sony dual layer writers out by 2nd quarter?

[yoda21000]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/zd/20040317/tc_zd/121874

This would be interesting. It would depend on how long dual layer media would be ready, but it seems Sony would like to push this drive out as soon as possible. I'll surely be there to pick one up.

[PhilipL]

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[kabanero]

Here is PhilipL, DVD-MINUS fan boy again.

And, as usual, with the post full of bull shit.

...why else launch hardware as a double-layer capable but without the firmware to enable it?

It is going to be at least a further 6-12 months before double-layer recording is possible without having first to track down rare and expensive blanks, only to find you have a coaster at the end of it due to not using the correct firmware and having bugs in your authoring software.

PhilipL, how the f@#k do you know???? Are you extrasense????

[ViRaL1]

Seems more like hindsight to me.

[kabanero]

PhilipL,

Here is some hindsight reading for you:

Why DVD+R(W) is superior to DVD-R(W):
http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/113

High speed DVD-RW media incompatibility with old drives:
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/9334

[KDH]

Hi


Faster 16x speed media (DVD-R and +R) are also facing the same delays.



Regards

Philip

I have seen no press releases about 16x DVD-R or DVD-R DL media.
It's not even mentioned in Ritek's announcements which include HD-DVD and BluRay

The link PhilipL posted above
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/9363

the author says
"Although it is not said explicitly in the original article, we only deal with Plus-media. Now I'm asking myself what is happening to DVD-R. As almost no 8x media is available yet, one does not dare about thinking of dual layer or 16x media. So the DVD forum will have to hurry up if they want to stay competitive as it currently looks like plus and minus will coexist, but without further and particularly faster improvements, minus media may still fall behind. "

Expect many more announcements from Philip along the lines of
"Please don't buy any of these 16x / DL +R writers they're bound to be crap-but you can when DVD-R DL comes along cos that'll be great!"

Pioneer have announced that the AO8 will have DVD+R DL capability so it must be good enough for them.

KDH

[-jsl-]

+RW Alliance are not allowed to use the term dual-layer

Jeez, if you're going to make up things at least try with good lies...

[PhilipL]

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[kabanero]

PhilipL

What the f^%k is DVD logo? I've never heard of it. Could you show it to me, please?

At least, provide links to back up your bull shit.
Can you provide link to DVD forum law that prohibits DVD +RW Alliance to call its "double-layer" disk as dual-layer?

[KDH]

Names and Logos have little bearing on this..............Surely it's who produces the product that works better(and to a certain extent first?)

Pioneer I believe have a stake in the BluRay group-so there won't be any HD-DVD logos on their products.........obviously they'll be crap too?

KDH

PS You can now read a summary of the main CeBIT announcements here(including some rather vague stuff from Pioneer)

http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/140

[ViRaL1]

Surely it's who produces the product that works better(and to a certain extent first?)KDH

Ever heard of Betamax?

Just a sidenote...here's the DVD logo....the one you WON'T see at the DVD Alliance (DVD+R/RW) homepage.



P.S. - I use both so I'm not about to get in the middle of anyone's +R vs -R war.

[KDH]

VHS had a better Logo................

[MeTaLgEaRsOoTy]

i prefer the playboy logo....

[jaxxboss]

Phil you say THE DVD LOGO using the definate article singular, which implies that there is only one logo. Well you're wrong. +R does not use the -R logo thats a no brainer , just like coke dont use pepsi logos. While your statement is true it is also purposely misleading to the untrained eye.
You will NEVER see the -R discs with this logo

[-jsl-]

Jeez, that's right, I completely made it up, and so the real reason is that the RW Alliance calls its dual-layer disc "double-layer" is......<jsl to insert answer here>.

Probably they used "double" instead of "dual" to not risk confusion with terms like "dual format", "dual rw", "dual DVD writer" etc. as some companies already call their DVD±R/RW writers.
FYI DVD forum's logo is trademarked while that will not be easy to do with a general term like "dual layer". Not even the term DVD is trademarked.

Nice to see we have the same few people providing constructive comments as usual, you know if you haven't anything intelligent to say, it is okay to say nothing, but then if you did that, where would be the fun

Good to know we have you to provide all the constructive comments then...

