MAXELL 4x DVD-R at Walmart for dirt cheap

[richdvd]

Thanks Fulci!

[shelbyGT]

4th Class Media: Pathetic Garbage Media, landfill material, about 0-50% success rate:"

Yeah, I'm gonna trust this site

excuse me that I don't follow your opinion mr. smurf.

[FulciLives]

Do you know why these read errors do not translate into problems on computer or set top playback?

Yes, I do.

The pickup on the player is more lenient than the bit-for-bit read of a PC test. The DVD-ROM depends on your brand too. Cheaper ones don't care, and are bad for that reason.

Based on what you just said ... and also based on my own experiences and other things I've read etc. ... any DVD with any amount of read errors (using something like DVDInfoPro etc.) might have problematic playback but this depends on the severity of the read errors and the sensitivity of the the DVD player.

In short it might play back A-OK on some DVD players while other DVD players have issues be it a hic-up in the picture/sound or worse.

Would you say that is a correct assesment LordSmurf?

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[HyperYagami]

@Fulci, I don't know.

The TDKG02 are good. All I know.

I too thought they said "Made in Japan".

But I THINK I've seen TDK packs mislabeled, probably printed in bulk at one place. I've not bought any in a while.

There are 2 kinds of "good" TDK -Rs. The jewel-case kind is mostly (if not only) from Japan, while the spindles (15/25/50/100-pack (bought @ BestBuy/Target/etc., i.e., real TDK)) are from Taiwan and carry the TDKG02 media code as well. I have only the Taiwan kind and have way better luck with that then Ritek.

[lordsmurf]

4th Class Media: Pathetic Garbage Media, landfill material, about 0-50% success rate:"

Yeah, I'm gonna trust this site
excuse me that I don't follow your opinion mr. smurf.

Considering I'll never have to watch anything you make, it makes no difference to me whether you make good discs or gamble on potential coasters. It's there for you to ponder. What you do does not affect me in any way.

[shelbyGT]

back at ya.

[disturbed1]

Spare me Fulci.

I found a Ricoh "Japan" disk had problems at 4.30 gb on a 4.36 recording. So much for the "everything made in Japan is great" theory.

Ricoh media is made by Ritek in a Taiwan Ritek plant. Ricoh themselves are in Japan but contracted Ritek to make the media.

So it is Taiwan made media.

I found TDK 15pack spindels at Circuit City, made in Japan, Maxell 2x. All the jewel case and 25 pack spindels I saw say Taiwan.

[xcool]

My Memorex 'CMC' MADE IN TAIWAN 4X +R discs arrived today. Yeah, they were all CMC (I was expecting "Ritek" Memorex like before); after reading so many bad comments about CMC here, my blood pressure immediately went up. However, I compared them with my other 'Ritek' Memorex; I didn't see any difference: both were dark purple, very even all the way to the edge, no bubble like other commented.

I burned about 5 discs to their full capacity (4438MB) without any coaster using RecordNow (with data verification). They all played fine on my Denon 5000, Apex 1600 and Coby standalone DVD players. I ran the Kprobe and DVDInfoPro read tests at default max read speed. Noticing both tests indicated there were many errors. But then I had no problem copying the discs back to the hard drive at full speed 10X to 12X on my Lite-On DVD-ROM. So the Kprobe and DVDInfoPro were probably no accurate I thought. I mean if those read errors revealed by Kprobe and DVDInfoPro tests were real; my Lite-On would have to slow down to reread the data or the other ECC information to correct the error, and to reject if it encountered any uncorrectable error. To complete the analysis, I did the Kprobe and DVDInfoPro tests at slower speed like 4X &2X, this time both tests detected a lot less read errors (4X had the lowest). My conclusion was Kprobe and DVDInfoPro are very subjective at different speed. I got similar results from Imation, Verbatim, and Sony 4X +R discs.

The point here is Memorex, Imation and others NOT MADE IN JAPAN +R 4X are equallly as good but much less expensive. If you want to save yourself few buck, pay 65 cents for a Memorex or Imation 4X +R disc; or 160 cents for Maxell -R. I think the choice is simple.

If you care/want to disagree, please provide some facts or test results. Don't just give that overly generalized statement; and this is not the court, don't try to win your case by technicality .

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For my test, I used HP 300e 4X &Khypermedia 8X +R only burners and 16X Lite-On DVD-ROM.

