Can I backup a dvd backup?

[Baldrick]

Yes, and you don't have to rip the DVD again. Use your favorite dvd burning tool and make a dvd copy. If it wont work try another dvd burning tool, https://www.videohelp.com/tools?section=16#16 . And if it doesn't work either test so you can copy the entire DVD±R/W to your hd or test the DVD±R/W with DVDInfopro or Nero CD-DVD speed(you may have a bad DVD±R/W copy).

[chipy66]

what about making a copy of a copy after using DVDxcopy to make the first copy? it seems like you can only make 2 copies?
any way around this?? ive tried with roxio and nero and it hasnt worked

[jimmalenko]

what about making a copy of a copy after using DVDxcopy to make the first copy? it seems like you can only make 2 copies?
any way around this?? ive tried with roxio and nero and it hasnt worked

Why not just make another copy of the original ? You do still have the original don't you ?

[chipy66]

yeah last resort

that just takes like 90 minutes as opposed to copying which takes 15-20 min.

so its a convienence thing. Plus if anything ever happens to the original or its lost.

[jimmalenko]

You really should only be making a backup copy if your first copy gets lost or scratched, etc. The idea of Fair Use is that you keep the original in a safe place so that any damage you do is to your legal 1 backup copy. The chances then are that if your backup gets damaged, you have the original in pristine condition from which to make a backup from.

[holistic]

Why not just make another copy of the original ? You do still have the original don't you ?

Well that's a novel ideal. . Must have been one of those intenet based mpeg4 versions. :P

1. Make a folder on the harddrive.
2. Copy contents of DVD-/+R VIDEO_TS folder to harddrive folder.
3. Start favourite DVD burning application.........
4. If you don't know what comes next , then just give it up.

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[chipy66]

i was trying things out and i couldnt copy the contents of the dvd to my hard drive either....weird

[Jaffa]

If i understand u right, u have a dvdr which has been ripped and re-encoded from an original.

Use dvd decrypter in iso mode to read the dvdr, this will store on yr hd, then change the mode to iso write, select the file from yr hd and it will burn onto a blank.

[Cecilio]

you can always use ISOBUSTER to make an image of the dvd disk. then you should have the original contents on your hard drive, now using nero burn as Image and that should work. If that doesn't work i don't know what will

[Doramius]

I saw mention of DVD X Copy earlier. All of 321 studios software has worked fine for people when they have used it correctly or have the latest updates from www.321studios.com
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Nero works pretty well too, but if you're having problems with consistency by burning a copy of a copy, make sure you're using the same decrypter tool for all the burns, even if it is already decrypted. You shouldn't have to have a decrypter tool run the disc if it's already a decrypted burn, but I've found it has helped.(Go Figure)
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I use DVD43 which runs in the background, though I have found DVD Decrypter works great too. By using DVD43 I know from experience that you can make a good copy from a copy after 4 generations of burns. This doesn't mean 4 burn copies from the same copy. I mean Copy of a copy, of a copy, of a copy, of an original. DO NOT TRY IT WITH VIDEO GAMES. The systems get tempermental after reading copies of copies and get much hotter. Some PS2's have fried their chips. It's best only to use copies of originals when copying video games.
-It is also suggested to make copies of your originals only to prevent minor data loss. Think of a fax of a fax, of a fax. It's quality definitely starts lacking down the road even if you have the best connection and quality machines.

[lordsmurf]

Once again , I don't what you're going on and on about.

Data on optical CD/DVD media is digital info. It's just 1's and 0's. The 1ST copy and the 1-MILLIONTH copy will look the same.

The only catch is to NOT use crappy media.

What you refer to was an analog generational loss, something not a problem in the new digital age.

PS2 won't fry chips from playing copies of copies... that's some major bullcrap.

321 Studios adds crap to the DVD that prevents 321 Studios software from copying it again (has zero effect on other copy methods). This is why DVDXCOPY is landfill quality software.

[Madz]

I've never had a reason to copy a copy. But I could see making one copy for home use and later making another for my portable or mobile player (on the proviso that it plays DVD±R) that I'd slip into a CD wallet or case. If my original was a DVD9 that was "Shrinked", then I'd find it quicker to simply rip the copy and burn another.

