The advantages of using DVD Decrypter with DVD Shrink

[nickelzy]

I've been wondering why some people use DVD Decrypter along with DVD Shrink since it's not necessary. For those of you who do this, will you please help me understand why?

Tonight I felt like experimenting so I ripped a movie (Fight Club) using DVD Decrypter before using DVD Shrink. One thing that I noticed immediately was that the deep analysis took MUCH less time compared to when I only use DVD Shrink. In fact, it took only 17 minutes when usually it takes about 45 minutes or so. Why is this? What other advantages are there in using DVD Decrypter in conjunction with DVD Shrink?

[toronto098]

When you read off from a HD is much faster than DVD rom. Also don't forget to include the time you spent doing DVD Decrypter. Therefore it is 17 + x minutes together

[dafreak]

sometimes dvdshrink has trouble decrypting dvd's. most people like to rip to hd first before shrinking because it causes less wear on your dvd-rom drive. Not sure if the last statement is true or not, but i usually just use dvdshrink, unless it's a dvd-5 disk, then I'll rip to hd using dvd-decrypter and burn.

[nickelzy]

When you read off from a HD is much faster than DVD rom. Also don't forget to include the time you spent doing DVD Decrypter. Therefore it is 17 + x minutes together

Yeah, I figured that, but still, we're talking about 15-20 minutes faster in the total dvd copy process. To me, that's worth using dvd decrypter just for that reason alone.

Using DVD Decrypter it took approx. 17 1/2 minutes to rip the movie. DVD Shrink with deep analysis took approx. 34 1/2 minutes. Burning to dvd using CopytoDVD took about 17 minutes. Therefore, the total duplication process took about 1 hour and 9 minutes. That's DEFINITELY better than just using DVD Shrink alone. In fact, just for the heck of it, as soon as I get done writing this, I'm going to use DVD Shrink without DVD Decrypter and see exactly how long it takes. This way I can be more precise with the difference in time that it takes. I'll report back as soon as I'm finished.

[nickelzy]

Well, my experiment was interesting. Usually deep analysis takes about twice as long, but with this movie (Fight Club), it wasn't that much longer which sort of kills my statement above about the benefit of using DVD Decrypter in conjuction with DVD Shrink. In my experiment, using DVD Shrink alone, only took approx. 2 minutes longer. For me, that isn't enough time saving to warrant an extra step in the whole dvd duplication process. I'd rather just use DVD Shrink alone if this is going to be the case with other movies.

I'll try this comparision one more time with another movie later today and if anything is different, I'll follow up to this post.

[toronto098]

I am not sure about this, but I suspect some DVDs are made with faster media depending on the company, the batch, etc. The reason I say this is because I did notice some DVDs would give a max read speed of 10x to 14x on my 16x reader. But some of them are only reading at 2x to 3x.

I could be wrong here.

[VicodiN]

Ive heard about abstract problems existing every so often with DVDshrink and ripping... Ive never had a problem with ripping w/ DVDdecrypter, shrinking with DVDshrink, and burning with Nero.... Not one coaster in about a year of dvd burning. *knocks on wood*

Hence why I wont change my ways

[BSR]

I've had about 3 disks that DVDshrink wouldn't do so I just used DVD Decrypter and it worked fine.
DVD Decrypter is a dedicated program for decrypting and from my experience, it's just better at it. Or maybe it was just my version of DVDShrink at the time?
Use what works for you. It's like asking why some people use Ulead and why some use Pinnacle. It's whatever someone is familiar with, and what they know will work for them to get the end result.

[mob]

think about it, dvd decrypter is designed to do one thing.... RIP DVDs. And it is 1000 times more sophisticated than dvd shrink in doing what it does (Ripping)

Second, DVD Shrink will run alot smoother from the hard drive then from your dvd drive.

I read somewhere that even the author of dvd shrink recommends you rip using another program.

[nickelzy]

ok, thanks guys, I appreciate it. I'll probably go ahead and change my process to:

1. DVD Decrypter
2. DVD Shrink
3. CopytoDVD

Although this involves 3 steps, it's probably the best way to go (I guess). And please don't suggest using Nero with DVD Shrink - done that and had problems (hence the reason I now use CopytoDVD).

Thanks again for all of your thoughts

[daredevil]

Now, with the latest versions of both softs you can make an iso (with dvd decrypter if the dvd is less than 4.38GB or dvdshrink if more), burn the iso and verify your ISO.
You don't need any other software if you want to copy a dvd and they are freeware and give very good results.

[mmasw]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned that I've noticed is that DVD Decrypter seems to use quite a bit less system resources then DVDShrink.

I have an ATI AIW card and I can capture in MPG2 while at the same time using DVDDecrypter to rip a dvd to HD. And no frame loss in the capture.
Can't do that with DVDShrink.

Of course, part of that may be due to the fact that I have a Pioneer DVD Rom that is on a SCSI channel, and 3 hd's....so no possible logjams or conflict on the IDE bus where capturing is occuring.

[nickelzy]

Since we're talking about DVD Decrypter, does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions to the following problem...

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212206

[Jayhawk]

I don't have any thoughts on the thread as I never run across anything like that. I did just stumble upon a reason for possibly using both Shrink and Decrypter occasionally.

Was attempting to back up one of my originals last night with Decrypter ripping in file mode. About 28% in it went into retry mode with unreadable disc errors. Checked the disc and it had a scratch (possibly my sometimes careless daughter). Cleaned it, tried again, no dice. Decided to try Shrink and eliminate everything but the movie hoping the scratch might be in the extra, menus, etc. Worked great. So while I don't plan on using Shrink as a regular ripper, it came in handy this time.

On the other hand, one good reason for the Decrypter / Shrink combination is for those that do not like Nero, CD Creator, or can't afford them. Rip with Decrypter, Shrink to ISO, Burn with Decrypter. No need to mess with Nero's constant releases of versions.

[handyguy]

In the old days you needed to use Decryptor first cause shrink didn't decode from the source disk.