[FulciLives]

The point here is Memorex, Imation and others NOT MADE IN JAPAN +R 4X are equallly as good but much less expensive. If you want to save yourself few buck, pay 65 cents for a Memorex or Imation 4X +R disc; or 160 cents for Maxell -R. I think the choice is simple.

If you care/want to disagree, please provide some facts or test results. Don't just give that overly generalized statement; and this is not the court, don't try to win your case by technicality

You are so silly :P

There is the crap that you use and the good stuff ...

Read and weep

MAXELL 4x DVD-R (MADE IN JAPAN)

READ ERROR TEST with DVDInfoPro ... NO ERRORS



SPEED TEST with DVDInfoPro ... NO ERRORS



I had to reduce the screen caps down to 80% and use heavy JPG compression to get them to a size that I could post here but I think you can still make out the detail.

Again NO ERRORS ... as in ZERO

Suck it down my friend ... suck it down.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
2 Photos have been added to this post. This post is now finished.

[richdvd]

No offense to be taken by this....I have had much better luck with the Memorex CMCs that any Japanese media. Maybe my burner just likes CMCs alot. Who knows?

[FulciLives]

No offense to be taken by this....I have had much better luck with the Memorex CMCs that any Japanese media. Maybe my burner just likes CMCs alot. Who knows?

How is this a true statement?

You said earlier in this thread that you had trouble with a 50 pack of FUJI DVD-R discs but then I pointed out that your 50 pack of FUJI DVD-R discs had to be MADE IN TAIWAN because FUJI only offers the MADE IN JAPAN aka Taiyo Yuden DVD-R discs in smaller packs.

So what MADE IN JAPAN DVD-R media have you used that gave you a problem?

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[richdvd]

You said earlier in this thread that you had trouble with a 50 pack of FUJI DVD-R discs

I said TYs..not Fuji. You are putting words in my mouth. And they weren't MADE IN TAIWAN. They were a 50 pk of TYs MADE IN JAPAN. I bought them from rima.

[FulciLives]

You said earlier in this thread that you had trouble with a 50 pack of FUJI DVD-R discs

I said TYs..not Fuji. You are putting words in my mouth. And they weren't MADE IN TAIWAN.

Well that makes you the only single person who has ever said anything negative about Taiyo Yuden discs ... except maybe those who complain about the price

Anyways I have never ever heard of anyone having trouble with Taiyo Yuden and I have used many myself without any issues so you will forgive me if I take your comment with a grain of salt as the saying goes.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[richdvd]

Anyways I have never ever heard of anyone having trouble with Taiyo Yuden

Me neither...either I had a bad batch, or my burner just didn't like them. I have a TDK 440N burner with the latest firmware.

[budz]

Use whatever dvd media that works for you! What may not work for 1 could work for others. $18.64 @ my local wally worlds for maxell 4x spd DVD-R. I'll be waiting for OFFICE DEPOT to put the maxell's on sale again which was $28.00 for 2 (15) spindles.

[shelbyGT]

i didn't run mine on my 1300a, so I don't know if that makes a difference.

But that is a 1 year old Memorex CMC disc burnt near capacity. Looks just like your picture.

[FulciLives]

*** IMAGE NOT REPEATED ***

i didn't run mine on my 1300a, so I don't know if that makes a difference.

But that is a 1 year old Memorex CMC disc burnt near capacity. Looks just like your picture.

Why is the MEDIA ID missing from your pic?

That seems very odd to me!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[jaxxboss]

[shelbyGT]

because I used an already burnt dvd, not a blank one. Trust me, it's a memorex cmc. If I had more on hand, I'd post the results from a blank one, not a burnt one. However, I don't at the moment.

/edit - wrong, it's because i did the test on my dvd-rom, not on my dvd burner. Here is a pic of the actual media info: (man I suck at editing these things)

[richdvd]

Are Prodisc03 better than CMC? This is info from a Memorex-R

[LRD]

I didn't mean to start an all out war regarding media. I was just trying to add to Fulci's kind post about good prices on media. I was unaware of the difference in media manufacturing at the time.

That having been said, I have run some more tests on the CMC and Ricoh "Memorex" media that showed read errors on my home "burning" machine. The DVDinfopro program on my new office HP computer disclosed no read errors on the same media. Thus, it appears Smurf was right that my home DVD drive (a TDK DVDRW420N ) was responsible for the read errors at the edge of the recordings. As reported previously, both disks play just fine on the computer and set top.

