What about those who help the pirates?

[alenhard]

(I PM'ed a few of the mods about this but never got a reply)

We still see a lot of posts from people requesting warex in the forums. Quite often I see that those who are asking the question get beat up fairly quickly (I'm known to jump on them as well). Way to go lads.

Invariably, however, someone else usually answers their question with a quick, "I'll send it to you," or, "this is the solution..." The people who help them out generally receive no punishment at all in the form of warnings, cards, etc.

If we really are concerned about preventing this board from becoming a warex hangout then why not give warnings to anyone invloved in the acquisition/use/distribution of illegal materials? Mods? Anyone? If Baldrick wants it one way or another, I don't care. It's his site (thanks, by the way). But I do think the issue should be addressed.

[Will Hay]

What the hell is warex?
Am I behind the times?
If you're talking about warez...

I agree with you, but in all the time I've been here I've never seen it.
I doubt it's such a big problem.
The moderators can't address everything, and they rely on those members who scan the forums looking for something to complain about.
To those moderator-wannabies I say; bravo, keep up the leaching.

I also think anyone who starts beating up a user for discussing warez should also recieve a warning.
It's nothing to do with you, your job (if you choose to accept it) is to report it to the mods and let them deal with it.
By all means point out the fact these people are violating the AUP, but nothing more.
Will Hay

[jeex]

i agree with will. the way things are currently being handled is fine.

[Hardcoreruss]

i agree with will. the way things are currently being handled is fine.

As here, leave it to the mods, they do a good job.

If you want to be a policeman report it to them do not bleat on about it here.

[pacmania_2001]

Alenhard, send me a message next time, I'm a uni student (read: bludger) and generally around the computer more often so I can usually respond faster than those mods who have full time jobs.

If the situation arises, report it. Most of the times the mods/admin will shut down the topic and issue a warning. If their has been a post by another user saying something like "Check your PM for a solution " then the issue will generally be raised in the private moderator forum and Baldrick can investigate into the PM inboxes of the users involved. Currently (despite my power mad attempts to get him to change that ) he is the only one with access to user's PMs and he is a busy guy so sometimes it will be a week or so before anything can be done.

If something is found than the user may be warned however most of the time this isn't going to be seen by general users so whilst it may seem it goes unpunished that may not be the case.

It's nothing to do with you, your job (if you choose to accept it) is to report it to the mods and let them deal with it.
By all means point out the fact these people are violating the AUP, but nothing more.

Agreed, often it can be an innocent or ignorant mistake on the part of the user or in other cases the thread may not even be in violation of the AUP and the user is unfairly bashed.

I think the "Report problem members/posts/threads" link has been very effective in terms of helping to moderate the site and catch those posts that escape our normal browsing. Hell, usually by the time I get an email saying a post has been made in that thread another mod has come in and taken the appropriate action.

[Rookie64]

I'm the person who sent a PM to Mob about the Andy font, and not only was this done in private, it wasn't done even in PM - we took it to e-mail.

The font in question is distributed freely on the 'net -

http://www.1001freefonts.com/buyfonts/Andy-Bold.htm


I take issue with being accused of warez when the file is freeware.

Was only trying to help out, and I believe that is the purpose of the site.
I'm well aware of the forum rules and the law...and this was not in violation of either.


well...at least it was freeware when I originally downloaded it.
It's since been removed from that site...so I appolagize

[Will Hay]

I really wish you hadn't said it was you who kindly sent the guy the font.
You did a good thing and I really hope this pointless thread was not in response to your selfless act.
If I'd have been able I'd have sent him it too, you don't need to apologise.

Will Hay

Baldrick can investigate into the PM inboxes of the users involved. Currently (despite my power mad attempts to get him to change that

I really hope you're joking.
Whilst I have nothing to hide, the day anyone but Baldrick is allowed to access private inboxes is the day I leave the site.
Will Hay, waiting for the inevitable 'good riddance with emoticon' response from pacmania

[pacmania_2001]

Yes Will, you'll be relieved to know that I'm joking.