[Doramius]

I don't know what Lordsmurf is talking about, but he's a smidge off. Digital IS all 1s and 0s, but if lordsmurf is correct about the technology, then the different media would have nothing to do with it.

[gitreel]

what he is saying Doramius, is that if you use crappy media you might not be able to copy it the next time. think......

[Doramius]

but he said it's digital. According to what he's saying, the 1s and 0s are copied exactly like the original. If all players read all media exactly like the original, then crappy media could not have a problem, because the player can read it exactly as the original wether it's the first or the millionth copy. Each type of media uses different dyes. Each companies DVD Players brands and models have small variations of the laser type, strenth and how it works all together. There are just basic similarities to be compatible for regular store bought DVDs. Store bought DVDs are made or pressed. The DVD Player is maded to read them. DVDR are burned. Some lasers cannot read through certain dyes or misinterpret the information. Though an exact clone may have been burned of an original, each time you reburn, the quality is lessened. Some of the 1s and 0s are not correctly transferred and the system won't skip the signal as if you had a minute scratch or skip in the disc. Those minor skips, if there is enough of them, can cause a processor to work a little harder and get hotter. I've used DVD X Copy to burn copies, of copies along with other software brands. DVD X Copy throws in some sort of protection that can also be removed, so you can make copies of copies with that software, just like NERO, ROXIO, Pinacle, etc. DVD X Copy software is one touch and cuts out a lot of the extra steps everyone else is finagling with. I don't feel like wasting time if I'm going to back up my collection of DVDs and VHS. I know that PS2s get hotter with different discs as I have had 2 previous to the one I have now, one of which I had to RMA. I also have many friends and co-workers that have had the same problem. Older DVD Players get hotter too. Get your own optical heat meter and check it for yourself. You are really just burning an clone of what your system read off the previous disc. If it's the original disc, you'r first clone is going to be burned exactly as the original disc was read. But your burned disc has dyes, so when it is read, it will not be read exactly like the original and therefore a clone of a clone will not be burned and show exactly like the original. You want me to go into my Electronics and genetics notes of 6 years of study?

[gitreel]

ok, but I used to run my own photo lab. This is not generational degeneration. Yes it is all ones and zeroes, but if it is a sucky disk, your player might not read it. It happens to me all the time, because I buy cheap discs. I make the original copy and then cannot make another because the disc cannot be read. Sometimes it will stutter, sometimes it will just freeze completely. Why on earth would you want to make a fax from a fax. Ink bleeds and smears, and eventually cannot be read.

[Doramius]

You just proved my point. All discs that are MADE or PRESSED are made the same. Burn media is not always made the same when you go from company to company. You don't want to make a fax from a fax, because the quality drops. Again, the first close will be burned identically to the original, because the burner doesn't care what it's burning to. it sends the exact information it receives. When the DVDR media is played, it's going to be read differently, because the material and it's creation is not identical to the original. As time passes, or if you use a different media burning from clone to clone, the information gets to a point where it's like you had horrible scratches on the disc, or your player can't read certain dyes. (thus the reason for ±R & RAM medias)

[gitreel]

All discs that are MADE or PRESSED are made the same.,

Uh no.....Some have mastering errors. I have had a couple that were brand new and couldn't be copied....

Please let this go, you are making a fool out of yourself. I have learned the hard way about when to let things go because I was torn to shreds in the forums. Then I would lose my temper, and would have to apologize to the people later. Never burn bridges

[Doramius]

you're burning yourself right here. Mastering errors are errors. I'm not going to go into manufacturing process for you. The whole point is, clone of a clone has degredation. On top of that, your copies should just be of the master so you can store your master in a protected area. If it's a personal make up of a disc you want to send to friends and family, the same scenario follows. This site is not set up for making illegal copies.

[gitreel]

what the he-double hockeysticks are you talking about? Digital info does not degrade. A 1 is a 1. A 0 is a 0. You need to learn to separate analog from digital. Didital does not degrade. I was just stating that even pressed discs are not perfect. They are not all the same. The files can be regenerated without any degredation. It is the disc that matters. I tried to be nice but you claim to be a master of something you know nothing about. You are clueless.

