a new Motherboard and CPU combo, but you might have to get a new case too, {sarcasim}and hell just build/buy a whole new computer{/sarcasim}. Seriously though, you might find a combo for a 2400+ and MB for $100-$125.

I'm sure you could dig up some deals on a few bare bones bundles with 2.4GHZ P4 for a couple of hundred more. Don't know what you're in the market for.

[northcat_8]

It seems as though your processor is gummed up quite a bit. I read through all the posts but I am not the most proficient reader so if these have already been suggested then I appologize.

Are your HD's set on DMA?
Control panel > system > hardware tab > device manager > IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers. Your HD's are on the Primary IDE channel , double click, go to advanced settings tab and make sure it says DMA enabled rather than PIO.

I would also check the fragmentation of your HD's....

Close all background tasks. Right click the clock in the lower right hand corner and go to task manager. Close just about everything that says "administrator" beside it...if XP needs it, it will restart it...don't close "explorer" that's your OS GUI!!


You are going to be losing some speed because you have your 120 GB HD on the same IDE channel as your OS drive. You may see a speed increase if you move the 120 the slave on the secondary IDE channel and bring your burner to the first. That way your PC can read and write simultaneously (tech guys, save it, I know not EXACTLY simultaneously but you know what I mean) from the OS drive to the 120 and when you burn you are burning from the secondary channel to the first.

I would also go into the BIOS and see if you can't turn the cable select off and then jumper your drives properly. I'm not sure if it is a speed slow down or not but it seems to me that your CPU is having to find the correct drive each time there is a function call for that drive. I'm not 100% on that but it would seem that way.


Also as others have stated, you are running a 1.4 and it is going to be slower than others. 1.5 hours seems long, but that's what IC7 takes on my blazing fast 1.8 rig. You could overclock your PC...but that's a whole other ball of wax.

You should check out www.blackviper.com for some tweaks for XP that will help speed up your system.

[sacajaweeda]

Tweaking XP for NLE:

http://www.videoguys.com/WinXP.html

2K:

http://www.videoguys.com/Win2K_Tweaks.html