Or am I???? Muahahahahaha (dammit, we need an evil genius smiley)

[Will Hay]

Or am I???? Muahahahahaha (dammit, we need an evil genius smiley)

Made me laugh, but why do people use this small text?
Will

[alenhard]

I take issue with being accused of warez when the file is freeware.

Was only trying to help out, and I believe that is the purpose of the site.
I'm well aware of the forum rules and the law...and this was not in violation of either.

In no way am I accusing you of anything wrong. In that thread it was suggested that wareZ (@will hay- why spell it out? That's just one more hit on google for the kiddies who are looking for it) were involved. It just reminded me of some other threads I had seen lately where people openly assisted wrongful requests.

To all (especially Will since he thought the thread was so useless): I don't care if this site becomes a wareZ hangout. It's not mine! The question I wanted to bring up was, "if we really are so concerned about wareZ requests, why not discipline those who assist when a request is made or a question asked?"

It's really simple, and I still think it's an issue that should be addressed. If the mods are doing something about it then I think that's great. But I've never cared enough to report anyone or anything to the mods, nor to the problem posts/threads whatever.

It was funny that the number 1 "moderator-wannabie" was the first to point fingers at me for bringing this up!

Simple question, really. Still don't know why many people have taken it so poorly.

[Will Hay]

will hay- why spell it out? That's just one more hit on google for the kiddies who are looking for it

Good tip, I'll remember that, didn't realise.

especially Will since he thought the thread was so useless

It's pointless, I never said useless

It's really simple, and I still think it's an issue that should be addressed.

The simple part is that it's not a major problem, it is addressed and if you choose you can play your part, like everyone else, in stamping it out.

And then you say...

...I've never cared enough to report anyone or anything to the mods

That is the part that confuses me completely.
If you don't give a shit, why make the point?

It was funny that the number 1 "moderator-wannabie" was the first to point fingers at me for bringing this up!

I'm guessing this is aimed at me, so in response...
...you've clearly not read many of my posts.
How on earth you form that opinion is beyond me.
Please, sincerely, show me a post whereupon I demonstrate a desire to be a moderator and I'll show you ten posts that contradict it.

Simple question, really. Still don't know why many people have taken it so poorly.

Another one that baffles me.
If you didn't want discussion and opinion why post?


Hang on, I better put one of these in somewhere ..........

Will Hay, moderator-wannabie apparently

[Capmaster]

It was funny that the number 1 "moderator-wannabie" was the first to point fingers at me for bringing this up!

I think that's way off the mark. Will is guilty of being a rude, obnoxious, close-minded, narrow-sighted, up-tight, anal-retentive, OCD thumb-sucker, like me, but NEVER a moderator wanna-be.

Just kidding Will You're not up-tight

[pacmania_2001]

Made me laugh, but why do people use this small text?

It's like a hidden joke on the Simpsons, only those that pay close attention get it. Normally I disguise my hidden text better but I was feeling lazy at the time.

And girls, lets keep this civilised.

[bugster]

It's really simple, and I still think it's an issue that should be addressed. If the mods are doing something about it then I think that's great. But I've never cared enough to report anyone or anything to the mods, nor to the problem posts/threads whatever.

It's really simple, and it is being addressed.

If you see something that you believe violates the AUP, click the 'report this post' link and report it. All mods watch this thread and so will get and e-mail as soon as a report is posted. Most of the time a mod will act on this within a short period of time if any action is deemed necessary.

If you have some concern about your Username appearing in a publicly visible 'grass on other users' thread (if thats how you see it), by all means PM a mod or two but expect the response time to be somewhat slower.

If you don't care enough about an issue to report it, thats up to you. But if that is case why post this thread in the 1st place

The issue of warez is taken seriously by the mods as we don't want to give any of the 'anti-piracy' type organizations reason to try and shut this site down, understand?

[Will Hay]

Made me laugh, but why do people use this small text?

It's like a hidden joke on the Simpsons, only those that pay close attention get it.

I see

And girls, lets keep this civilised.

You were right, you are power mad!
Will

[Will Hay]

It was funny that the number 1 "moderator-wannabie" was the first to point fingers at me for bringing this up!

I think that's way off the mark. Will is guilty of being a rude, obnoxious, close-minded, narrow-sighted, up-tight, anal-retentive, OCD thumb-sucker, like me, but NEVER a moderator wanna-be.