That is what lordsmurf was trying to say. The disc if crappy, will be an impediment. The file stays the same. I am glad you are the master of everything. I bow to your knowledge. Let me tell you something(nobody knows everything, so quit trying. Oh by the way I do all of my videowork on a 800 megahertz duron system that I built. I even burn dvd's on it. I remember the other thread you did that said you need at least a 2 gig processor. You are wrong again.

[gitreel]

wow he is silent

[lordsmurf]

Quite simple Doramius. It's ALL ONE's and ZERO's. If you fail to get all the 1's and 0's, by using a bad disc, then the copy is bad. Any disc, pressed or not, can get this. That is not a effect of the process, but rather an effect of your cheapo media. If you use good discs that will burn all the 1's and 0's, then the original and the copy will be identical (DeCSS, Region Info, and shrinking aside). In pressed media, it's called "disc rot" and it's the process of deterioration of the alloys found in the pressed disc (things not present in dye-based media, therefore disc rot does not apply to dye media). On burned media, it's a bad burn, for any number of reasons found on www.nomorecoasters.com .. so again, whether it's the first or millionth copy, it will look the same, as long as good media is used.

I have an AMD K6-II with 128MB SDRAM and 2GB HD that burns DVD's on-the-fly perfectly, drives are on an UltraATA/100 card. You DEFINITELY do not require a P4 2Ghz. None of my PC's are 2Ghz for that matter.

In the analog world, this was like having VCR heads out of alignment. Or the tape snapping in half. We're not talking about image quality. We're talking about hardware and reliability. Better VCR, better tape, better blank DVDs.

[Doramius]

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Now you guys have made total fool of yourselves. I am a digital electronics engineer of 28 years.
-I know 1 and 0's are recorded as one's and zero's. DUH!! I haven't said the discs didn't record 1's and 0's. Media errors are usually fixed as soon as they are noticed, so very few errors on a certain brand of media should make it to the consumer. There are a few times you can call the manufacturer to have the same media sent to you if you suspect error or if you have a bad store bought movie, exchange it.
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The degredation comes from the fact that certain lasers don't read through the dyes properly and it may miss a 1 or a 0 here and there. This would be interpreted by your player as a very very minor scratch. So your first clone of a clone will start to have imperfections. Not all of the lasers are the same color, strength, intensity, or run at the same voltage. They will read the store bought movies, identically, because the player (even your PCs Opt. Drive) because that is what it's intended media usage is. Unless your DVD Player states it is supposed to play DVD±R media, you're only fudging with a disc to make it seem to your player as if it were the original.
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If you lightly scratch your disc, your player will, try to interpret it as a series of 1s and 0s. Then you may get pixelation, or if the scratch is big enough you Player might not read it at all. The same effect happens when your laser doesn't read through the dyes properly. If it can't read a 1 or a 0, it will interpret it as if it were trying to read a scratch on the disc. Different medias uses different dyes. So if your players & drives aren't reading the DVDR media properly, get a different brand. I'm sure if the media didn't work at all, it wouldn't be sold.
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Funny, I don't see analog interpret information in any of this. Let me know when you're grabbing your ankles so I can kick your A**es.

[andyp1]

[Doramius]

I hear them. If they spent as much time paying attention to detail as they do their video games, they might be ready for leaving the crib.

[gitreel]

they are all red... once again you are wrong.

[gitreel]

Last time I checked, a red laser does not change color

[gitreel]

Posted: May 12, 2004 06:36
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Now you guys have made total fool of yourselves. I am a digital electronics engineer of 28 years.

You may be an engineer, but you are truely clueless. If proper media, like lordsmurf said, the 1 millionth copy will be the same as the first. You also do not need a 2 gig pentium 4 to burn dvd's. I am sill waiting for you ignorant reply to that one. Could we have an indolikaa special please?

[Doramius]

not all players use ruby lasers and there are other factors involved, especially with burn units. There are more than one types of laser, you do know that, right. Do you even know what LASER stands for. you probably didn't even know it was an acronym, if you even know what that means.

[Matteo693]

Do you even know what LASER stands for.

something about STIMULATED EMISSION...??