I still am not happy CMC 2.4x speed disks were sold to me as 4x speed disks. Has anyone else run into the same thing? Xcool, what were you sold?

Thanks

LRD

LRD

[LRD]

I have seen a bunch of test screen shots of successful CMC burns. However most if not all are at capacities under 4.36gb. My read errors did nit begin until I reached the 4.34gb level. Any successful read tests out there at full capacity?

LRD

[shelbyGT]

I have seen a bunch of test screen shots of successful CMC burns. However most if not all are at capacities under 4.36gb. My read errors did nit begin until I reached the 4.34gb level. Any successful read tests out there at full capacity?

LRD

the screen shot posted above was almost at full capacity (okay, so in Roxio it said there were an additional 16.7 MB left on the disk before I burnt it, but that is what it always says. Pretty much all of my CMC's are burnt at max, and they all still play till the end.

[LRD]

Thanks for the reply GT.

LRD

[disturbed1]

the screen shot posted above was almost at full capacity (okay, so in Roxio it said there were an additional 16.7 MB left on the disk before I burnt it, but that is what it always says. Pretty much all of my CMC's are burnt at max, and they all still play till the end.

No doubt, some people do have good luck with this, and bad luck with that.

I have 10 DVD burners (4 A05, 4 LF-D311, 1 A03, 1 SD-R5112) and Ritek G03, G04 suck shit on all of them as do Princo and Lead Data. Optodisc only burn good with the A05s and A03, won't even complete with the LF-D311s.

While other people claim Ritek media is golden, and Optodisc is said to be pretty good. My experiences tell me otherwise.

I stand by my word that Ritek media is shit, but I won't knock you if you say it's great. Know what I'm getting at?

Can't say anything about CMC media beside their CD media, which is pretty much crap.

If it works for you great. If not, try another. As long as your error reports and sector scans look good to you on your equiptment, then you're in good shape.

[Thorn]

The TDKG02 are good. All I know.

Can't quite agree with you on that - I got two batches of branded TDKG02 that *all* failed to burn at 2x. 1x was ok. However, the unbranded TDKG02 batch that I got all burned happily at 2x. And considering the horror I felt when I got my first TDK CDR spindle made by CMC after all those years of TDK brand=made by TDK... I guess it's time to toss TDK - their old rock-solid dependability has vanished. Your results may vary, of course.

[HyperYagami]

The TDKG02 are good. All I know.

I got two batches of branded TDKG02 that *all* failed to burn at 2x. 1x was ok. However, the unbranded TDKG02 batch that I got all burned happily at 2x.

I have consumed about 250 TDKG02s (all from spindles) and they're good with only 3 or 4 coasters, I guess you just had really bad luck.

btw what are "unbranded" TDKs?

[mudnut]

"I thought the whole purpose of a forum was to exchange ideas, information, and personal experiences based on actual work in the field."

and what do we call this? FACTS! Thank you!

I like my Memorex 4X+R's, they burn at 6X in my NEC2500

Picked up a few spindles of 25 pack TDK 4X+R's at BestBuy at $24.95/pack. They are sold out now though.

[offline]

It's not my fault the average consumer chintzed and went for lower price over higher quality. Just like the average consumer who goes with Princo instead of TY, or DVD+R instead of DVD-R.

Woah! Nothing against TY as I use them all the time for CDR
but those that bash Princo never seem to own a Pioneer 106.
I've burnt many brands, all grades and even damaged media
without a problem thus far. Out of all the media that has been
sent "outside" (friends, pro jobs etc) only 1 has come back and
another reported pixilation on his player.

YMMV of course, as well as my luck at being Mr "average consumer". I'm called an AC because I want to pay less money

I will be (mostly) offline until April 16th.

No relation and none wanted :P

[Faustus]

FulciLives speaks the truth, there is good reason why disc Made in Japan are good, also you have to realize that when you buy a brand Such as Fuji, or Maxell and they are not Made in Japan it usually means that either a) In the case of fuji they are not using TY, and even though you may luckout and Get Ricoh who wants to take the chance, or b) with maxell your not getting actual Maxell disc but perhaps you will get lucky and it will be Ritek, but maybe it will be CMC and you now have a big stack of hassle.

So with some brands you buy if it says made in a Japan and do not if it says something else.

heck I still only buy Fuji CD-R! if they say Made in Japan.