Jesus, are we related?
You have me completely sewn-up!!!!!!!!
Are you a shrink by day?
Only my mother knows me that well.

Just kidding Will You're not up-tight

[Capmaster]

It was funny that the number 1 "moderator-wannabie" was the first to point fingers at me for bringing this up!

I think that's way off the mark. Will is guilty of being a rude, obnoxious, close-minded, narrow-sighted, up-tight, anal-retentive, OCD thumb-sucker, like me, but NEVER a moderator wanna-be.

Jesus, are we related?
You have me completely sewn-up!!!!!!!!
Are you a shrink by day?
Only my mother knows me that well.

Just kidding Will You're not up-tight

Wow ....it was a wild guess ...those are MY qualities

[alenhard]

The issue of warez is taken seriously by the mods as we don't want to give any of the 'anti-piracy' type organizations reason to try and shut this site down, understand?

Precisely! I understand that, and that's the whole reason I asked this question. I don't care enough to report someone for warez because I know someone else always will.

Pacmania clearly stated that the mods DO address this when it happens, so that's great for them and for the site. That's all I was interested in knowing.

The perception sometimes is that it isn't bad to help someone out with warez, as long as you aren't the one who's asking. I think that would certainly be an issue that anyone involved in this forum would want to see addressed (those of us who enjoy coming here). But like I said, I'm not the one calling the shots around here, so it doesn't concern me what the mods do about it. I woud think, however, that it is in their best interest to address it. That's why I brought it up.

[housepig]

I really wish you hadn't said it was you who kindly sent the guy the font.
You did a good thing and I really hope this pointless thread was not in response to your selfless act.
If I'd have been able I'd have sent him it too, you don't need to apologise.

Will, I'm curious - if I posted that I reformatted my computer, and that my copy of Premiere got wiped out, and my dog ate my install disc, and Adobe wasn't being nice about setting me up with a new copy, would it be okay if I trolled here looking for a free copy?

The only difference here is scale - $25/10k for a font vs. $500 or whatever / 200Mb for Premiere.

[Will Hay]

I don't care enough to report someone for warez because I know someone else always will.

Please, it's warex

I really wish you hadn't said it was you who kindly sent the guy the font.
You did a good thing and I really hope this pointless thread was not in response to your selfless act.
If I'd have been able I'd have sent him it too, you don't need to apologise.

Will, I'm curious - if I posted that I reformatted my computer, and that my copy of Premiere got wiped out, and my dog ate my install disc, and Adobe wasn't being nice about setting me up with a new copy, would it be okay if I trolled here looking for a free copy?

The only difference here is scale - $25/10k for a font vs. $500 or whatever / 200Mb for Premiere.

At the time it was suggested the font was freeware, was it not?
Now I'm curious as to your point.
I understand your ethic, but not in this case.
Will

I'm the person who sent a PM to Mob about the Andy font, and not only was this done in private, it wasn't done even in PM - we took it to e-mail.

The font in question is distributed freely on the 'net -

http://www.1001freefonts.com/buyfonts/Andy-Bold.htm


I take issue with being accused of warez when the file is freeware.

[alenhard]

I don't care enough to report someone for warez because I know someone else always will.

Please, it's warex

Right. That point had been lost on some so I figured why bother anymore.

[Will Hay]

I don't care enough to report someone for warez because I know someone else always will.

Please, it's warex

Right. That point had been lost on some so I figured why bother anymore.

Ever thought of a 'sense of humour bypass' type signature?
Will Hay

[housepig]

At the time it was suggested the font was freeware, was it not?
Now I'm curious as to your point.
I understand your ethic, but not in this case.
Will

The font in question is distributed freely on the 'net -

http://www.1001freefonts.com/buyfonts/Andy-Bold.htm

If you click on the link, and follow the link to "download the font", you're taken to the same place I recommended in the first place - fonts.com, where you are invited to buy the font. It's not freeware.