[IremainAMisterE]

Looks like Pioneer is the only hope for us -R heads out there.
I don't think im gonna be jumping on these dual layer drives like i did with the 8x. Im not saying im not happy with 8x cause my Pioneer 107 was a great investment. But i think if i do decide to go with a DL burner, it wont be til late this year and i might go with a Sony/BenQ. However Phillips does seem to know what they're doing with this DL stuff, so maybe ill jump on a Phillips right away. *shrug*
I would wait on Pioneer but they're the last ones to be distributing and w/out any performance differences from the competition releasing months before, except 1x -R? Who knows, there probably will be a firmware upgrade for DL 2x -R from them.

Agghhh whatever, im driving myself nuts thinking about this crap! All i know is, i wont buy one til atleast late summer when the media comes out in full force and Newegg has some sales.

[Faustus]

Well I plan on buying a +R DL burner and PhillipL does have some of it correct actually.

It does appear as if it will be another month or 2 before an actual Dual layer burner is working. One will only get it via firmware update, the others will take a little longer to complete. They are trying to get the drives out there before the tech is finished, and the +RW alliance HAD done that before with the orginal +RW only burners.

On the same note like I said I am buying one, but I am also glad to hear that Pioneer claims that -R DL burning will be at 2x instead of the originally projected 1x (yuck)

So the moral of the story? If your not just a die hard or in need of it now wait at least 2 months on Dual Layer tech, see what happens.

[_JW_]

From the Sony article:

DVD+R DL discs, when recorded, are also fully compliant DVD9 discs, and therefore compatible with most consumer DVD video players and DVD-ROM drives.

So if this is the case, whocares really if its +R or -R?

[handyguy]

Sony doesn't make them anymore so itll be some other brand with their name on it.

[PhilipL]

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[jaxxboss]

Whats your point? That -R is better than +R , that +R double layer wont be here until -R dual layer will be here? That you think you were right all along? (can u be that insecure?)

All benQ did was announce that they have a dual layer burner, but that the media wont be avilable for some time. Hey, the +R community cant help it if their vastly superior technology is swiftly coming into production much quicker than the media can be made.

[PhilipL]

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[indolikaa]

Hey Philip!


What is your beef with the +RW Alliance? And I don't mean that in a negative 'flame your ass' way, I'm just curious. I just perused some of your previous posts. Dude, it's just a format. Are you the DVD Forum's resident hatchet man or what?

Come on, Phillips and Sony are behind the +RW Alliance. Like the world didn't expect a massive propoganda machine to come along with the deal?

[PhilipL]

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[indolikaa]

Just wondered.


I myself have found some of my more colorful postings widely distributed, in gross violation of expressed copyright of course, and then found people I don't even know e-mailing me and telling me what an ******* I am.

Such is the way of the truth-mongers, is it not?

[nicw]

DVD+R DL is much more than press releases or promises. Its very close now, I have already received a drive and media samples to help add compatibility into my program. The drive is a Liteon SOHW-832s running firmware V2V2 and the media is MKM 001 DVD+R DL 2.4x

On the other hand, I have been unable to determine any time frame for -R DL at all.

cheers
NicW

[kabanero]

Hi

...Of course it will not actually record to a "double" layer disc until the free firmware upgrade is released, not expected now until Q4/2004 and that could easily slip into Q1/Q2 2005 without too much imagination. ..

It will be no surprise to see all other double-layer +R annoucnements slip the same amount, and it will be interesting if a free firmware upgrade is ever released for these early drives, remember +R on first generation drives? This is the same tactic by the RW Alliance marketing team, and the firmware update for double layer +R has already slipped, let it be a warning to early adopters.

So it is all marketing and propaganda as usual from the RW Alliance, and many buy into it without learning. +R double-layer writing will not be here much sooner than the competing dash format, only the press-releases arrive quicker.

Looks like my previous post in this thread was right on the mark, and to think some people accuse me of talking rubbish. A rest my case pro + supporters

Regards

Philip

So, PhilipL,

Do you have anything else to say after nicw's post???

It proves again that all your posts is Pioneer and DVD Forum propaganda, bull shit, and your sick imagination

So long, PhilipL.

[PhilipL]

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[kabanero]

Look PhilipL,

There is even a special thread dedicated to your persona on DVDPlusRW.org forum:

http://www.dvdplusrw.org/cgi/forum/ikonboard.cgi?s=12457a35889c5c4d1cfad0a27103ca4d;ac...ST;f=3;t=10285

But I am surprised!

No more bitching about +RW format and DVD+RW Alliance in your post!

Wow!

Are you changing your world view?

[KDH]

The LiteOn SOHW-832S DVD+R DL would appear to be very close to becoming a reality

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/9552