[Will Hay]

At the time it was suggested the font was freeware, was it not?
Now I'm curious as to your point.
I understand your ethic, but not in this case.
Will

The font in question is distributed freely on the 'net -

http://www.1001freefonts.com/buyfonts/Andy-Bold.htm

If you click on the link, and follow the link to "download the font", you're taken to the same place I recommended in the first place - fonts.com, where you are invited to buy the font. It's not freeware.

I didn't know that, I can only comment on what I see, I take what I read in good faith, I don't have the time to research the net as to the validity of each statement
As I said, your point is valid.
Will Hay

[Hardcoreruss]

I don't care enough to report someone for warez because I know someone else always will.

Please, it's warex :lol

Absolutely brilliant, I am rolling

[Rookie64]

At the time it was suggested the font was freeware, was it not?
Now I'm curious as to your point.
I understand your ethic, but not in this case.
Will

The font in question is distributed freely on the 'net -

http://www.1001freefonts.com/buyfonts/Andy-Bold.htm

If you click on the link, and follow the link to "download the font", you're taken to the same place I recommended in the first place - fonts.com, where you are invited to buy the font. It's not freeware.

I didn't know that, I can only comment on what I see, I take what I read in good faith, I don't have the time to research the net as to the validity of each statement
As I said, your point is valid.
Will Hay

Just to clear up any confusion, I had downloaded that font from a free font site a while back (my file is dated May 19, 1999)
It was available for download at the time.
I had no reason to think it was a commercial font.
The legal owners obviously had the file removed from any sites distributing it, and it now has a link to where it can be purchased.

My intentions were in the right place - I made the mistake of not checking into it.

Yes, I admit I was wrong for sending it and learned that I shouldn't take such things for granted.
It was an honest mistake.

If Baldrick wants to check my PM box, my message is still there...and you can see I had no knowledge of any warez from what I wrote.
I wasn't even sure I had the file he was looking for.
The message was sent before the followups were posted in response, so you can see I reacted on impulse.

I personally had no reason to question it at the time.

FWIW, I've only used sites such as,
http://www.fontavenue.com/
http://www.flamingtext.com/
www.1001freefonts.com/

to download fonts - I just assumed these were freeware and never had reason before to question it.


I'm not saying that it was OK...I know now I did something wrong and take the responsibility for my actions and apologize for it.

[Will Hay]

The 'font' issue should never have come up, has been massively over-stated and blown completely out of proportion.
Time to lay it to rest, IMO.

Will

[housepig]

@rookie64 -

that was evident from your previous post - yours does seem like an honest mistake. I took a different tack in that thread because the first link I found for the font showed it to be obviously a commercial font. And I will also say, if you look at your link, at first glance it appears to be a free font (which is why I hate that site you linked to! it makes everything look like a free font!)

@will -

2 things - my question was aimed at you because I can recall other instances where you came out strongly against warex* on this board, so the idea that fonts were to be excluded didn't make a lot of sense to me.

secondly, I disagree - I don't think this has been blown out of proportion, it's a perfectly good example of the kind of thing that the original poster started this thread about.. and also a good example of the kinds of assumptions that fly across this board from all sides!

( *warex... I like the sound of it... "wareks"... <snicker> )

[Will Hay]

....my question was aimed at you because I can recall other instances where you came out strongly against warex* on this board, so the idea that fonts were to be excluded didn't make a lot of sense to me.

That doesn't sound like me, although as you know I have an opinion on everything.
The correct opinion of course
I really don't remember ever being particulaly vocal about 'warecks', but perhaps, in a bad mood one day maybe

I don't think this has been blown out of proportion, it's a perfectly good example of the kind of thing that the original poster started this thread about.. and also a good example of the kinds of assumptions that fly across this board from all sides!

Then that's where we'll leave it

Will Hay

[mob]

hey guys, lets all calm down a bit and stop trying to make people look like bad guys.

I came here for help and that's exactly what I received.

My computer got slaughtered by a virus, and I needed that font to complete a huge report that I am doing in college. I reformatted the PC and couldn't backup a thing.

Thank god I printed the first 11 pages of the report before I got hit by the virus.

So, basically, I had a choice. Re-type everything, or get the font back and save myself some time.

I can't believe all this nonsense got started because of this. I'd like to say a few personal things to some people in this thread... but that would just be adding to it.